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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 05 2013 16:09 GMT
#2121
wait really?
huh.
So JJD, why did you switch?
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 16:11 GMT
#2122
On July 06 2013 01:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait really?
huh.
So JJD, why did you switch?


I posted about it like an hour ago. How do you miss these things?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418641&currentpage=105#2093

Also how do you miss it in JJD's filter? There's no point asking questions if you're not going to read things, Oats.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 05 2013 16:12 GMT
#2123
Alright I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing tonight.
I'm going to post it exactly at or immediately after deadline (hopefully before the daypost) and you guys can then work it out what you want to do with me if I live. In any case I doubt I'm going to be saving anyone (because most likely thing for scum to do tonight is either kill me or kill Lazer if he's town) so it's not like whatever I do or don't do will make a difference.
Ultimately you guys will decide to lynch me or not if I survive the night regardless of the night actions.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 16:13 GMT
#2124
stop pretending to be stupid, WoS, it's boring ^_^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 05 2013 16:13 GMT
#2125
On July 06 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:
stop pretending to be stupid, WoS, it's boring ^_^

marv, marv, marv.
Please then, if you were in my position what would YOU do so as not to be 'stupid?'
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 05 2013 16:15 GMT
#2126
marv, the post you linked was totally useful.

Its not like I didnt already believe you.
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 16:18 GMT
#2127
On July 06 2013 01:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv, the post you linked was totally useful.

Its not like I didnt already believe you.


well it's pretty clear you're not reading when you're saying JJD hard-defended fuba.
On July 06 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:
stop pretending to be stupid, WoS, it's boring ^_^

marv, marv, marv.
Please then, if you were in my position what would YOU do so as not to be 'stupid?'


I wouldn't say things like "it's likely scum will shoot me tonight" when that's obviously completely untrue
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 05 2013 16:23 GMT
#2128
On July 06 2013 01:18 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 01:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv, the post you linked was totally useful.

Its not like I didnt already believe you.


well it's pretty clear you're not reading when you're saying JJD hard-defended fuba.
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 06 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:
stop pretending to be stupid, WoS, it's boring ^_^

marv, marv, marv.
Please then, if you were in my position what would YOU do so as not to be 'stupid?'


I wouldn't say things like "it's likely scum will shoot me tonight" when that's obviously completely untrue

No, that's not an answer. Marv, what would YOU do in my position with your night action tonight that would not get you lynched tomorrow as a survivor?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 16:25 GMT
#2129
Question's already answered. In fact we discussed it extensively.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 05 2013 16:29 GMT
#2130
On July 06 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
Question's already answered. In fact we discussed it extensively.

On July 05 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier.

WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch.

Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day

If you're referring to this, still not an answer. It doesn't make sense to save any of the blues (aside from Vivax who isn't a blue anymore). Most likely shot tonight for scum is Lazer if he is town and I can't save him because then you guys don't get your precious check on the off chance scum don't kill him. I don't see a scenario where I get a save off, and you guys agree to keep me alive. Please show me where I'm wrong though Marv, especially since you've already said it makes sense to kill me if I don't save anyone.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
July 05 2013 16:30 GMT
#2131
I'd like to talk about WoS just a tad bit more. I think you're with me on thinking that this would be the worst bus in the history of mafia but I still don't get his play. He has no reason to be scared of mafia, we have no incentive to lynch him unless we're 100% sure he's mafia.

If I was him yesterday, as soon as Fuba claimed and was confirmed scum to him it's like he gave up on trying argue his way or of it. That's not at all what I would have done as 3p when if he tried to talk his way out of it and was successful town can't save anymore kp, he doesn't block and scum claim the next day and the 4 laugh to victory. And even if he fails to talk himself out of it, he has a counterclaim still with solid reasoning behind why he didn't expose him. Granted scum could have truly sold it by having Fuba claim a RB on WoS but his emphasis on how he didn't want to throw scum under the bus yet made no effort to actually do anything makes me think he wanted Fuba to die, which a 3p shouldn't. I'm having a hard time reconciling his actions from a 3p perspective when given what he knew at the time his quickest way to victory was to not claim.

Do you think there was no way he wasn't getting lynched without the claim despite how much time was left in the day?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 16:32 GMT
#2132
On July 06 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
Question's already answered. In fact we discussed it extensively.

Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier.

WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch.

Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day

If you're referring to this, still not an answer. It doesn't make sense to save any of the blues (aside from Vivax who isn't a blue anymore). Most likely shot tonight for scum is Lazer if he is town and I can't save him because then you guys don't get your precious check on the off chance scum don't kill him. I don't see a scenario where I get a save off, and you guys agree to keep me alive. Please show me where I'm wrong though Marv, especially since you've already said it makes sense to kill me if I don't save anyone.


Protect into me or Vivax. You can't protect into Lazer (rb) and given he's essentially a sitting duck, it doesn't matter too much if he dies. gumshoe has his shot.

If scum shoot Lazer, Vivax is forced to be productive, so that's a plus. If scum shoot Vivax, we're only losing insanity. I'm probably the most likely scum-shot tonight.

Nor did I say at any point that we WILL lynch you if you don't make a save, just that it's considerably more attractive to do so.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 05 2013 16:33 GMT
#2133
On July 06 2013 01:30 Stutters695 wrote:
I'd like to talk about WoS just a tad bit more. I think you're with me on thinking that this would be the worst bus in the history of mafia but I still don't get his play. He has no reason to be scared of mafia, we have no incentive to lynch him unless we're 100% sure he's mafia.

If I was him yesterday, as soon as Fuba claimed and was confirmed scum to him it's like he gave up on trying argue his way or of it. That's not at all what I would have done as 3p when if he tried to talk his way out of it and was successful town can't save anymore kp, he doesn't block and scum claim the next day and the 4 laugh to victory. And even if he fails to talk himself out of it, he has a counterclaim still with solid reasoning behind why he didn't expose him. Granted scum could have truly sold it by having Fuba claim a RB on WoS but his emphasis on how he didn't want to throw scum under the bus yet made no effort to actually do anything makes me think he wanted Fuba to die, which a 3p shouldn't. I'm having a hard time reconciling his actions from a 3p perspective when given what he knew at the time his quickest way to victory was to not claim.

Do you think there was no way he wasn't getting lynched without the claim despite how much time was left in the day?

lol Stutters.
First of all you seem to think I could have talked my way out of it.
Secondly, if I had waited until the last second to counterclaim fuba do you really think it would have been enough time to get people to switch or to believe me?

I wasn't taking that chance.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 05 2013 16:34 GMT
#2134
On July 06 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 06 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
Question's already answered. In fact we discussed it extensively.

On July 05 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier.

WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch.

Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day

If you're referring to this, still not an answer. It doesn't make sense to save any of the blues (aside from Vivax who isn't a blue anymore). Most likely shot tonight for scum is Lazer if he is town and I can't save him because then you guys don't get your precious check on the off chance scum don't kill him. I don't see a scenario where I get a save off, and you guys agree to keep me alive. Please show me where I'm wrong though Marv, especially since you've already said it makes sense to kill me if I don't save anyone.


Protect into me or Vivax. You can't protect into Lazer (rb) and given he's essentially a sitting duck, it doesn't matter too much if he dies. gumshoe has his shot.

If scum shoot Lazer, Vivax is forced to be productive, so that's a plus. If scum shoot Vivax, we're only losing insanity. I'm probably the most likely scum-shot tonight.

Nor did I say at any point that we WILL lynch you if you don't make a save, just that it's considerably more attractive to do so.

See, that's so retarded now you've confirmed you're just WIFOMing. That's all I wanted to know. Thanks marv!
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 16:35 GMT
#2135
On July 06 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote:
On July 06 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 06 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
Question's already answered. In fact we discussed it extensively.

On July 05 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier.

WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch.

Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day

If you're referring to this, still not an answer. It doesn't make sense to save any of the blues (aside from Vivax who isn't a blue anymore). Most likely shot tonight for scum is Lazer if he is town and I can't save him because then you guys don't get your precious check on the off chance scum don't kill him. I don't see a scenario where I get a save off, and you guys agree to keep me alive. Please show me where I'm wrong though Marv, especially since you've already said it makes sense to kill me if I don't save anyone.


Protect into me or Vivax. You can't protect into Lazer (rb) and given he's essentially a sitting duck, it doesn't matter too much if he dies. gumshoe has his shot.

If scum shoot Lazer, Vivax is forced to be productive, so that's a plus. If scum shoot Vivax, we're only losing insanity. I'm probably the most likely scum-shot tonight.

Nor did I say at any point that we WILL lynch you if you don't make a save, just that it's considerably more attractive to do so.

See, that's so retarded now you've confirmed you're just WIFOMing. That's all I wanted to know. Thanks marv!


None of that is WIFOM, I explain quite clearly. Don't throw around words you don't understand.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 05 2013 16:37 GMT
#2136
On July 06 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 06 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote:
On July 06 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 06 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
Question's already answered. In fact we discussed it extensively.

