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Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 21 2013 22:38 GMT
#2261
(For what it's worth, I think Chrom was very townie this game. That dude hunted like a mothertrucker.)
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 21 2013 22:42 GMT
#2262
For me now, scum-hunting is not looking at actions but at motivations. It's not hard for scum to act like town, but it's really hard for scum to make their motivations appear to be town. For example, my motivation on D1 was to keep Gotard alive while letting the wagon backed by Stim and Chrom win. I backed myself into a corner though, where I could not save Gotard D2.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 21 2013 22:47 GMT
#2263
A good example Sponge:

My motivation for attacking you at the start of D2 was because you knew scum shot Rainbows, therefore you might be the SK. I did not really back off until I thought that you were blue.
Nightcat99
Profile Joined December 2010
United States239 Posts
July 21 2013 22:50 GMT
#2264
I think xzavier could have survived the day 3 lynch if he fought harder, then it would be hard for me to lose.

cause i know umasi is on the fence and i am diffidently backing him.

also i think i would have survived a LYLO against super or slam.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 21 2013 22:52 GMT
#2265
Xzavier did not put enough time in, though.

If I could of told him what to say D3 then I think I could of gotten him out of it, but he had no confidence to try himself so he just played league of legends.
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 21 2013 22:52 GMT
#2266
On July 22 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote:
At the point of my death, I had Super as Cop (with a N1 guilty check on Xzav), Sponge as JK and Umasi as SK. I also had Rainbows as Vet on D1.


Yeah, if you look through my filter knowing who's who you could interpret my posts as fake soft-claiming cop. I do this a decent amount because it can make mafia waste a kill on me instead of going after real cop. Didn't work out too much this game because I had so much pressure on me early.

Also, my first two and top scumreads were hzflank and xzavier. Too pro.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-21 22:56:21
July 21 2013 22:56 GMT
#2267
I could not waste a kill on you though, because if you flipped Cop then someone would of read your filter and Xzav would of been lynched. I wanted you alive until you were pressured enough to claim cop during the day, then xzav would of counter claimed and traded 1-1. I did not mind losing Xzav after a mislynch on the Cop, but I did not want to lose him after night-killing the cop.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 21 2013 22:56 GMT
#2268
On July 22 2013 07:52 Superfluous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote:
At the point of my death, I had Super as Cop (with a N1 guilty check on Xzav), Sponge as JK and Umasi as SK. I also had Rainbows as Vet on D1.


Yeah, if you look through my filter knowing who's who you could interpret my posts as fake soft-claiming cop. I do this a decent amount because it can make mafia waste a kill on me instead of going after real cop. Didn't work out too much this game because I had so much pressure on me early.

Also, my first two and top scumreads were hzflank and xzavier. Too pro.


If I had interpreted your soft-claim, I would have hard claimed and pushed for your lynch. Which would have ended up with both of us dead.
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 21 2013 23:01 GMT
#2269
On July 22 2013 07:56 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 07:52 Superfluous wrote:
On July 22 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote:
At the point of my death, I had Super as Cop (with a N1 guilty check on Xzav), Sponge as JK and Umasi as SK. I also had Rainbows as Vet on D1.


Yeah, if you look through my filter knowing who's who you could interpret my posts as fake soft-claiming cop. I do this a decent amount because it can make mafia waste a kill on me instead of going after real cop. Didn't work out too much this game because I had so much pressure on me early.

Also, my first two and top scumreads were hzflank and xzavier. Too pro.


If I had interpreted your soft-claim, I would have hard claimed and pushed for your lynch. Which would have ended up with both of us dead.


Thinking about it more, I wouldn't call it soft claim. It's more giving out a fake read I guess. Mafia is looking for cop and trying to get a read on them. I didn't soft claim so much as talk about cop a lot and the importance of cop. I don't think I ever did something as blatant as when alak soft claimed jailer.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 21 2013 23:05 GMT
#2270
On July 16 2013 10:07 Superfluous wrote:
Ignore last comment, forgot role is revealed on death so we could just go off reads if they die prematurely.


On July 16 2013 10:20 Superfluous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2013 10:00 Xzavier wrote:
well shit 2 of my 3 top scumreads just died, leaving 1 alone at the top:

sup super.

##VOTE SUPERFLUOUS

this will be removed once you start some LIGIT scumhunting none of that "vote for one guy, make a case on another guy" bullshits okay?

if i dont think youve done an adequate job/you look more scummy as the day goes on expect this to stay, and a case to be made along with it.


I get the feeling you barely even know what you are saying. It's like you see when other people raise criticisms of me then copy them exactly. Also, it feels SO SCUMMY that you and Umasi are so quick to vote an hour into the day. Don't forget that after the jkirby lynch a decent amount of town said that they felt it was too easy and a town-town lynch, including rainbows who is dead and proved town.

I'd also like to go back on what I said about umasi. Generally I feel it is a good, pro-town move to put pressure on people and get info from them. On day one he pushed me and jrkirby and it didn't work out. Now that's not the worst thing in the world, but then that he immediately goes back and puts pressure on me instead of forcing info/ reads from other people which is much more productive. It's fine that I'm his biggest scum read and he wants to vote for me, but why the rush to vote? It doesn't make him scum, but I don't feel he's clearly town anymore.


