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Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 18 2013 07:20 GMT
#2021
On July 18 2013 16:11 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 16:01 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:57 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:52 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:19 Alakaslam wrote:
Hence you don't block your scumreads if you are jailer, unless there are two which we don't know yet.


So your opinion on Chrom was changed toward Town because you thought it's possible that the town jailor jailed him?

Think.

Does scum RB scum? No. Therefore.

Massive building. Why massive building. Are you scum.


You know that a jailor doesn't have special information that guarantees the person he jails is Town, right? Just because he thinks Chrom is town, your read shouldn't have been effected. Walk me through this.

But what if he was RB by scum.

This isn't my favorite topic at night.


So you're saying you automatically assumed that he was RB by scum. You didn't consider that he could have been jailed?
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 18 2013 07:23 GMT
#2022
On July 18 2013 16:20 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 16:11 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 18 2013 16:01 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:57 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:52 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
On July 18 2013 15:19 Alakaslam wrote:
Hence you don't block your scumreads if you are jailer, unless there are two which we don't know yet.


So your opinion on Chrom was changed toward Town because you thought it's possible that the town jailor jailed him?

Think.

Does scum RB scum? No. Therefore.

Massive building. Why massive building. Are you scum.


You know that a jailor doesn't have special information that guarantees the person he jails is Town, right? Just because he thinks Chrom is town, your read shouldn't have been effected. Walk me through this.

But what if he was RB by scum.

This isn't my favorite topic at night.


So you're saying you automatically assumed that he was RB by scum. You didn't consider that he could have been jailed?

I did consider this. If he was jailed, he is still someone's townread. Or not. It is still a hint at town and I did not have time to follow this whole train of thought before I posted.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 18 2013 07:24 GMT
#2023
Only a large part of it, that comes quickly.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 18 2013 07:24 GMT
#2024
So your opinion on him shifted to town because someone else (the theoretical jailor) thought he was town. Alright, thank you.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 18 2013 07:27 GMT
#2025
On July 18 2013 16:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
So your opinion on him shifted to town because someone else (the theoretical jailor) thought he was town. Alright, thank you.

Let me clarify: no. It hinted, did not sway me yet. That was later things.

Massive
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Building
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 18 2013 07:28 GMT
#2026
Remember. My reaction was simply "Shit"
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 18 2013 07:31 GMT
#2027
Goodnight. If hurricane makes a case right after I am gone, do not forget it! It won't be 100% scummy, but do not forget it!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 18 2013 07:45 GMT
#2028
Thanks, Alakaslam. I appreciate you staying up late with me.

Please let me know when you're online tomorrow. I very much need to talk to you, but it needs to be close to the deadline.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 18 2013 07:50 GMT
#2029
EBWOP: That goes for everyone. Please have your Last Will-style posts ready to go at the deadline. We were bad about that Night 1, and there's really no excuse not to post reads in event of untimely death.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 18 2013 08:08 GMT
#2030
(My FoS is off 'slam until I get additional information)
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 18 2013 15:37 GMT
#2031
Back, only for 20 mins checking sporadically as I get ready for work
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 18 2013 15:39 GMT
#2032
On July 18 2013 17:08 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
(My FoS is off 'slam until I get additional information)

Night
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 18 2013 16:10 GMT
#2033
Still here for about 20 more actually
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 18 2013 17:13 GMT
#2034
On July 18 2013 04:55 Gotard wrote:
What's the point of lynching Superfluous right now? Since he's gone there's no discussion around him. his case was closed after first day. He can only hope that people will think that day one was town-town lynch which is the case.


I'm struggling with this comment. Gotard threw this out right before he was lynched. His death looked inevitable to me, although I suppose he could have thought there were going to be shenanigans at the deadline. The takeaways from this comment's inconsistency with his recent read of Superfluous being a scum read break down into a 2x2 grid: The two variables are Super is Scum / Super is Town, and Gotard Thought He Could Live / Gotard Knew He Was Dead. Matrix below:

-------------------------
Super is Scum / Gotard Thinks He Can Live:

1.) Gotard thinks he can live; he and Super are scum. Throws out a new Town read on Super as protection instinct. Solo votes Nightcat.

