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pretty sure rayn suggested I choose the order. here's what i posted:
On July 03 2013 06:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm assuming I die for sure. W/ the mass claim looming they can't leave me alive because I'm close to confirmed town as well as uncounterable @ this point.
not necesarily my order of scumminess (though close) but this is the order I think people should claim. Use it if I die:
gumshoe and marvellosity - get these out of the way first. Marv doesnt really need to @ this point but cant hurt.
s0Lstice - was one of my earliest suspects and has been so insanely quiet I almost forgot he was still playing
WaveofShadow -
raynpelikoneet - I do have a history of reading scum rayn as town. I'm really not sure about him anymore. I think this whole marv/lazor thing did make sense @ the time however I feel like he's trying to direct attention away from the whole mass claim which should be the first order of business tomorrow.
mkfuba07 -
Oatsmaster -
Stutters695 -
Vivax - First person to bring up a mass claim gets him lotsa townie points
I think that's everyone.
Before all that though see if lazer claims to have caught a red and have that person claim first. Though I'd be shocked if he says he came back w/ an unblocked check regardless of alignment.
man rayns last few posts are serious WTFs.
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On July 03 2013 08:34 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 08:28 marvellosity wrote:
Pretty sure iGrok said that roleblocks don't notify in one of his clarification posts Yes but if your ability doesn't go through....
Er... ;;
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not necesarily my order of scumminess (though close) but this is the order I think people should claim. Use it if I die:
Put marv before gumshoe.
The guy isn't pushing any reads.
Only defending himself, talking about how his claim would be too risky, and hating.
He said himself he fakeclaimed miller in another game.
He says the claim isn't risky although he can still outplay the other miller if it comes to it.
Look at how he pushes the wagons D1. He was pretty much throwing shit everywhere (WoS, Vayne, fuba) except on Lazer and see what sticks. He said Lazer looked like he was trying, but ignored Rayn saying that Lazer didn't push his scumread Vayne all day long.
He just finished reading the thread and showed zero doubt. Even cockiness has a limit.
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All leftover town roles have been taken, and I find it extremely unlikely that all blues are in the game, also where was the one shot vig's hit if hes real? I would currently not believe a vig claim. Until WOS and Fuba arrive do we assume they are scum/survivor? Do we accept the existence of unknown roles?
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On July 03 2013 08:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +
not necesarily my order of scumminess (though close) but this is the order I think people should claim. Use it if I die:
Put marv before gumshoe. The guy isn't pushing any reads. Only defending himself, talking about how his claim would be too risky, and hating. He said himself he fakeclaimed miller in another game. He says the claim isn't risky although he can still outplay the other miller if it comes to it. Look at how he pushes the wagons D1. He was pretty much throwing shit everywhere (WoS, Vayne, fuba) except on Lazer and see what sticks. He said Lazer looked like he was trying, but ignored Rayn saying that Lazer didn't push his scumread Vayne all day long. He just finished reading the thread and showed zero doubt. Even cockiness has a limit.
A new day has begun, Rayne is dead and that, as somber a verdict, is a new beginning for thought. Expect cases soon. Also I've claimed revenge townie. Why not keep me around in case of a lylo situation? If it gets to that point you can shoot me to be sure and guarantee a win. Until then they're are always other scum. Do you have any specific questions or reads you want from me? How do you feel about my blue claim?
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Sorry meant to quote Fuba.
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On July 03 2013 08:44 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 08:40 Vivax wrote:
not necesarily my order of scumminess (though close) but this is the order I think people should claim. Use it if I die:
Put marv before gumshoe. The guy isn't pushing any reads. Only defending himself, talking about how his claim would be too risky, and hating. He said himself he fakeclaimed miller in another game. He says the claim isn't risky although he can still outplay the other miller if it comes to it. Look at how he pushes the wagons D1. He was pretty much throwing shit everywhere (WoS, Vayne, fuba) except on Lazer and see what sticks. He said Lazer looked like he was trying, but ignored Rayn saying that Lazer didn't push his scumread Vayne all day long. He just finished reading the thread and showed zero doubt. Even cockiness has a limit. A new day has begun, Rayne is dead and that, as somber a verdict, is a new beginning for thought. Expect cases soon. Also I've claimed revenge townie. Why not keep me around in case of a lylo situation? If it gets to that point you can shoot me to be sure and guarantee a win. Until then they're are always other scum. Do you have any specific questions or reads you want from me? How do you feel about my blue claim?
