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On June 30 2013 19:12 Vivax wrote:
GUYS GUYS.
Alright, first of all, I'm still at page 9 while writing this. But I thought about all of this miller thing.
First : It's good that we have that claim. Parity cop can simply check marv and prime his check for the following nights.
Second: WHY did marv not claim miller along with a name? That is actually pretty scummy. Millers have names in this game, and two possibly different ones.
For a scum fakeclaiming it makes sense to withhold your name cause you don't know if there's another miller.
If you fakeclaim with name, you are at risk of getting counterclaimed for having the same name.
And overall: Why doesn't marv post his full miller PM at once? He should still do that and if he can't we lynch him. If he does we have to consider that it can come from the host. But if iGrok doesn't give one to him he can't and we lynch him. Ezpz. Good point.
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Guys, tell me a story about this Vayne guy plz. I want to hear it!
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On June 30 2013 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seriously everyone. Think about it yourself:
Would you claim miller 5 minutes into the game as mafia? What would you gain by doing so?
If someone gives me a reasonable answer to this question i promise to reconsider my read on marv. Don't make it sound like Marv had to think everything through in just 5 minutes because that's just not true. It's not like its impossible to plan that if you roll mafia in a game, you want to fake claim miller. What do I know, maybe he even requested mafia?
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I do find Vayne's play scummy, that's why I asked. And no, I don't mean a policy type of lynch. I mean a you-are-likely-scum type of lynch. What is your take on his post about me that he ends up doing nothing with, and instead tries to defend himself from attacks that aren't really attacks?
Also, I don't understand why me trying to recognize him as a lynch bait makes me look suspcious in your eyes. If he is a lynch bait, everyone will know that sooner or later. Thing is, scum can just ignore the fact he is a lynch bait and just push him because he looks scummy. Applying your logic in the case of a Vayne lynch, I would bad because I questioned if he was a lynch bait whereas scum looks better because they didn't.
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That post was dircetced at WoS!
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My biggest problem with Rayn being scum atm is the fact that it seems that he took an unnecessarily hard aproach to the whole Marv being miller thing. Why couldn't he just say something like "you you guys are right" and avoid all this shit at him? Stuff like this is more likely to come from a stubborn townie IMO.
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On June 30 2013 20:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 20:21 Lazermonkey wrote:
I do find Vayne's play scummy, that's why I asked. And no, I don't mean a policy type of lynch. I mean a you-are-likely-scum type of lynch. What is your take on his post about me that he ends up doing nothing with, and instead tries to defend himself from attacks that aren't really attacks?
Also, I don't understand why me trying to recognize him as a lynch bait makes me look suspcious in your eyes. If he is a lynch bait, everyone will know that sooner or later. Thing is, scum can just ignore the fact he is a lynch bait and just push him because he looks scummy. Applying your logic in the case of a Vayne lynch, I would bad because I questioned if he was a lynch bait whereas scum looks better because they didn't. The first two sentences in your second paragraph are contradictory. The rest of it is WIFOM. My point was that whether he is lynchbait or not, I won't be using that to determine whether or not he is worthy of being lynched and I don't feel that attempting to determine as such one way or the other is a particularly towny thing to do. I don't get how the sentences are contradicting each other : /. And its not really that much of WIFOM. If I am scum, couldn't I just say "hey, these posts by Vayne probably means he is scum" and then just push for his lynch, not giving a fuck? Instead I said "hey, these posts by Vayne are suspcious, but if he usually plays like this then its not that big of a scum tell".
And no, I'm obviously not giving him auto-town status just because he is a lynch bait, that would be retarded Lol. But there is a reason lynch baits are lynch baits. They get lynched.
On June 30 2013 20:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Now as far as his post: Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 12:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
Something rubs me the wrong way about lazermonkeys posting
Starts off the thread not even wanting to scum hunt.
Throws down a troll vote early, see jaybrundage in roulette for how something innocent just pads your filter with bs.