Super is Scum / Gotard Knows He Will Die:

2.) Gotard knows he's going to die; thinks giving Super a Town read on a scumbuddy is a good play for some reason (help with this please?).

Super is Town / Gotard Knows He Will Die:

2.) Gotard knows he's going to die (and flip red) and is trying to mindrape us into thinking Super is his scumbuddy by creating this new association so close to his flip. (Is it too sophisticated a play to assume from Gotard?)

Super is Town / Gotard Thinks He Can Live:

4.) Gotard thinks he can live; he knows Super is town. (I cannot come up with a plausible explanation for his comment.)

-------------------

Now, we obviously can't rule anything out based on Super's alignment (because we don't know it!) right now, but we might be able to speculate on whether we think / can find evidence of whether Gotard knew he was doomed last night or if he thought he could somehow avoid the day's lynch.

At first blush, I feel like Gotard didn't realize how much of a slam dunk lynch he was. He was still throwing out passive accusations, and (sort of) playing the game. There were no martyr posts, no attempt to defend the accusations against him, and he may not have realized just how much trouble he was in. The last post that I'd call a 'defense' came timestamped July 17th, 20:11. When he posted it, there were only 3 votes on him. Once the hz, 'slam, Gotard and Nightcat votes come in on him (early timestamp July 18th 1:12 - 4:00) Gotard doesn't post another formal defense for the rest of the game.

I know that play this poor this may seem hard to believe to some of us, but based on the quality of Gotard's play to this point, I believe it's possible he didn't know how super screwed he was. His last post comes 2.5 hours before Superfluous' vote on him, so it's possible that with Super gone from the mafia QT for most of Day 2, Gotard was flying solo or at least down a man when he was posting.

I'd like people's thoughts on this line of thinking. Did it seem to you like Gotard knew he'd be lynched yesterday?
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
July 18 2013 17:31 GMT
#2035
Reminder: Night 2 ends in ~ 6,5 hours. Please remember to submit all night actions to both Blazinghand and me before the deadline.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 18 2013 17:38 GMT
#2036
Gotard was almost certainly dead by the time he returned to the thread. Sponge was never going to happen, people talked about Super but it wasn't gaining momentum. Anything he said after that point is pure wifom. It's useless to analyze why he did it because he knew that it would be analyzed when he flipped.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 18 2013 17:49 GMT
#2037
On July 18 2013 15:33 Alakaslam wrote:
By the way, I did something stupid.

Here are my reads:

Super: people have made fair accusations of lurking in a way I don't like. Wouldn't facepalm if he gets lynched next day.
Nightcat: very, very new. Save for later.
Chrom: totes town. Don't sheep him.

Hurricane: forming. He is making me lean town with this exchange.
Onegu: totes town. He is bamcis, let him put the pressure on.
Umasi: town.

Anyone not on this list may or may not be scummy. They aren't prominent enough to come to mind, which is right where scum wants to be, and right where passive town usually wind up. When I finish this exchange with hurricane, I may have a full day at work after sleep and be unable to post until day. So I know this isn't ideal, but at least it is.

Wish I wasn't such a fool.


There are 9 players left in the game and it is the night phase. Why do you give 5 town reads, 1 weak scum read and then passively FoS the other 2 players?

If there are things that you do not like about me then this is the time to explore them, as opposed to just giving your town reads.
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 18 2013 18:25 GMT
#2038
On July 19 2013 02:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:55 Gotard wrote:
What's the point of lynching Superfluous right now? Since he's gone there's no discussion around him. his case was closed after first day. He can only hope that people will think that day one was town-town lynch which is the case.


I'm struggling with this comment. Gotard threw this out right before he was lynched. His death looked inevitable to me, although I suppose he could have thought there were going to be shenanigans at the deadline. The takeaways from this comment's inconsistency with his recent read of Superfluous being a scum read break down into a 2x2 grid: The two variables are Super is Scum / Super is Town, and Gotard Thought He Could Live / Gotard Knew He Was Dead. Matrix below:

-------------------------
Super is Scum / Gotard Thinks He Can Live:

1.) Gotard thinks he can live; he and Super are scum. Throws out a new Town read on Super as protection instinct. Solo votes Nightcat.