I'd rather stop talking about all these claims and judge people by their play.
How do you feel about lynching marv?
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On July 03 2013 08:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +
not necesarily my order of scumminess (though close) but this is the order I think people should claim. Use it if I die:
Put marv before gumshoe. The guy isn't pushing any reads. Only defending himself, talking about how his claim would be too risky, and hating. He said himself he fakeclaimed miller in another game. He says the claim isn't risky although he can still outplay the other miller if it comes to it. Look at how he pushes the wagons D1. He was pretty much throwing shit everywhere (WoS, Vayne, fuba) except on Lazer and see what sticks. He said Lazer looked like he was trying, but ignored Rayn saying that Lazer didn't push his scumread Vayne all day long. He just finished reading the thread and showed zero doubt. Even cockiness has a limit.
Even for you this is exceptionally biased.
I'm defending myself because I'm under relentless attack from jubjubs. In case you hadn't noticed, when I had some time earlier I had a go at diving fuba + s0lstice + gumshoe's filters (and WoS to an extent but I gave up).
The miller claim IS too risky. It's monumentally risky. Why would I even PUT myself in a position to "outplay" the other miller when I can JUST NOT CLAIM MILLER IN THE FIRST PLACE.
How was I throwing shit everywhere on day 1? I came back, had little time, put my vote on someone who's usually very active but wasn't, then changed my vote to someone I thought was scummy. I didn't ignore rayn, I looked at Lazer's filter myself.
I also didn't show zero doubt, as evidenced by my voteswitch in the first place.
What an absolute pile of horse manure that post was, vivax.
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Ladies and gents we have a problem here.
There are some fakeclaimers amongst the blues as I am Donny Donowitz.
I'm assuming since the shot I took at marv didn't go through I was roleblocked.
Vivax were you notified of your hit?
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There is no way in hell all the blue roles are present in this game so some people are lying.
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Who is left at this point for fuba, one of the millers?
Was it Rayn who said the idea that the host gave out fakeclaims is stupid?
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On July 03 2013 08:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 08:44 gumshoe wrote:On July 03 2013 08:40 Vivax wrote:
not necesarily my order of scumminess (though close) but this is the order I think people should claim. Use it if I die:
Put marv before gumshoe. The guy isn't pushing any reads. Only defending himself, talking about how his claim would be too risky, and hating. He said himself he fakeclaimed miller in another game. He says the claim isn't risky although he can still outplay the other miller if it comes to it. Look at how he pushes the wagons D1. He was pretty much throwing shit everywhere (WoS, Vayne, fuba) except on Lazer and see what sticks. He said Lazer looked like he was trying, but ignored Rayn saying that Lazer didn't push his scumread Vayne all day long. He just finished reading the thread and showed zero doubt. Even cockiness has a limit. A new day has begun, Rayne is dead and that, as somber a verdict, is a new beginning for thought. Expect cases soon. Also I've claimed revenge townie. Why not keep me around in case of a lylo situation? If it gets to that point you can shoot me to be sure and guarantee a win. Until then they're are always other scum. Do you have any specific questions or reads you want from me? How do you feel about my blue claim? I'd rather stop talking about all these claims and judge people by their play. How do you feel about lynching marv?
I was gone during the vote sadly, so I was kinda shocked to see Vayne had been lynched. Looking back Marv didnt give great reasons as to why he felt this was so strong a choice.
Vayne pretty much admits himself in past games that he likes to solve games by night interactions and kills, claims etc. Seems completely against his MO to advise against it this game.
Vayne doesn't care about the game and Vayne is always at the forefront of town when he's town (and much less so as scum). I understand from something in his filter that he was away at some point, but having returned he's just given lists of people he's happy to lynch into and nothing else of substance. His standing in town is precisely the opposite of what I expect from town-Vayne and much more what I'd expect from scum-Vayne.
This is pure Wifom. Disregard it. Also it was wrong.
This is his other reason.
I can't see why Vayne is town though. His last 4 or 5 posts in his filter are all saying he;s happy lynching into numerous people or giving reasoning without conclusions.
This is the singular post in question in which Vayne does this.