On July 05 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier.

WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch.

Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day

If you're referring to this, still not an answer. It doesn't make sense to save any of the blues (aside from Vivax who isn't a blue anymore). Most likely shot tonight for scum is Lazer if he is town and I can't save him because then you guys don't get your precious check on the off chance scum don't kill him. I don't see a scenario where I get a save off, and you guys agree to keep me alive. Please show me where I'm wrong though Marv, especially since you've already said it makes sense to kill me if I don't save anyone.


Protect into me or Vivax. You can't protect into Lazer (rb) and given he's essentially a sitting duck, it doesn't matter too much if he dies. gumshoe has his shot.

If scum shoot Lazer, Vivax is forced to be productive, so that's a plus. If scum shoot Vivax, we're only losing insanity. I'm probably the most likely scum-shot tonight.

Nor did I say at any point that we WILL lynch you if you don't make a save, just that it's considerably more attractive to do so.

See, that's so retarded now you've confirmed you're just WIFOMing. That's all I wanted to know. Thanks marv!


None of that is WIFOM, I explain quite clearly. Don't throw around words you don't understand.

If you don't know why that's WIFOM for scum by definition then I'm not sure how to help you.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 16:39 GMT
#2137
On July 06 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote:
On July 06 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 06 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote:
On July 06 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 06 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
Question's already answered. In fact we discussed it extensively.

On July 05 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe you should ask the person who claims it's totally broken without any reasoning as to why it would be broken and despite an extremely experienced player offering his experience on setups earlier.

WaveofShadow - you should try to save a townie tonight, otherwise town can lynch you tomorrow without any repurcussions... if you get a save off though, then you get us an extra lynch.

Might actually be a decent idea to lynch WoS regardless. It'll be MYLO tomorrow and we don't have to worry about reducing KP anymore; and lynching the survivor wouldn't lose us the game, same as today. Also if WoS flips survivor then JJD is pretty much an auto-lynch the next day

If you're referring to this, still not an answer. It doesn't make sense to save any of the blues (aside from Vivax who isn't a blue anymore). Most likely shot tonight for scum is Lazer if he is town and I can't save him because then you guys don't get your precious check on the off chance scum don't kill him. I don't see a scenario where I get a save off, and you guys agree to keep me alive. Please show me where I'm wrong though Marv, especially since you've already said it makes sense to kill me if I don't save anyone.


Protect into me or Vivax. You can't protect into Lazer (rb) and given he's essentially a sitting duck, it doesn't matter too much if he dies. gumshoe has his shot.

If scum shoot Lazer, Vivax is forced to be productive, so that's a plus. If scum shoot Vivax, we're only losing insanity. I'm probably the most likely scum-shot tonight.

Nor did I say at any point that we WILL lynch you if you don't make a save, just that it's considerably more attractive to do so.

See, that's so retarded now you've confirmed you're just WIFOMing. That's all I wanted to know. Thanks marv!


None of that is WIFOM, I explain quite clearly. Don't throw around words you don't understand.

If you don't know why that's WIFOM for scum by definition then I'm not sure how to help you.


It's not WIFOM, it's working out how and why people are likely to get shot. Anything is WIFOM if you take it down to the nuts and bolts. Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions remember. I wrote pretty clearly why.

gumshoe? No, he has a revenge shot.
s0lstice/JJD? Too much pressure on them.
Stutters? Why?
Oats? Doesn't read.
Lazer? It's possible.
Vivax? Also possible, but he's not doing anything for town atm.
marv? Looking very townie.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
July 05 2013 16:49 GMT
#2138
Not waiting til the last second but off of memory didn't you claim over 24hrs before the flip? That would have been plenty of time to try and talk yourself out of it and claim out of it if that failed. I know you're not dumb so you had to have considered this. I just don't get it.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 05 2013 16:53 GMT
#2139
On July 06 2013 01:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Not waiting til the last second but off of memory didn't you claim over 24hrs before the flip? That would have been plenty of time to try and talk yourself out of it and claim out of it if that failed. I know you're not dumb so you had to have considered this. I just don't get it.

I did consider it. You either vastly overestimate my ability or underestimate the tenacity of a typical town.
Stutters, go talk with marv about something else. Be helpful or town will be vewy angwy with you. I'm honestly really sick of talking about me. It was fun for a while but yeah I'm done.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
July 05 2013 17:09 GMT
#2140
Yes masa. Marv want to talk about JJD then S0l?
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