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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 04 2013 00:02 marvellosity wrote: But you believe that tonight they will abandon those traits and leave Vivax alive?All that tells me is that mafia are either stupid or egotistical. It's not clear which yet. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
Does it seem legit when he has to know that there has to be scum among the other claimers? He should have gumshoe and Lazer as scumreads. If he doesn't, he should tell us which vanilla name claims look suspicious to him. He's doing nothing of that, no analysis, only staying o nthe front page shitting up the thread. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 04 2013 00:04 JarJarDrinks wrote: But you believe that tonight they will abandon those traits and leave Vivax alive? Sigh. It would be the right play (imo). From my perspective I get shooting rayn to legitimise my lynch (and I think to legitimise WoS's claim). If we assume Vivax is telling the truth, then they really went all-out with this idea. The reason it's stupid or egotistical is that it's dumb to kill townies who have looney theories, when you could leave them alive and let them push them. OR it's egotistical for mafia to believe that doing so would work and they'd be able to push my lynch through regardless. It's why i'm skeptical of Vivax still, he's one of the players who might actually think like that as mafia. WoS is another. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 04 2013 00:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Marv, come on, tell me which vanilla townie claim is fake why don't you tell me? | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 04 2013 00:05 Vivax wrote: Does he actually say or imply this? Because like I said, we need to be 100% sure that we lynch correcty today or else we lose the game. Which means marv should be treating WoS as having flipped red already if he's voting for him.Marv doesn't have any other reads cause he said he needed to see WoS' flip first. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 04 2013 00:13 marvellosity wrote: I'm taking his claim at face value for now. He claimed blue early and wasn't CCd.JarJar, what do you think of gumshoe at the moment? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 04 2013 00:18 marvellosity wrote: Has he really been attacking you all that much? I guess I really didn't get that impression from him. But the fact that he votes WoS makes perfect sense because if he's blue, he has to be sure one of the other blues is lying and WoS is the most likely to be.What do you make of the fact that he attacked me consistently ('false' accusations, leading town to ruin, leading a purposeful mislynch, 'need to be held accountable') and ended up voting WoS? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 04 2013 00:33 JarJarDrinks wrote: Has he really been attacking you all that much? I guess I really didn't get that impression from him. But the fact that he votes WoS makes perfect sense because if he's blue, he has to be sure one of the other blues is lying and WoS is the most likely to be. So if you buy his claim/towniness, shouldn't you be voting with him? | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 04 2013 00:34 marvellosity wrote: Said this earlier:So if you buy his claim/towniness, shouldn't you be voting with him? On July 03 2013 22:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: But now after realizing the whole MYLO thing, I think the answer is obviously fuba.Not sure who's the better lynch between fuba and WoS. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 04 2013 00:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: Said this earlier:But now after realizing the whole MYLO thing, I think the answer is obviously fuba. I don't think it's obvious at all, because the chances are reasonably high, imo, that he is in fact survivor. And if he's not survivor, then it's not mylo anyways. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
When he claimed and said he was blue as opposed to a PR, he claimed being vengeful/vet, practically ensuring he wasn't shot over night and nullifying any benefit of his Vengeful role. It's not an unreasonable assumption to assume scum wouldn't expect every PR to be in the game as well so if they knew You/Lazer were truthful claiming that they're Vet/Venge guarantees they don't die overnight. Only consolation is he claimed before Vivax so he'd be taking a large unecessary risk. Think there is any chance he's scum? I'm kinda leaning he's telling the truth by necessity. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 04 2013 00:42 Stutters695 wrote: Marv, now that I'm caught up, what do you make of Gumshoe's claim? When he claimed and said he was blue as opposed to a PR, he claimed being vengeful/vet, practically ensuring he wasn't shot over night and nullifying any benefit of his Vengeful role. It's not an unreasonable assumption to assume scum wouldn't expect every PR to be in the game as well so if they knew You/Lazer were truthful claiming that they're Vet/Venge guarantees they don't die overnight. Only consolation is he claimed before Vivax so he'd be taking a large unecessary risk. Think there is any chance he's scum? I'm kinda leaning he's telling the truth by necessity. There's no difference between blue and PR, they're the same lingo. i.e. he could have been vigilante. I'd say that how his explanation came about (opposing / uncomfortable with massclaiming ----> being blue) does make sense. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 03 2013 21:56 JarJarDrinks wrote: and I really want to emphasize that last point:Not totally caught up but I see fuba claimed 3rd party. Few things first: - Doesn't that pretty much mean he's extremely unlikely to win? If I'm 3rd party I think I'd just counter the scummiest looking dude and take my chances. - Why not jail someone? Especially gumshoe who claimed blue and could potentially vig kill him? Saying that he figured vig would shoot lazr or marv seems like a poor reason to not use ur ability. - I find it way too coincidental that he's the last claim and he happens to have the only non-red role left in the game. That means for him to be telling the truth, every scummy got lucky and picked a role not already in the game. Gonna reread stuff but I doubt I'll see anything that would make me want to vote anywhere else. The last person to claim just so happened to have the only role left in the game Add to that the fact that FUBA IS THE ONLY PERSON IN THE THREAD THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO MISLYNCH AND NOT LOSE THE GAME and it becomes a no-brainer. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 04 2013 00:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: Here's a small case I made on Fuba :and I really want to emphasize that last point: The last person to claim just so happened to have the only role left in the game Add to that the fact that FUBA IS THE ONLY PERSON IN THE THREAD THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO MISLYNCH AND NOT LOSE THE GAME and it becomes a no-brainer. You're still looking at it the wrong way. Because you're potentially throwing away one of our lynches just to be 'safe' when we will STILL have to lynch all the mafia. Lynching mafia reduces KP too. You're effectively gambling on the chance that fuba is mafia, which I don't think is THAT high. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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