Basterd Mini Mafia - Page 8

On July 03 2013 19:40 Vivax wrote:
Town marv pushes his lynches a lot, and he talks with his scumreads a lot. This isn't town marv, pretty easy to tell.

On July 03 2013 19:54 Vivax wrote:
I am exaggerating by saying he didn't have any scumreads though.
What I want to say is that he didn't show much conviction in pushing them.

Those people he claimed looked "bad" were fuba, s0lstice, gumshoe and to a lesser extent JJ.

fuba claimed survivor.
gumshoe claimed blue.
s0lstice joined the massclaim quickly.
JJ was the first to claim his name.

I am (totally not unbiased ) assuming that these guys are all mislynches.

On July 03 2013 05:55 marvellosity wrote:




How is this 'playing it down' or 'weakly resisting'? It's discussing various facets? I randomly brought it up in the thread myself because I was musing on it. Given practically everyone hitherto had accepted the claim, what the crap do you think I was trying to achieve?




I literally can't tell which of the two of you are worse. I didn't claim because rayn asked me to, I claimed because I will *always* claim self-aware miller if that's the role I receive, because I consider it best play in all circumstances. 'The way he has acted since returning'? You better back up this shit, otherwise it's just crap-flinging. There's nothing else to say about a miller-claim other than 'i'm miller'.

On July 03 2013 06:18 marvellosity wrote:
45 minutes. Ok all caught up.

Don't think rayn is making a big play, I think he's got it into his head that scum decided to fakeclaim two roles for giggles and that makes both me and Lazer scum. whatever. rayn is right on the cusp of standard of player where he's pushing my credulity in pushing this, but in the end he's not sandroba so maybe I can let it slide.

WoS looks pretty bad to me for passively encouraging this and general shit-flingyness. Do not like.

Not sure about JarJar for jumping on the retardedness and jumping off later. Can't tell if he was town getting caught up or mafia realising a bad thing and getting off it at the right time. Still gonna guess from the claim he's town I guess.

s0lstice is absent and still hasn't explained his vote on fuba, scummy I think.

fuba mysteriously ignored my questions to him, and that makes me suspicious. I'm also suspicious of him for spending so much time thinking apparently and coming to a bad conclusion regarding the claims.

On July 03 2013 06:14 marvellosity wrote:


That's twice now I've caught you flinging shit at me without explaining why. I voted you short of time as a low-effort absent poster, which is practically the only reasonable continuation in my circumstances. I moved on to Vayne because he was even worse in that regard.

On July 03 2013 18:21 marvellosity wrote:

As I was lying in bed last night feeling pretty stoned and trying not to think about mafia, I decided that WoS has to die. I still feel the same today sober. One reason only: WoS claimed to shoot me last night. Now, shooting me is an exceptionally dull, stupid play. Thus, I am left with the choice: is WoS really really terrible at this game, or is he scum? I don't think (I don't hope) he's terrible.

P.S. for all you people saying Vivax wouldn't fakeclaim/waste a hit - he's twice shot his own team-mate as mafia. Just sayin' like.

##Vote: WaveofShadow

On July 03 2013 20:07 Vivax wrote:
I don't recall you genuinely wanting to lynch people for being stupid marv.

Your arguments are: WoS is scum cause of dull, stupid play. Okay.

On July 02 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:


Given I can think of at least one example you've played with Stutters before (LIX) and I know in that game it was brought up that Stutters does this as town all the time, why are you bringing this up here?

On July 03 2013 20:29 Lazermonkey wrote:
You don't seem to be even close to 101% sure that WoS is scum here. So why do you disagree?

On July 03 2013 20:47 Lazermonkey wrote:
Even then, if we wait untill night, we will get much more info from it. If he is lying then scum will have to shoot suboptimally and if he is town, scum will then have to decide to either hold a shot or just accept the fact that he is 100% confirmed town once there is 3 shots. And they can't roleblock him, because then I'll get to check someone. And if they shoot both of us, then congratz, you've just lost both of your most suspicious townies right away!

On July 03 2013 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
I've semi-checked out of this game already because there's a bunch of townies (with presumably a mafia or 2 sprinkled in) who seem to genuinely believe I'd fakeclaim miller in this setup, despite how outright retarded it is as a play. If that's the level of logic people are (not) using, then there's already zero hope.

It's beating a dead horse but with 8/9 townies and 12 townie roles, claiming miller is just insanity. And apart from that, the fact that there IS actually a miller with how the setup is presented is very high indeed. Lo and behold, it is me. For there not to be a miller, iGrok would have handpicked the roles to exclude the miller, or if it's RNG then the % chance there ISN'T a town miller is monumentally low (8 or 9 RNG attempts to get miller which is TWO of the 12 spots).

