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On July 05 2013 23:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 23:41 marvellosity wrote:On July 05 2013 23:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 05 2013 23:37 marvellosity wrote:On July 05 2013 23:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 05 2013 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
By the way, if scum shoots you and not a townie, scum are giving town an extra mislynch. I'm well aware. Technically both teams should be ignoring me right now but I can't exactly count on either of you guys to make the mathematically right play now, can I? The mathematically right play is for scum to shoot town. If scum get their shot through, mathematically it's a pretty decent play to lynch you. If scum don't, mathematically it isn't. But is it the BEST play? No, it isn't. That's why I can't trust either of you guys right now. It is the best play if we don't have a guaranteed scum lynch. You're spouting bullshit on the basis that you expect agents to act irrationally. That's just nonsense. Rationally scum will not shoot you, and town will definitely not lynch you if you make a save, but could well lynch you if you don't. There's only one scenario where YOUR action makes a difference. I'm not spouting bullshit. You don't speak for the town; there are 7 other people who can vote right now other than you and me. And who's to say if I start acting for town scum don't shoot me even if it's irrational 'cuz dey mad at me and wanna be all vindictive? 'If we don't win neither do you!' It's an impossible scenario for me, marv. If people acted rationally in mafia all of the time the game just wouldn't be as fun now, would it?
Again, you're spouting bullshit based on agents acting irrationally. This is mafia, there's no guarantees of anything, but there's pretty clearly defined payoffs based on events occurring. The fact you keep arguing against this makes you look stupid at the very least.
"who's to say scum won't jeapordise their chances of winning for giggles?" - noone, but it's dumb.
"there are 7 other people who can vote right now other than you" - and only one wants to lynch you.
Again, you have one action that could qualitatively improve your chances of winning, and that's making a save.
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Anyway maybe you're just mistakenly pretending to cover your ass, I don't think you're this blind to basic logic and reason.
Carry on.
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lol burn 
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Please don't tell me that's the sum total of your catching up, Stutters.
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Whatever you see fit to talk about dear. And where you were for the day 1 lynch when fuba was on the block.
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On July 06 2013 01:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Come stutters, show us whos scum!
I dunno marv, the thing with me about JJD, is that all his stuff is REALLY BLATANT. Like its a hard defence of fuba and hard attack on WoS.
No that's the thing, he didn't hard-defend fuba at all. He was attacking fuba for much of the day before suddenly dropping him in favour of WoS.
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stop pretending to be stupid, WoS, it's boring ^_^
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On July 06 2013 01:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv, the post you linked was totally useful.
Its not like I didnt already believe you.
well it's pretty clear you're not reading when you're saying JJD hard-defended fuba.
On July 06 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:
stop pretending to be stupid, WoS, it's boring ^_^ marv, marv, marv. Please then, if you were in my position what would YOU do so as not to be 'stupid?'
I wouldn't say things like "it's likely scum will shoot me tonight" when that's obviously completely untrue 
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Question's already answered. In fact we discussed it extensively.
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On July 06 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
Question's already answered. In fact we discussed it extensively. Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier.
WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch.
Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day If you're referring to this, still not an answer. It doesn't make sense to save any of the blues (aside from Vivax who isn't a blue anymore). Most likely shot tonight for scum is Lazer if he is town and I can't save him because then you guys don't get your precious check on the off chance scum don't kill him. I don't see a scenario where I get a save off, and you guys agree to keep me alive. Please show me where I'm wrong though Marv, especially since you've already said it makes sense to kill me if I don't save anyone.
Protect into me or Vivax. You can't protect into Lazer (rb) and given he's essentially a sitting duck, it doesn't matter too much if he dies. gumshoe has his shot.
If scum shoot Lazer, Vivax is forced to be productive, so that's a plus. If scum shoot Vivax, we're only losing insanity. I'm probably the most likely scum-shot tonight.
Nor did I say at any point that we WILL lynch you if you don't make a save, just that it's considerably more attractive to do so.
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On July 06 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote:On July 06 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 06 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
Question's already answered. In fact we discussed it extensively. On July 05 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier.
WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch.
Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day If you're referring to this, still not an answer. It doesn't make sense to save any of the blues (aside from Vivax who isn't a blue anymore). Most likely shot tonight for scum is Lazer if he is town and I can't save him because then you guys don't get your precious check on the off chance scum don't kill him. I don't see a scenario where I get a save off, and you guys agree to keep me alive. Please show me where I'm wrong though Marv, especially since you've already said it makes sense to kill me if I don't save anyone. Protect into me or Vivax. You can't protect into Lazer (rb) and given he's essentially a sitting duck, it doesn't matter too much if he dies. gumshoe has his shot. If scum shoot Lazer, Vivax is forced to be productive, so that's a plus. If scum shoot Vivax, we're only losing insanity. I'm probably the most likely scum-shot tonight.Nor did I say at any point that we WILL lynch you if you don't make a save, just that it's considerably more attractive to do so. See, that's so retarded now you've confirmed you're just WIFOMing. That's all I wanted to know. Thanks marv!
