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On July 09 2013 23:15 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 21:20 Lazermonkey wrote:
GG wp scum.
What do you guys think of my play?
I don't think this game was so scum favoured tbh, maybe slightly but town didn't really play that well.
WoS, I seriously belive you played survivor the "wrong" way. First off, as marv said earlier, you can die in two ways, either by lynch or by scum shooting you. One of these you can control, the other you cannot. TBH, the theory behind playing survivor should be kinda easy, at least in this setup..
1. Claim survivor. Scum now know you are survivor so they will not shoot you, the only way you can die is by getting lynched.
2. Play for town. Town now knows you are either scum or survivor and by playing for town you eliminate the risk of getting lynched.
If scum is winning, then take that as a nice bonus. But always play for town. This is at least my thoughts on the matter- I think he played pretty well because as soon as he saves someone he's pro town in my eyes and I have to shoot him. Sure we waste 1kp, but after a save he's demonstrated that he's pro town and I'd rather take the chance on being absolutely sure and not risk getting stopped again and wasting a second anyway. As you saw he was completely safe claiming d2. The only reason he almost got lynched was town indecisiveness about who was scum and the numbers not working in his favor on the second to last day. That probably would be the same scenario if he was pro-town all game too though as it was the best play available for town if they weren't sure between JJD/S0l. His d2 claim was also really good. We instantly knew he was 3p when he claimed RB and left us with the ability to corroborate his story but we fucked it up. Well, I almost can get this if you are in a really really tough situation as scum because a survivor is essentially aligned with the team that is doing best at the moment. But at point where it is somewhat equal or if scum is ahead (all this game, for example) I'd say its madness to be aiming on the survivor.
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Actually, one thing that struck me also is how bad an argument like "you are not thinking from the X PoV right now, therefore you are scum" really is. It was stuff like that which almost killed both me and Rayn on D1 and I even fell for it myself during D2 when I thought WoS was scum just because he played the "wrong" way. Even with the same role, some people just plays a different way than you, and just because they do, its not a scum tell at all.
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On July 10 2013 00:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 10 2013 00:16 Lazermonkey wrote:
Actually, one thing that struck me also is how bad an argument like "you are not thinking from the X PoV right now, therefore you are scum" really is. It was stuff like that which almost killed both me and Rayn on D1 and I even fell for it myself during D2 when I thought WoS was scum just because he played the "wrong" way. Even with the same role, some people just plays a different way than you, and just because they do, its not a scum tell at all. This is a very interesting point---I get suspected a lot I think in part because I don't think the way people expect me to think I guess? (It often works in my favour because I don't get lynched or NKed) A lot of people however (including me at times) do their scumhunting by trying to think from a scum or town POV. How can you really avoid falling into the trap of thinking people are scum just because they don't act the way you expect them to? It's not a 'trap', because it's a legitimate way to find mafia. You just have to qualify it with "would *this person* think like this". Pretty decent example was you claiming a shot on me. My assessment was that WoS wouldn't do that as town, and that was correct. But then you would really need to know said persons play if you are ever going to pull an argument like that off, otherwise it feels like it would be WIFOM really. Over half of the players that was on me for "not thinking the correct way" was players I had never played with before...
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On July 10 2013 00:40 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 10 2013 00:33 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 10 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote:On July 10 2013 00:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
lets just hope you guys stop trying to use that on me when I will never play the same way twice. Out of curiosity, how might you say you'd have played differently on day 1 this game if you were mafia? On July 02 2013 01:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
can we agree collectively as a game to not claim roles in this open setup? It's pretty broken and I didn't sign up for a lets all claim and lynch at 50/50 game.
With that said I am mainly looking at lazer/WoS now.
Lazer's posting has been fairly more townie as of recently but the fact that he OMGUS'd me from my accusations is a bit alarming when he gave very little reasoning. It seems like he's trying to keep himself on the good side of most of the people in the game so instead of scum hunting he just goes right back at the accuser.