Eager to jump on the stutters be before he has even defended himself
His 6th post is just insanely scummy read it and tell me otherwise
Rest of his filter is useless speculation
He gets my vote until I can talk with him more and get a better read
Can't vote right now as its much too precise to bold shit on an iPad but will contribute more when I'm home tomorrow night This is completely antithetic to what Vayne's play has consisted of so far on TL. I can't make heads or tails from it because this is more character/post analysis than he normally does D1 and as well he promises to contribute more. If you want to treat this simply as is, ignore his meta and say it's scummy because of no followup then that's your prerogative but I'd like to see more from him before making a call. If I were to ignore his meta and look strictly at this post I probably wouldn't like it either, especially the '6th post' comment which I'd like him to expand upon eventually. For what it's worth, the towniest he has ever played thus far in my opinion was his scum game. Okay, this is what I wanted from you!
As a side note, my 6th post is this On June 30 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote:
Marv, which game were you fake claiming miller? Maybe I'm a bit biased in this issue (^^)but I fail to see how this makes me scum.
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The more I read, the more I am convinced that Rayn is town. This miller stuff doesn't add up. It's the worst fucking scum play ever if he actually is scum. And no, I'm not talking about him being too scum to be scum. Its about the fact that he took a really hard fight in a really unnecesary way. The post Vivax posted is just dumb, its not the same situation and really shows nothing. If anything I'd say it makes him look more town, as scum he would probably be more concerned with making himself look like his town "meta".
More stuff: He is active
He hunts scum
He calls me town ^^
A player that interests me at the moment is Oats. For those of you who are very lazy, let me summarize his filter.
Rayn is scum
Rayn is scum
Rayn is scum
Stutters is null
Rayn is scum
Rayn is scum
Rayn is scum
Lazermonkey scum cuz ???
Rayn is scum
Vivax town cuz we tunnel the same person
Rayn is scum
(I'm not even kidding Lol, his tunnel really is this bad)
He is avoiding all other topics like a boss. While it isn't per say bad that you attack players you think is scum, this shouldn't come at the cost of commenting on everyone else. A really easy way to play scum is just to non stop attack someone, this way you appear to be contributing when you are in fact not. As for Oats, I'm still bit inconclusive atm but he is giving bad vibes and I'm leaning scum.
There are more than one scum in this game Oats, feel like trying to find someone else?
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On July 01 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No Lazer, this is what Oats does as town. He's probably town. Tunnel you mean?
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On July 01 2013 04:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
What topics Lazer?
I think you are scum because there is no doubt in your mind that marv is town.
Lol
WAT
WAT
WAT
WAT
WAT
Seriously? Are you kidding me? or what? Lol? I didn't say marv was confirmed town, did I? I was the guy who stayed up all night to argue with Rayn why Marv WASN'T confirmed mafia.
You may discuss anything you like except for Rayn. The discussion isn't very productive atm I'd say. You have made you opinion very very very clear. So has Rayn. If you really think he is scum there really is no reason for you to keep on arguing with him, is it? you don't need to convince him of being scum himself... With that said, I'd love you to give your opinions on Vayle and Stutters!
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On June 30 2013 22:56 Vivax wrote:I also mentioned that Lazer made the same mistake in not assuming the genuine perspective, here: Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:25 Lazermonkey wrote:
Regarding the the possibilties of there being two millers in the setup.
First off, I'm going to make the assumption that there are only three scum in this game. Secondly, looking at the roles in possible for scum you can see that the only one power role in our beloved friend Adolf "the roleblocker." Hitler. Now, assuming there is only 1 Hitler (which I don't think is a very bold assumption) the most powerfull scum team is in theory goon x2 + GF, a relativly weak team. Having two millers vs this team, even without additional blue roles, honestly seems kinda OP as you would either get into a postion with 2 modconfirmed townies D1 or a group of 3 people where you know for sure that one is scum. So, once again assuming (-.-)that the game is fairly balanced I don't think there are two millers.
And the conclusion you should draw from this is that Marvs claim probably means he is town. Knowing that marv is town, he didn't assume that there could be no miller.
On June 30 2013 23:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah Lazer took in the fakeclaim not as scum fake claiming, just saying that with 1 miller means marv is confirmed town and 2 millers means that marv isnt confirmed town.
kk.
? Lazer says marv is probably town cause there can only be 1 miller. And that while knowing that he fakeclaimed miller in another game. Maybe I'm missunderstanding what your point is here but here is how I saw it.
Initially impression is that Marv should be town because of reasons I stated. Of course there could be 0 millers but if marv is scum he doesn't know that. Thats the risky part of the claim (obviously). However, when I read the game it became clear that marv did a very similar thing in a similar game, making me less sure of the fact that he is town.