On July 03 2013 21:59 Vivax wrote:
Say hi to the list with the order of claims

• Lt. Aldo Raine - American Veteran Vivax 7
• Hans Landa - German Survivor Jailkeeper Fuba 12
• Sgt. Donny Donowitz - American Vigi WoS 11
• Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz - German Miller Marv 1
• Cpl. Wilhelm Wicki - American Parity C Lazer 3
• Pfc. Smithson Utivich - American Townie Rayn Dead- 6
• Pfc. Omar Ulmer - American Townie Stutters 9
• Pierre LaPadite - French Townie S0lstice 8
• Pfc. Hirschberg - American Townie Vayne Dead - 4
• Pfc. Andy Kagan - American Townie Oats 10
• Pfc. Michael Zimmerman - American Tow JJ 2
• Shoshanna - French Vengeful Townie Gumshoe 5

As we see, WoS HAD to claim Vigi, there was literally no other role he could have taken, and given that the order of this mass claim was shit cause we didn't let fuba and WoS claim first, it gave him an out.

This is how I currently think the game looks like:

Scum has 3 goons.
No cop
No miller
No vigi.

Just me, the veteran, and a vengeful townie.

Knowing that scum has no Hitler, marv decided that a cop was unlikely, and as I pointed out multiple times, miller claim isn't as risky as he's trying to put it. He fakeclaimed in a game facing odds of 40 % to be counterclaimed, hence we know he doesn't mind risks as scum like he tries to tell us in this game.

Lazer claimed cop 4 minutes before the presumed deadline. He was afraid of getting counterclaimed and hence did it only when there was little time left, so any counterclaim couldn't have the time to processed properly. Scum would also have known at this point that there was no miller, hence some more odds in their favour.

WoS claimed the only thing left, leaving us with all blues in the game, which is highly improbable. I feel gumshoe's claim was legit cause of timing (he didn't fear getting cc'd) and cause I didn't feel he was mostly townie in general, except I found him odd at one point for proposing a scum team theory I didn't share and found unlikely.

This is obviously something that looks almost paranoid, 3 scum with 3 fakeclaims. But I'm confident that lynching marv ALL of their play will fall apart, cause I'm confident that he won't flip miller, making Lazer's cop claim quite more suspicious, and WoS claim is suspicious in itself. The guy claims to have shot marv, I have yet to see him reflecting that intention during N1.

There is absolutely NOTHING in his filter that points towards him wanting to shoot marv.

Just follow me, lynch marv, and win the game. I already delayed scum victory by being so supertownie that scum shot me. You owe me this much.
These guys aren't afraid of bussing each other, they know the massclaim puts them into a bad spot, and only looking at their pla

On July 03 2013 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
I've semi-checked out of this game already because there's a bunch of townies (with presumably a mafia or 2 sprinkled in) who seem to genuinely believe I'd fakeclaim miller in this setup, despite how outright retarded it is as a play. If that's the level of logic people are (not) using, then there's already zero hope.

It's beating a dead horse but with 8/9 townies and 12 townie roles, claiming miller is just insanity. And apart from that, the fact that there IS actually a miller with how the setup is presented is very high indeed. Lo and behold, it is me. For there not to be a miller, iGrok would have handpicked the roles to exclude the miller, or if it's RNG then the % chance there ISN'T a town miller is monumentally low (8 or 9 RNG attempts to get miller which is TWO of the 12 spots).

On July 03 2013 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
I've semi-checked out of this game already because there's a bunch of townies (with presumably a mafia or 2 sprinkled in) who seem to genuinely believe I'd fakeclaim miller in this setup, despite how outright retarded it is as a play. If that's the level of logic people are (not) using, then there's already zero hope.

It's beating a dead horse but with 8/9 townies and 12 townie roles, claiming miller is just insanity. And apart from that, the fact that there IS actually a miller with how the setup is presented is very high indeed. Lo and behold, it is me. For there not to be a miller, iGrok would have handpicked the roles to exclude the miller, or if it's RNG then the % chance there ISN'T a town miller is monumentally low (8 or 9 RNG attempts to get miller which is TWO of the 12 spots).

On July 03 2013 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
I've semi-checked out of this game already because there's a bunch of townies (with presumably a mafia or 2 sprinkled in) who seem to genuinely believe I'd fakeclaim miller in this setup, despite how outright retarded it is as a play. If that's the level of logic people are (not) using, then there's already zero hope.

It's beating a dead horse but with 8/9 townies and 12 townie roles, claiming miller is just insanity. And apart from that, the fact that there IS actually a miller with how the setup is presented is very high indeed. Lo and behold, it is me. For there not to be a miller, iGrok would have handpicked the roles to exclude the miller, or if it's RNG then the % chance there ISN'T a town miller is monumentally low (8 or 9 RNG attempts to get miller which is TWO of the 12 spots).

On July 03 2013 22:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
WoS is not scum for being the last to claim.

Are you guys fucking kidding me?

On July 03 2013 22:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Yeah I'm suggesting lynching survivor. I'm suggesting fuba is scum and had no choice but claim the only non-red role left in the game.

On July 03 2013 22:54 Vivax wrote:
Oats seriously.

I'll hate you forever if you screw this up. And Rayn will hate you even more.
Use some fucking logic man, Marv, a strong town player, is alive after claiming miller, and Lazer, the cop, gets neither roleblocked nor killed.
The two guys pushing them, me and Rayn, get shot.
What do you think was scum thinking when they chose their targets? Renounce on killing two claim-confirmed "townies" to kill two other plyers who are supposedly on the wrong track?

We don't lynch outside of WoS/marv/Lazer today, I hope we can agree on this.