As for WoS I am not really a fan of what he's done so far, he has been very passive yet exceedingly angry which is somewhat how he played in Les Mis. The fact that he says I am playing differently and doesn't know what to make of it leads me to believe that he knows I am town somehow, might have been a scumslip. this post tells you im town, 100% I wouldn't give a shit if i was scum think of it this way, why would I care about massclaim if I was scum? I dont have to solve the game, so it doesnt ruin my fun at all. it COMPLETELY ruins the fun of the game as town. Haha you SAY you wouldn't give a shit, but remember we weren't given any fakeclaims at that point. I'm starting to see what you're saying about how you play differently every time, but wouldn't you say that's part of the reason people have trouble reading you as town? I don't see any fun in being grush. if the massclaim thing happened I would just CC a role and be done with it, I could care less about losing to abusing a game mechanic. I only care if people legitimately find me as scum through scumhunting, then I need to improve my play. also my last post before I died.. Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'd say stutters/fuba/lazer at this point. WoS hasn't posted enough wouldn't give us much info besides a bit on lazer, that's about it WHY DID I HAVE TO GET LYNCHED Your reads were quite good actually but having good reads is just half the game, you have to convince other that your reads are correct as well. And you don't do that by going AFK 2 hours before lynch without saying anything about why you are going AFK or when you are comming back. I'm sorry, but I think you know quite well why you got lynched.
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On July 10 2013 01:08 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:49 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 10 2013 00:40 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 10 2013 00:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 10 2013 00:33 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 10 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote:On July 10 2013 00:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
lets just hope you guys stop trying to use that on me when I will never play the same way twice. Out of curiosity, how might you say you'd have played differently on day 1 this game if you were mafia? On July 02 2013 01:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
can we agree collectively as a game to not claim roles in this open setup? It's pretty broken and I didn't sign up for a lets all claim and lynch at 50/50 game.
With that said I am mainly looking at lazer/WoS now.
Lazer's posting has been fairly more townie as of recently but the fact that he OMGUS'd me from my accusations is a bit alarming when he gave very little reasoning. It seems like he's trying to keep himself on the good side of most of the people in the game so instead of scum hunting he just goes right back at the accuser.
As for WoS I am not really a fan of what he's done so far, he has been very passive yet exceedingly angry which is somewhat how he played in Les Mis. The fact that he says I am playing differently and doesn't know what to make of it leads me to believe that he knows I am town somehow, might have been a scumslip. this post tells you im town, 100% I wouldn't give a shit if i was scum think of it this way, why would I care about massclaim if I was scum? I dont have to solve the game, so it doesnt ruin my fun at all. it COMPLETELY ruins the fun of the game as town. Haha you SAY you wouldn't give a shit, but remember we weren't given any fakeclaims at that point. I'm starting to see what you're saying about how you play differently every time, but wouldn't you say that's part of the reason people have trouble reading you as town? I don't see any fun in being grush. if the massclaim thing happened I would just CC a role and be done with it, I could care less about losing to abusing a game mechanic. I only care if people legitimately find me as scum through scumhunting, then I need to improve my play. also my last post before I died.. On July 02 2013 05:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'd say stutters/fuba/lazer at this point. WoS hasn't posted enough wouldn't give us much info besides a bit on lazer, that's about it WHY DID I HAVE TO GET LYNCHED Your reads were quite good actually but having good reads is just half the game, you have to convince other that your reads are correct as well. And you don't do that by going AFK 2 hours before lynch without saying anything about why you are going AFK or when you are comming back. I'm sorry, but I think you know quite well why you got lynched. I left the thread being in absolutely zero danger of being lynched to go get groceries, should I tell you guys when im taking a shit too? the fact that you guys decided I was scum in about 1 hour when you have 48 should tell you why town lost this game If you need to shit for two hours, 2 hours before lynch, then yes you probably should tell us.
And don't pretend that you going away was the only reason you got lynched, because that isn't true and you know it...
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