None of that is WIFOM, I explain quite clearly. Don't throw around words you don't understand.
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On July 06 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote:On July 06 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 06 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote:On July 06 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 06 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
Question's already answered. In fact we discussed it extensively. On July 05 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier.
WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch.
Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day If you're referring to this, still not an answer. It doesn't make sense to save any of the blues (aside from Vivax who isn't a blue anymore). Most likely shot tonight for scum is Lazer if he is town and I can't save him because then you guys don't get your precious check on the off chance scum don't kill him. I don't see a scenario where I get a save off, and you guys agree to keep me alive. Please show me where I'm wrong though Marv, especially since you've already said it makes sense to kill me if I don't save anyone. Protect into me or Vivax. You can't protect into Lazer (rb) and given he's essentially a sitting duck, it doesn't matter too much if he dies. gumshoe has his shot. If scum shoot Lazer, Vivax is forced to be productive, so that's a plus. If scum shoot Vivax, we're only losing insanity. I'm probably the most likely scum-shot tonight.Nor did I say at any point that we WILL lynch you if you don't make a save, just that it's considerably more attractive to do so. See, that's so retarded now you've confirmed you're just WIFOMing. That's all I wanted to know. Thanks marv! None of that is WIFOM, I explain quite clearly. Don't throw around words you don't understand. If you don't know why that's WIFOM for scum by definition then I'm not sure how to help you.
It's not WIFOM, it's working out how and why people are likely to get shot. Anything is WIFOM if you take it down to the nuts and bolts. Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions remember. I wrote pretty clearly why.
gumshoe? No, he has a revenge shot.
s0lstice/JJD? Too much pressure on them.
Stutters? Why?
Oats? Doesn't read.
Lazer? It's possible.
Vivax? Also possible, but he's not doing anything for town atm.
marv? Looking very townie.
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I'm off for quite a bit, just tell us your views and what have you.
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On July 06 2013 04:35 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 04:20 Vivax wrote:On July 06 2013 03:52 Lazermonkey wrote:
Vivax, am I understanding it correctly when I say that me and marv still is your top 2 scum reads? I just need to see what happens tonight. You should actually claim and discuss your check target. Unless you can argue that there is a scum roleblocker. But there isn't and hence cop + miller + survivor become unlikely without scum able to do anything.. Else explain why u haven't been roleblocked N1 after claiming.You and marv wouldn't be able to survive in a better town. You don't need to roleblock me N1 though, it is totaly unnecesary and gives town more info on what roles scum have. But yhea, I'm kinda torn on who to check really. First I thought about s0lstice but his vote pattern doesn't seem like scum I'd say. I'm thinking about JJD or stutters atm. Thoughts? You think I should go for someone else? Like you say yourself, I really need to get a red check, not only because its fucking good but also because I'll more or less be able to confirm myself that way.
I've explained pretty clearly why s0lstice's voting could easily come from scum. Late, weak votes on fuba is all he's done basically.
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On July 06 2013 04:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 03:52 Lazermonkey wrote:
Vivax, am I understanding it correctly when I say that me and marv still is your top 2 scum reads? I just need to see what happens tonight. You should actually claim and discuss your check target. Unless you can argue that there is a scum roleblocker. But there isn't and hence cop + miller + survivor become unlikely without scum able to do anything.. Else explain why u haven't been roleblocked N1 after claiming. You and marv wouldn't be able to survive in a better town.
you literally have zero basis to assert this.
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Lazer, did you actually get a result or anything back day 1? How does it work?
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Yes, Vivax just ignores all reason at all times. It's his speciality.
I find it especially amusing how he says "you'd be dead in a better town" when he afked during day 2 and specifically voted against the scum lynch. Because of course it's the TOWN that's the problem, not the fact he's practically certifiable.
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On July 06 2013 04:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2013 04:42 marvellosity wrote:On July 06 2013 04:20 Vivax wrote:On July 06 2013 03:52 Lazermonkey wrote:
Vivax, am I understanding it correctly when I say that me and marv still is your top 2 scum reads? I just need to see what happens tonight. You should actually claim and discuss your check target. Unless you can argue that there is a scum roleblocker. But there isn't and hence cop + miller + survivor become unlikely without scum able to do anything.. Else explain why u haven't been roleblocked N1 after claiming. You and marv wouldn't be able to survive in a better town. you literally have zero basis to assert this. There was no N1 roleblock. There you have ur basis. Doesn't cost scum anything to RB the cop.
How do you know this?
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Answer the question.
How do you know they didn't roleblock Lazer?
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