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On July 05 2013 07:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 07:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 05 2013 07:23 marvellosity wrote:On July 05 2013 07:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Good lord people. If you believe WoS that he didn't get his fake role untill after the mass claim was brought up then I'm still confirmed town.
Though I'm pretty sure he's still scum. Can't tell if srs. Which part are you doubting? You don't believe that if I claimed my role at a time that is supposedly before mafia was given their fakeclaims it confirms my townie status? or did you mean about WoS still being scum? I assume mafia were given their fakeclaims during the 'pause', or failing that at the start of the game, both before you claimed? Did WoS claim a specific other time? That was the central cog in my case against him.
On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own.
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On July 05 2013 07:32 Vivax wrote:
Well gj.
It will be funny after this night when cop doesn't get roleblocked or killed though (according to my theory), with my theory, all he can effectively do is confirm townies with his role, or Landa.
And marv the supertownie millerclaimer will stay alive too.
And what WoS is going to do : He needs to guarantee us that he won't roleblock the cop.
I wish you much fun making plans in your hidden pits, scum. This night might give you trouble.
Rayn might have hit 3 /3 before dying.
See here's the thing. I feel like I should somehow be giving scum a sporting chance since they just took such a hit. (Even though it was entirely their own fault.) But my problem is I don't know how scum wants me to help them!
So I guess I can't really do anything unless they let me know what to do somehow.
You know for a guy who was ranting and raving about how I was scum Vivax, I'm surprised you'd be willing to trust me even if I DID guarantee you something.
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On July 05 2013 07:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 07:38 marvellosity wrote:On July 05 2013 07:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 05 2013 07:23 marvellosity wrote:On July 05 2013 07:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Good lord people. If you believe WoS that he didn't get his fake role untill after the mass claim was brought up then I'm still confirmed town.
Though I'm pretty sure he's still scum. Can't tell if srs. Which part are you doubting? You don't believe that if I claimed my role at a time that is supposedly before mafia was given their fakeclaims it confirms my townie status? or did you mean about WoS still being scum? I assume mafia were given their fakeclaims during the 'pause', or failing that at the start of the game, both before you claimed? Did WoS claim a specific other time? That was the central cog in my case against him. Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own.
JJD I just remembered something that might give you townie points.
You'll have to work for them though.
Ask iGrok what I told you to earlier; whether or not I can reveal the time I got my fakeclaims.
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Oh and I realized something else too.
IGrok wrote in thread a little while ago that I can't JK myself and I joked that gumshoe asked because he didn't realize Oats was trolling about me blocking myself.
Then I realized no one claimed who asked because scum asked him. They want to shoot me tonight.
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On July 05 2013 07:48 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 07:32 Vivax wrote:
Well gj.
It will be funny after this night when cop doesn't get roleblocked or killed though (according to my theory), with my theory, all he can effectively do is confirm townies with his role, or Landa.
And marv the supertownie millerclaimer will stay alive too.
And what WoS is going to do : He needs to guarantee us that he won't roleblock the cop.
I wish you much fun making plans in your hidden pits, scum. This night might give you trouble.
Rayn might have hit 3 /3 before dying. See here's the thing. I feel like I should somehow be giving scum a sporting chance since they just took such a hit. (Even though it was entirely their own fault.) But my problem is I don't know how scum wants me to help them! So I guess I can't really do anything unless they let me know what to do somehow. You know for a guy who was ranting and raving about how I was scum Vivax, I'm surprised you'd be willing to trust me even if I DID guarantee you something.
I'll trust you if you roleblock someone tonight.
The only sporting chance you can give scum is to roleblock the DT.
Scum Lazer can claim RB "Sorry bro no check". If he's town then you did scum a favour.
We should ask him what he thinks of it hehehe...
The thing is, whatever you do, you will have to conceal your real intentions.
Let's assume for a moment you will jail me and stop the next attempted shot from scum.
Scum will shoot you if they know you do that.