I'd say stutters/fuba/lazer at this point. WoS hasn't posted enough wouldn't give us much info besides a bit on lazer, that's about it
Of the three here, nothing can be said against Fuba and Stutters that hasnt already been said and Vayne has gone at length about Lazer.
So his reasonings for lynching Vayne come off as bullshiit. The only thing that happens four or five times is the amount of posts in which Marv says Vayne is super scummy rather than elaborating as to why he is.
He also pretty much says hes not confident in the vote here.
no, and my viewpoint is more uninformed than usual, in that I'm basically discounting people (fuba, gumshoe being two good examples) because I haven't got time to think about it properly.
Yet he believes that he can and should be the one to decide and asks everyone to take a leap of faith for him.
Just sheep me and I can deal with the flak whatever the flip is.
Why did the guy coming into thread last minute feel comfortable pushing everyone to listen to him? After hes wrong does his posting somehow become indecisive? Does he appear in any way perturbed? No, he laughs at Vayne for raging and then gets right back to the game as if his and towns position has in no way been weakened. The whole wagon is so ridicules that I have to agree with what someone said earlier, if hes scum, scum lynch was probably on the line. Also as ridicules as the fact that he got this wagon rolling at all was that it worked. Why did Lazer join the wagon even though he had thoroughly discussed Vayne being lynch bait before hand?
On the other side of it all we have the miller claim, another crazy ballsy move that speaks for itself. Honestly though if Marv is town hes playing a crazy game, if hes scum hes playing a crazy game as well. So lets forget the odds and the statistics for a moment. Is Marv a good scum player that can turn chaos to his advantage and convince people of his innocence through sheer bravado? Survey says yes. If you have any respect for Marvs play, you have to assume hes not town this game ) : cause this have gone to hell largely because of him and his efforts.
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On July 03 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ladies and gents we have a problem here.
There are some fakeclaimers amongst the blues as I am Donny Donowitz.
I'm assuming since the shot I took at marv didn't go through I was roleblocked.
Vivax were you notified of your hit? Who do you think is lying?
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What have I done that's 'crazy', gumshoe? How is my behavioural analysis of Vayne WIFOM? It was a meta read, don't call it wifom when it isn't. Just because it was wrong doesn't make it crazy or wifom.
This town has gone to hell largely because of my efforts? The fact that town sheeped me when I asked is indicative of a shit town who didn't have any of their shit together and sheeped someone who came back an hour before the lynch. Bullshit all you like but every townie's vote is their own.
Fuck you man, go to hell.
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Marv, find scum and you dont get killed.
You cant defend this. its not gonna convince anyone.
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If town can't follow basic logic they don't deserve to be convinced.
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On July 03 2013 09:27 marvellosity wrote:
If town can't follow basic logic they don't deserve to be convinced.
What if scumteam got notified about 2kp when town did?
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Who cares if they did? How is it relevant?
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On July 03 2013 09:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ladies and gents we have a problem here.
There are some fakeclaimers amongst the blues as I am Donny Donowitz.
I'm assuming since the shot I took at marv didn't go through I was roleblocked.
Vivax were you notified of your hit? Who do you think is lying?
I have no clue now to be honest. I was worried when the possibility of fakeclaims were brought up that this would be a possibility.
I have no fucking clue why I was roleblocked though.
I'm still thinking strictly role-wise it would make the most sense to have a cop in this game so certainly one of the protection/KP roles has to be a fake. Since I know mine is legit that leaves Vivax/gumshoe. Are 2 or 3 blues more likely in this setup because I would think then if only 2 blues are really present maybe Lazer DID fakeclaim along with one of the others. Gameplay-wise if I had to pick one of the blueclaims to lynch Lazer has had by far the scummiest play out of the three of them so I'd lynch him first. I'm not sure which of Vivax/gumshoe are lying if only 2 blues are present.
In fact,
##Vote: Lazermonkey
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On July 03 2013 09:28 marvellosity wrote:
Who cares if they did? How is it relevant?
because then it doesnt matter as much if the fakeclaimer died because they wont lose KP anyway.
This is a MAIN POINT in your defence that its too risky and not enough benefit for scum to claim.
WoS, who is most likely for being scum out of the blue claimers? BECAUSE Im thinking its you for just claiming and fucking off without even mentioning ANYBODY.
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