Super is Scum / Gotard Knows He Will Die:

2.) Gotard knows he's going to die; thinks giving Super a Town read on a scumbuddy is a good play for some reason (help with this please?).

Super is Town / Gotard Knows He Will Die:

3.) Gotard knows he's going to die (and flip red) and is trying to mindrape us into thinking Super is his scumbuddy by creating this new association so close to his flip. (Is it too sophisticated a play to assume from Gotard?)

Super is Town / Gotard Thinks He Can Live:

4.) Gotard thinks he can live; he knows Super is town. (I cannot come up with a plausible explanation for his comment.)

-------------------

Now, we obviously can't rule anything out based on Super's alignment (because we don't know it!) right now, but we might be able to speculate on whether we think / can find evidence of whether Gotard knew he was doomed last night or if he thought he could somehow avoid the day's lynch.

At first blush, I feel like Gotard didn't realize how much of a slam dunk lynch he was. He was still throwing out passive accusations, and (sort of) playing the game. There were no martyr posts, no attempt to defend the accusations against him, and he may not have realized just how much trouble he was in. The last post that I'd call a 'defense' came timestamped July 17th, 20:11. When he posted it, there were only 3 votes on him. Once the hz, 'slam, Gotard and Nightcat votes come in on him (early timestamp July 18th 1:12 - 4:00) Gotard doesn't post another formal defense for the rest of the game.

I know that play this poor this may seem hard to believe to some of us, but based on the quality of Gotard's play to this point, I believe it's possible he didn't know how super screwed he was. His last post comes 2.5 hours before Superfluous' vote on him, so it's possible that with Super gone from the mafia QT for most of Day 2, Gotard was flying solo or at least down a man when he was posting.

I'd like people's thoughts on this line of thinking. Did it seem to you like Gotard knew he'd be lynched yesterday?


I know it's somewhat moot to point this out, but as I am town I believe #3 (fixed for you since you listed 2 twice lol) is the most likely scenario. Maybe Gotard wasn't that strong of a player, but that doesn't mean his mafia buddies couldn't tell him to give a town read on me in order to get me lynched. If he really thought he could live, the best way to do so would've been to convince town I was more scummy than he was, which he didn't even try to do. Now if we were both maf and one of us were definitely gonna get lynched it would make sense he wouldn't switch onto me. However as maf I would be furious he put me as town read/ told him not to do that.

I'd also like to point out that both Umashi and Xzavier immediately voted for me on day 2, when the town as a whole seemed somewhat more inclined to vote for Gotard than for me, which we did.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 18 2013 18:27 GMT
#2039
On July 19 2013 02:49 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 15:33 Alakaslam wrote:
By the way, I did something stupid.

Here are my reads:

Super: people have made fair accusations of lurking in a way I don't like. Wouldn't facepalm if he gets lynched next day.
Nightcat: very, very new. Save for later.
Chrom: totes town. Don't sheep him.

Hurricane: forming. He is making me lean town with this exchange.
Onegu: totes town. He is bamcis, let him put the pressure on.
Umasi: town.

Anyone not on this list may or may not be scummy. They aren't prominent enough to come to mind, which is right where scum wants to be, and right where passive town usually wind up. When I finish this exchange with hurricane, I may have a full day at work after sleep and be unable to post until day. So I know this isn't ideal, but at least it is.

Wish I wasn't such a fool.


There are 9 players left in the game and it is the night phase. Why do you give 5 town reads, 1 weak scum read and then passively FoS the other 2 players?

If there are things that you do not like about me then this is the time to explore them, as opposed to just giving your town reads.


I felt the exact same way, was gonna post same thing. Would you consider those not on this list scum reads through process of elimination?
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 18 2013 19:06 GMT
#2040
Gotards posts should be considered pure wifom imo

I'd also like to point out that both Umashi and Xzavier immediately voted for me on day 2, when the town as a whole seemed somewhat more inclined to vote for Gotard than for me, which we did.


What are you trying to communicate here? You're pretty vague.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
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