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On July 01 2013 04:15 Stutters695 wrote:
@WoS Je m'en fous
This is how I always play. My day 1 reads are notoriously bad. I find generating discussion to be a much better use of my time. If this is true you've done it in an interesting way I'd say. The discussion you have generated this far has been about you being scum.
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On July 01 2013 04:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 04:14 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 01 2013 04:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
What topics Lazer?
I think you are scum because there is no doubt in your mind that marv is town.
Lol WAT WAT WAT WAT WAT Seriously? Are you kidding me? or what? Lol? I didn't say marv was confirmed town, did I? I was the guy who stayed up all night to argue with Rayn why Marv WASN'T confirmed mafia. You may discuss anything you like except for Rayn. The discussion isn't very productive atm I'd say. You have made you opinion very very very clear. So has Rayn. If you really think he is scum there really is no reason for you to keep on arguing with him, is it? you don't need to convince him of being scum himself... With that said, I'd love you to give your opinions on Vayle and Stutters! you might wanna change that word. Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:25 Lazermonkey wrote:
Regarding the the possibilties of there being two millers in the setup.
First off, I'm going to make the assumption that there are only three scum in this game. Secondly, looking at the roles in possible for scum you can see that the only one power role in our beloved friend Adolf "the roleblocker." Hitler. Now, assuming there is only 1 Hitler (which I don't think is a very bold assumption) the most powerfull scum team is in theory goon x2 + GF, a relativly weak team. Having two millers vs this team, even without additional blue roles, honestly seems kinda OP as you would either get into a postion with 2 modconfirmed townies D1 or a group of 3 people where you know for sure that one is scum. So, once again assuming (-.-)that the game is fairly balanced I don't think there are two millers.
And the conclusion you should draw from this is that Marvs claim probably means he is town. This post basically. You talk all about 2 millers would be OP and that 1 miller means that marv is town. What? Like you dont take into account the fakeclaiming marv at all in this paragraph. In essence, this paragraph is saying that there is probably only 1 miller for balance reasons. And that marv is town. what jump did you take to get there? /facepalm
First off, like I've said over 9000 times already, I'm nowhere as sure that Marv is town as I were when I wrote that post in the start of the game. This post was based on the assumption that:
1. Marv doesn't take crazy risks
2. There are probably not 2 millers in the game
3. There could very well be 1 miller in the game.
With above facts, it would be very easy to draw the conclusion that marv is not scum beuse if he were, there is a high chance he could get counter claimed. When I then looked at the other game, I found out that marv did in fact claim miller as scum in a game where 2 millers were almost impossible but 1 was quite likely, just like this game. Thats why I changed my mind.
But even ignoring that, its BS to say that someone is scum just because they are convinced that someone is town.
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On July 01 2013 04:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
So lazer, stutters is scum? Why? Yhea, filters really are hard to read, no?
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On July 01 2013 04:29 Stutters695 wrote:
Read any game I've played. Usually people suspect me day 1 for the exact same reasons but not before someone else already has a train on them so it never goes anywhere. Usually I'd have maybe three posts by this time but I'm trying to improve my play. If that results in a d1 mislynch on me, so be it. It helps me learn for later. If this is true I will punch my head into something hard. Whats the deal with playing if your not playing?
Give me reads. Give me something.
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The level of laziness is impressive to say the least...On July 01 2013 04:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
post it here.
in your next post. There is lot to talk about. Stutters and WoS are scummy. Do you agree? We talk about marv more when he posts more.
Like I already said, I think your points against stutters are good. The fact that he is very fast to doubt Marv's claim yet does not take a clear stance, the fact that he said that his french is rusty instead of just translating the sentence and the fact that he asks why his own posts are bad and then goes on to afk is rubbing me in a bad way.
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Hmm, gotta check this Jarjar guy.
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Okay, jarjar actually looks very wierd (in a bad, scummy way, Lol). He is very inclined to defend stutters and does an insanely weak push towards s0lstice. This alone is quite bad and combine that with the fact that he has a total of 4 posts. 3 defending stutters. But thats not the scummiest part IMO.
