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On July 02 2013 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:21 Lazermonkey wrote:
Rayn, 7 pages of filter and the only time you take an actual stance on Vayne is when you say that he is town from PoE. This is weak. On day 1 you generally aren't very certain on anything, and you are no way in hell being to single out the whole scum team and being able to say that someone is town due to PoE.
Ignoring everyone else, whats your stance on him? Town. By PoE and by posting. Disregard PoE. Explain why his posting is town.
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On July 02 2013 05:23 Vivax wrote:
Lazer, u realize that the only guy who has a chance to be lynched besides you is probably WoS and maybe fuba given his strange in-post-switch?
Given your spare comments about the two it would be nice if you could lead us towards a read on them, if you are town. Summarize the case on WoS.
Also, only 3 votes on me, we can still swap to anyone really.
+ I can just claim if shit hits the fan.
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On July 02 2013 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He has similar suspects to me, besides Stutters. He has good reasoning behind his posts. He is looking into places i think are right. Well, this looks like BS to me but I don't have time to argue right now.
@everyone, please give your opinion on Vayne...
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On July 02 2013 05:26 Vivax wrote:This is one of the reasons I didn't like WoS. He talks lengthy about stuff that isn't conclusive or relevant for finding scum. He talked with you about this btw. Given you have Vayne as scumread, and WoS called him a policy lynch after arguing with you that he can't be called lynchbait, why weren't you at least a little suspicious of WoS? Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 00:23 Vivax wrote:Specifically, I don't like this post about Vayne, it feels like he talks a lot about something which is completely irrelevant to finding scum. Arguing about the definition of lynch baits and Vayne's meta was not something really relevant at the stage where he wrote that: On June 30 2013 20:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 30 2013 19:54 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 30 2013 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seriously everyone. Think about it yourself:
Would you claim miller 5 minutes into the game as mafia? What would you gain by doing so?
If someone gives me a reasonable answer to this question i promise to reconsider my read on marv. Don't make it sound like Marv had to think everything through in just 5 minutes because that's just not true. It's not like its impossible to plan that if you roll mafia in a game, you want to fake claim miller. What do I know, maybe he even requested mafia? I'm not sure how relevant that is. (Does anyone know if iGrok is the type of host to give requests rather than RNG?) As for Vayne, there's not a great deal to say. Played here in one of the first games on the site, disappears and plays on Mafiascum for a while (I think?). Comes back, does decently in newbie games, then causes a whole bunch of shit when playing with the big boys because his playstyle doesn't fit with how we play on TL. He often talks big about how he doesn't do much analysis on the first day but then gets criticized when his play doesn't pick up on subsequent days. Is lynchbait in a lot of his town games and some of his play is questionable. His sole game as mafia was with me and he did really well. Trying to recognize someone as lynchbait worries me a little, Lazer. It becomes one of those WIFOM things where we don't know: a) Are you targeting him because he is lynchbait and you get a pass on that if he flips green? b) Are you targeting him because he looks scummy to you? This was an issue with jaybrundage in Roulette mini. His play on the lynchbait thing was different in that he self-acknowledged as lynchbait at the start of the game (which I found scummy) and said anyone who goes after him as such was scummy. Turned out he was scum, but me and mostly everyone else ended up not doing much suspecting of him throughout the game because despite saying he was lynchbait, he didn't act as such. That honestly should have set off alarms for me and everyone else much earlier. This may seem off-topic but in conclusion my stance on it is lynchbait or not, if he's not actively disruptive to town play, and not acting/playing scummy, then I have no reason to lynch him currently. I had talked in an earlier obs QT about the idea of policy lynching because Vayne ends up lynchbait a lot and doesn't play when asked a lot, but that doesn't seem to be the case this game as I mentioned to him, plus I don't think I have the pull/balls to carry off a straight policy lynch. I don't get it. Why would I be suspicious of him becuase of the policy shit?
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btw, I agree with WoS being useless but I'd rather kill someone scummy (Vayne) than someone useless...