Needless to say that if you help scum and not town, you'll be on the lynching list tomorrow.
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On July 05 2013 07:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 07:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 05 2013 07:38 marvellosity wrote:On July 05 2013 07:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 05 2013 07:23 marvellosity wrote:On July 05 2013 07:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Good lord people. If you believe WoS that he didn't get his fake role untill after the mass claim was brought up then I'm still confirmed town.
Though I'm pretty sure he's still scum. Can't tell if srs. Which part are you doubting? You don't believe that if I claimed my role at a time that is supposedly before mafia was given their fakeclaims it confirms my townie status? or did you mean about WoS still being scum? I assume mafia were given their fakeclaims during the 'pause', or failing that at the start of the game, both before you claimed? Did WoS claim a specific other time? That was the central cog in my case against him. On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. JJD I just remembered something that might give you townie points. You'll have to work for them though. Ask iGrok what I told you to earlier; whether or not I can reveal the time I got my fakeclaims.
Isn't JJD's point rather that you did already say when you got the fakeclaims, and it was later on?
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I don't even know what JJDs point is.
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I'm saying that's his point. You specifically said you only got your fakeclaims way later.
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I did get them later. Why did that make me scum again?
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Digging this up from the D1 deadline.
Situation: Lynch candidates Lazer Fuba WoS
Marv comes in and proposes Vayne, the mislynch, claiming to be unsure on the others, yet still not digging further into them when deadline is "extended".
On July 02 2013 05:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:42 Vivax wrote:On July 02 2013 05:40 marvellosity wrote:On July 02 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 02 2013 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 02 2013 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you marv think about Lazer having Vayne as a scumread for all the game and not pushing him at any point until 30min before the lynch? That does not raise red flags at all? You realize I was gone all day, right? Yet you have posted a lot yesterday. Instead of pushing Vayne you hopped on JarJar "because nobody would lynch Vayne with you". On July 02 2013 05:36 marvellosity wrote:On July 02 2013 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He has similar suspects to me, besides Stutters. He has good reasoning behind his posts. He is looking into places i think are right. you mean this? Yes. they're shocking reasons and you need to re-read his filter. No, you need to post reasons to lynch Vayne. You just finished reading the game and pretend to know that WoS and Vayne are scum. First you ask for WoS to be lynched. When that doesn't work, you start pushing Vayne. You clearly don't want to lynch neither Lazer nor fuba. Not sure about fuba and Lazer is trying too hard.
Vayne doesn't care about the game and Vayne is always at the forefront of town when he's town (and much less so as scum). I understand from something in his filter that he was away at some point, but having returned he's just given lists of people he's happy to lynch into and nothing else of substance. His standing in town is precisely the opposite of what I expect from town-Vayne and much more what I'd expect from scum-Vayne. I can't point to anything in his filter that I found townie, in addition I already pointed out soemthing that I think flies totally in the face of his town MO.
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Oh you mean about JJD being town.
Yeah.
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Oh and he psoted this previously:
On July 02 2013 05:41 marvellosity wrote:
fuba, you need to justify your scumreads to me because your posting is extremely dense and more obfuscating than i usually find it.
I'd think that such a post implies marv finding something suspicious, but afterwards, he doesn't pursue anything of that sort, or look for examples why fuba could be scum.
He picks Vayne and pulls it through, effectively booting out the other two options which probably were his scumbuddies.
On July 02 2013 05:58 marvellosity wrote:
Just sheep me and I can deal with the flak whatever the flip is.
Also I'll be able to read fuba tomorrow much better than Vayne xDDD
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On July 05 2013 07:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 07:33 marvellosity wrote:
Your theory is already debunked because fuba wasn't one of your 3 and he just flipped.
Gonna start playing yet, Vivax? Why did you bus him though. Gotta take a better look at it. Lazer + marv is still entirely possible.