Look HOW he defends stutters. Not by saying why he is town. He is doing it by a really funky chain saw defense but purely against the points that Rayn makes.On June 30 2013 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 12:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
He instantly buddied marv after his miller claim which doesnt 100% confirm marv as town.
Its was like
'Miller claim please'
'im miller'
'k lets win game together marv'
Does anyone else not see that something is wrong? Agree. I also think it's wierd that he's already twice called Lazer a townread. I'm not seeing why he'd think that based on what lazer's posted so far. I also don't see what's scummy about stutters. Here's his vote for him: Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually no, Stutters' last post makes no sense from town point of view.
##Vote: Stutters And here's the post in question: Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote:On June 30 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Stutters what do you think about Lazer's post?
Also what do you think about WoS' posts? I think he's lazy and didn't read the op/didn't comprehend, nbd. WoS I'm not sure. My French is really rusty so I haven't even really tried to read them but I don't like the fact he's typing in a way clearly everyone won't understand. Can't really judge it this early without just WIFOMing myself for ages. I don't quite get what he's saying here. Why doesn't that post make sense for town? On June 30 2013 13:10 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 13:00 s0Lstice wrote:this is the scummiest post in the thread so far: On June 30 2013 07:00 Stutters695 wrote:On June 30 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no way there are 2 millers in the game so cut talking about that as a possibility already. Know something we don't? The op lists two possible millers as roles. Look at the thought process here. Rayn seems sure there are not 2 millers in the game-->Rayn knows how many millers are in the game-->Rayn is scum. For this jump to be made, Stutters would have to think scum know how many millers are in the game to get a scummy vibe from Rayn. This makes zero sense. Can't wait to hear your answer on this one my dear stutters. How is the post scummy though? Yes, It's a pretty dumb statement because like you said: It makes no sense to think that scum would know how many millers are in the game. Which means there's no way the that it could implicate rayn as scum. So if any thought was given to that post, stutters would realize that. I think the fact that stutters clearly made the post without giving it much thought makes him more likely to be town. On June 30 2013 14:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 14:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
So you are saying as scum stutters wants to throw suspicion on Rayn for something that scum dont know. I dont think this is really all the believable
Yeah this is what I was saying. If Stutters meant it as an accusation, it wasn't well thought out. I'd think that if scum was about to accuse someone of being scummy, they would first ask themselves "Is this at all believable?" And look how he avoids to actually take a stance on either Stutters or Rayn. He just calls Rayn wierd and says his arguments are bad. But that doesn't make Stutters town in any way.
Yhea, I can kill this guy.
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On July 01 2013 04:49 Oatsmaster wrote:how many fucking posts has stutters posted since then? At least double from when that was posted lazer. lets look at it. Show nested quote +
The fact that he is very fast to doubt Marv's claim yet does not take a clear stance, the fact that he said that his french is rusty instead of just translating the sentence and the fact that he asks why his own posts are bad and then goes on to afk is rubbing me in a bad way.
First point, isnt doubting marvs claiming meaning he thinks that marv might be scum? thats a stance. second point. thats a non-issue. third point: again, I dont see that being alignment indicative. Im sick and tired of people posting old posts about someone when things have changed. Gumshoe, if Rayn flips town, then I will be sorely disappointed. Ill probably move on to WoS I guess. I dunno, lotta time between now and lynch. Fuba is a lurker lynch, I dont think anything he posted is alignment indicative so far. I like that JJD thinks rayn is scum too, buddying works guys. Seriously, his suspicions on solstice is good I think, its a good point and some of what solstice posted there isnt awesome. Basically, he appears to be thinking like me and for today at least, I dont wanna lynch him. Dont know about GoT, dont care about GoT. So you think Stutters is scum mainly for activity issues. Come on. Thats not a good way to read someone. Think of a better reason or drop your read. Okay, fair enough. I'll give you that things have changed and that those things aren't exactly the best to base reads off anymore. Though I still think its fishy that he didn't translate those posts. And that he doesn't really put any effort into the game and later justify that by saying "that's how I always play". But Jarjar looks worse. Stutters can wait actually.
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On July 01 2013 05:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
JJD looks worse because?
What makes him different from stutters?
Or Vayne? Stutters has done less scummy things than Jarjar. Veyne I'm still having as a scum read. I could probably vote Vayne as well but there is no point in me voting him if there is noone else on.
What is your take on Vayne yo?
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