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On July 02 2013 05:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:28 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 02 2013 05:26 Vivax wrote:This is one of the reasons I didn't like WoS. He talks lengthy about stuff that isn't conclusive or relevant for finding scum. He talked with you about this btw. Given you have Vayne as scumread, and WoS called him a policy lynch after arguing with you that he can't be called lynchbait, why weren't you at least a little suspicious of WoS? On July 02 2013 00:23 Vivax wrote:Specifically, I don't like this post about Vayne, it feels like he talks a lot about something which is completely irrelevant to finding scum. Arguing about the definition of lynch baits and Vayne's meta was not something really relevant at the stage where he wrote that: On June 30 2013 20:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 30 2013 19:54 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 30 2013 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seriously everyone. Think about it yourself:
Would you claim miller 5 minutes into the game as mafia? What would you gain by doing so?
If someone gives me a reasonable answer to this question i promise to reconsider my read on marv. Don't make it sound like Marv had to think everything through in just 5 minutes because that's just not true. It's not like its impossible to plan that if you roll mafia in a game, you want to fake claim miller. What do I know, maybe he even requested mafia? I'm not sure how relevant that is. (Does anyone know if iGrok is the type of host to give requests rather than RNG?) As for Vayne, there's not a great deal to say. Played here in one of the first games on the site, disappears and plays on Mafiascum for a while (I think?). Comes back, does decently in newbie games, then causes a whole bunch of shit when playing with the big boys because his playstyle doesn't fit with how we play on TL. He often talks big about how he doesn't do much analysis on the first day but then gets criticized when his play doesn't pick up on subsequent days. Is lynchbait in a lot of his town games and some of his play is questionable. His sole game as mafia was with me and he did really well. Trying to recognize someone as lynchbait worries me a little, Lazer. It becomes one of those WIFOM things where we don't know: a) Are you targeting him because he is lynchbait and you get a pass on that if he flips green? b) Are you targeting him because he looks scummy to you? This was an issue with jaybrundage in Roulette mini. His play on the lynchbait thing was different in that he self-acknowledged as lynchbait at the start of the game (which I found scummy) and said anyone who goes after him as such was scummy. Turned out he was scum, but me and mostly everyone else ended up not doing much suspecting of him throughout the game because despite saying he was lynchbait, he didn't act as such. That honestly should have set off alarms for me and everyone else much earlier. This may seem off-topic but in conclusion my stance on it is lynchbait or not, if he's not actively disruptive to town play, and not acting/playing scummy, then I have no reason to lynch him currently. I had talked in an earlier obs QT about the idea of policy lynching because Vayne ends up lynchbait a lot and doesn't play when asked a lot, but that doesn't seem to be the case this game as I mentioned to him, plus I don't think I have the pull/balls to carry off a straight policy lynch. I don't get it. Why would I be suspicious of him becuase of the policy shit? Maybe cause he writes a lengthy post for why Vayne isn't lynch bait, then concludes with saying that he doesn't have a read on him and is a policy lynch? You had a scumread on him, I would imagine that such a post would raise red flags for me if I had Vayne as scumread. It already did without me having Vayne as scumread. That just seems retarded as either alignment...
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On July 02 2013 05:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We are not lynching Vayne. We are lynching you/WoS/Fuba, so why can't you just comment on them?
You had two days to make a case on Vayne, and you failed. You don't get us to look at him now, 30min before the lynch, when you have shown no interest in asking us to do that before. why are we not lynching Vayne? His filter is extraordinarily short (i know, i know). also just found this Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 01:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
can we agree collectively as a game to not claim roles in this open setup? It's pretty broken and I didn't sign up for a lets all claim and lynch at 50/50 game.
With that said I am mainly looking at lazer/WoS now.
Lazer's posting has been fairly more townie as of recently but the fact that he OMGUS'd me from my accusations is a bit alarming when he gave very little reasoning. It seems like he's trying to keep himself on the good side of most of the people in the game so instead of scum hunting he just goes right back at the accuser.