He bussed him because I convinced him. Or do you feel that you and Marv are the only people in this game capable of affecting it's outcome? Why are you stretching so godamm far? Why overcomplicate the narrative? Scum would try and keep 2kp and not buss one of they're own unless absolutely necessary. Period.
Stop trying to make scum Marv happen, it's not going to happen.
Also as a note to everyone, I'm pretty darn set on Jar Jar, he was my strongest early read and you all know how one can be about they're first true love, but I really dont want to be Vivax, so I'll try and look at everyone else including Lazer and I'm still open to a case in Jar Jar's defence. Unless it's comes from him : P.
That said I'm confident that between Solstice and Jar Jar, one has to be scum.
Btw we are still effectively in Lylo T_T .
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gumshoe, what do you make of JJD's point about the fakeclaims stuff?
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Oh and I forgot, where are my manners. (And everyone else's as well.)
GG fuba. Sorry your team stuck you with the short end of the fakeclaim stick and you had activity problems. I know them feels, bro.
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In response to Vivax.
On July 04 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 10:15 gumshoe wrote:Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok. (If you guys believe 3 blues is balanced then Vivax and gumshoe are town as well. If not, well then you guys have another problem on your hands. ) This is why there was no counterclaiming of any roles; as I stated before, there are just enough green/blue roles for everyone (including scum/3p) to claim. The order of people claiming means exactly DICK ALL for this reason, so those of you who said solstice is town 'cause he claimed early? Yeah, no. Note the bolded, this right here is appeasement of scum. The big wtf change to the game occurred at 08:38 on July 1st Jar Jars claim occurred on July 1st 23:47 Jar Jar Lazer happened on July second at 05:56. Both after. No one is clear except Marv, whose claim happened at the very start of the game. Course this begs the question, why did Fuba claim survivor if he had a fake? We can only assume he was given the other miller role, which really really sucks for him. Technically scum would have been able to share whatever fakeclaims they got; I'd assume fuba really did get back and that was all that was left to him so they decided outing me by fakeclaiming 3P was the best thing to do since miller claiming would probably get him lynched anyway. Yeah as for Lazer/JJD claims I don't know. I wasn't even around at that point and didn't bother to check the timestamps lol. Meh. 
So I press him here on what Jar Jars talking about, he ends up coming off somewhere in the middle by the end. My honest opinion is that hes trying to cover for scum so that they dont shoot him. Again, why make things easy on any paticular side? He only helped us today because it's his ass on the line.
They'res only one thing pretty much for certain. The fake claims were a result of the pause. Nothing else would warrant a pause. Night 2 began 24 hours after the pause. WOS claims he got his role later in the day, not a day later. Also Jar Jar's claim occurred a while before night 2. Jar Jar would have us believe Igrock, survivor and scum did not foresee the issue of mass claims. I find that requires me to believe extraordinarily unflattering things about my fellow players and our majestic overlord.
Also WOS is probably lying to cover his own ass, the dude doesn't want to help us. Above all take away the fake claims, just judge Jar Jar on his own merit. Do not rely on a flip flopping scum teasing survivor.
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On July 05 2013 08:45 gumshoe wrote:
Also WOS is probably lying to cover his own ass, the dude doesn't want to help us. Above all take away the fake claims, just judge Jar Jar on his own merit. Do not rely on a flip flopping scum teasing survivor.
Sounds like a good plan. So when you took your vote off of me originally, I assume it's because you believed my claim. So why don't you believe it now? Did something change your mind?
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On July 05 2013 08:49 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 08:45 gumshoe wrote:
Also WOS is probably lying to cover his own ass, the dude doesn't want to help us. Above all take away the fake claims, just judge Jar Jar on his own merit. Do not rely on a flip flopping scum teasing survivor.
Sounds like a good plan. So when you took your vote off of me originally, I assume it's because you believed my claim. So why don't you believe it now? Did something change your mind?
................I took my vote off you because you claimed before we knew they're were fake claims in the game........................
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Thats literally the only reason why.
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