On July 18 2013 07:37 Superfluous wrote:
Hey guys sorry I've been missing, been sick the last few days and mafia hasn't really taken priority. Regardless I'm back and surprised that I am somehow not the main lynch target. I think Gotard is a good lynch and would like to honor kirby's last reads. That said I find it strange how no one is defending him too too much, though if he's maf it may just be that his teammates felt town would really push his lynch and they didn't want to defend him only for him to turn red.

Other thoughts: Gut still says something's up with Xzavier, but with the revelation of sk it could be that and not necessarily maf.

I agree with Onegu's case against Hurricane, though don't really have much to add to it. I realize it's kinda scummy to show up and just agree with the closest we have to proven but eh.

I feel like Chroma has been playing completely differently day 2 than day 1. Now, maybe that's because he spent the first day defending me and had less to do today, but it feels weird how his main reason for defending me and calling me town was just to lynch kirby. Also keep in mind that while I think Maf killed Rainbows and not Koshi, Koshi WAS going really hard on Chroma for defending me. One line sticks out in my head, Koshi said that considering how hard Chroma was defending me it was almost as if he knew I was town. Something to keep in mind.

I also feel like Umashi has done very little for town on day 2. Day 1 he was putting out pressure and trying to accomplish something, and it doesn't feel the same today. Now, he has ceded this roll to Onegu as he is pretty much confirmed yet hasn't done much himself. (Correct me if you feel I'm terribly wrong, this is just from skimming over and trying to post my thoughts before lynch). I also thought he was the obvious kill for mafia n1 if he was doing a good job of leading town.
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
July 21 2013 23:10 GMT
#2271
On July 22 2013 07:50 Nightcat99 wrote:
I think xzavier could have survived the day 3 lynch if he fought harder, then it would be hard for me to lose.

cause i know umasi is on the fence and i am diffidently backing him.

also i think i would have survived a LYLO against super or slam.


i just want to point out taht i played League of legends when i got home from work 2 hours before the deadline, because i knew there was no way for me to clear myself and even if i did there would be no other wagon so they would lynch me anyway. If i woulda been active the day before though i think i might have been able to survive, and i was for an extent, but the case against me was build when i went to sleep and i tried responding to it at work but i was pretty fucking dead :/

if i coulda like been there to talk back i think i coulda survived the day3 lynch, but i was pretty unmotivated when the case was built against me at work, i kind accepted my death.
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Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 21 2013 23:12 GMT
#2272
That was all reads, not even me trying to soft claim LOL. That thought was furthest from my mind there Shout out to the coach who said stay with your gut, it's the best place for reads to come from. I think I said in in game, but my. reads are based on my gut and how I interpret the tone in someone's writing. If I had positive read on someone and was cop I would've claimed. I would've highly doubted there would be miller in a game with sk. (Was there one? Someone was talking about earlier in the thread and I couldn't find it.)
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 21 2013 23:21 GMT
#2273
That looks a lot like a soft-claim to me :/

No Miller, just a Framer.

I disagree with you going by your gut. Your D1 read on me was luck imo, as there was no way to have a solid scum read on me that early.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 21 2013 23:48 GMT
#2274
On July 22 2013 08:21 hzflank wrote:
That looks a lot like a soft-claim to me :/

No Miller, just a Framer.

I disagree with you going by your gut. Your D1 read on me was luck imo, as there was no way to have a solid scum read on me that early.

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
July 22 2013 06:33 GMT
#2275
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422313

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jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 22 2013 19:34 GMT
#2276
Were there any blues except cop and JK?

Also, everyone who I personally accused of being scum was scum: both hzflank and gotard. Major points for me?
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 22 2013 19:59 GMT
#2277
On July 23 2013 04:34 jrkirby wrote:
Were there any blues except cop and JK?

Also, everyone who I personally accused of being scum was scum: both hzflank and gotard. Major points for me?


Umasi sounded like he got vet in post-game:

On July 22 2013 05:45 Umasi wrote:
dw Nightcat
just be like me
roll vet
never be threatening, always wrong, kinda scummy but pretty townie>never get shot

Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 23 2013 02:02 GMT
#2278
On July 22 2013 07:15 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
In other words, it was not the Aqua fake pressure play I used in XLIII to stay alive. Onegu's ridiculous read on me was enough for that (although I guess it didn't end up making much of a difference in the end. I was still the second guy NK'd)


Would like a vet to weigh in on this please, was I way off? I saw FirmTofu also said hurricane was scum in obs chat.
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StiMaDDict
Profile Joined May 2013
Korea (South)313 Posts
July 23 2013 03:11 GMT
#2279
GG yall. Just got back from the land of no internet. Still have to read the thread and see what happened. Won 3 games as town so far (mostly luck, I swear).

PS - @Onegu: did you have a hard time because of me?
동해 물과 백두산이 마르고 닳도록 하느님이 보우하사 우리나라 만세. 무궁화 삼천리 화려강산 대한 사람, 대한으로 길이 보전하세.
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 23 2013 03:14 GMT
#2280
I know that feeling, StiM.
get carried for days
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
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