As for WoS I am not really a fan of what he's done so far, he has been very passive yet exceedingly angry which is somewhat how he played in Les Mis. The fact that he says I am playing differently and doesn't know what to make of it leads me to believe that he knows I am town somehow, might have been a scumslip. Vayne pretty much admits himself in past games that he likes to solve games by night interactions and kills, claims etc. Seems completely against his MO to advise against it this game. Marv
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##Vote: Vayne
YOLO, will swap to WoS if need be.
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On July 02 2013 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you marv think about Lazer having Vayne as a scumread for all the game and not pushing him at any point until 30min before the lynch? That does not raise red flags at all? You realize I was gone all day, right?
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WHEN DA FUCK IS THE DEADLINE.
I really need to know if I need to claim...
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On July 02 2013 05:36 Stutters695 wrote:
I saw that too Marv. Why that's null for me is there is a huge difference between mass claiming that breaks the game before anyone has even been lynched and solving it via actions that are controllable. That is far from the only scummy thing he has done this game...
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Okay fuba is being totaly super useless atm. He is here but chooses not to care about this lynch at all and instead goes on with a stupid fucking argument with stutters.
I can kill this guy.
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On July 02 2013 05:39 Vivax wrote:
Hey Lazer, what about Oats and me?
Where did your reads of us go? Read. Filter.
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On July 02 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 02 2013 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you marv think about Lazer having Vayne as a scumread for all the game and not pushing him at any point until 30min before the lynch? That does not raise red flags at all? You realize I was gone all day, right? Yet you have posted a lot yesterday. Instead of pushing Vayne you hopped on JarJar "because nobody would lynch Vayne with you". Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:36 marvellosity wrote:On July 02 2013 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He has similar suspects to me, besides Stutters. He has good reasoning behind his posts. He is looking into places i think are right. you mean this? Yes. I admitt that I was lazy, I don't feel like spending 5h+ on this game every day, I'm sorry. Doesn't make me scum though.
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Okay, I'm just going to assume this silence means that dealine is in one hour. If it is in 15 minutes I will be genuinly mad, but w/e.
Host, u dere? When iz deadline?
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On July 02 2013 05:40 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 04:59 Vivax wrote:WAIT WHAT Rereading fuba I just noticed this shit: On July 01 2013 07:00 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oats's vote on rayn was interesting, because I didn't think of rayn's actions from that persepective. The thing is, though, rayn had thought the situation through. The way oats presents it is as though rayn simply saw marv claim miller, and accepted it as true. Then went on to buddy him. This is clearly not what happened.
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rayn: After Vivax's marv post, I expected rayn to be less insistent on him being confirmed town. It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective. Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value, and I'm pretty convinced. He's far too eager to accept the claim as truth, when it should now have little effect on the mind of a townie. My only reluctance to vote for him is his activity level, which I tend to associate with town.
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
Everyone else is gonna need a filter dive, and I'm going to have to reread the posts I read while writing this, but I feel comfortable with my vote where it is. In the same post he says Rayn didn't take the claim at face value, then he says I pointed it out and suddenly it's true? Wtf. This needs explanation. The writing of the first line and the writing in the last substantial paragraph happened about four hours apart. There were quite a few pages between those, and you presented a perspective I hadn't considered. Fuba, why aren't you doing anything productive at all?
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On July 02 2013 05:45 s0Lstice wrote:
While I'm catching up..I see Marv is back.
Marv, do me a favor and read through Stutters quick and tell me what you think. Ignore stutters please. This lynch is between me/fuba/WoS/Vayne.
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On July 02 2013 05:48 marvellosity wrote:
I think vayne is an extremely good lynch, i think wos is a decent backup lynch. Whats your take on fuba, doesn't comment on anything at all about the current lynch but just arguing about shit with stutters (who isn't a realistic lynch today) and defendinghimself.
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On July 02 2013 05:50 Stutters695 wrote:
I'll check out Vayne Marv, care to point out what you see though? His filter is like 1 centimeter long. Just read it.
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On July 02 2013 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so we have 10min, who do we lynch? Marv are you sure vayne is scum? 40*
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