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yeah not following you blindly. Though I do remember liking you from the mafia games i played a while back. also, you didn't answer my question. | ||
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what are you talking about? is there really no straight answer :| okay whatever just scum hunt, got it. and: "It is Day 1! Deadline is Saturday, Jun 08 2:59pm PDT (GMT-07:00)" <- june 8th isn't saturday | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: johnnywup, how much mafia have you played? I've played like 3-5 games before this but I think they were like a year ago | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:10 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote: johnnywup dat filler opening post. There's no reason to ask about the win condition in the thread when you can simply PM a mod/read the OP. Seems like a scum entrance to me. Damn, that tunnel. Do you have any reason that I'm scum other than that I asked a question about win conditions? Win conditions are, well, pretty important in a game where you want to win. And for the record, I did PM a mod but I wasn't given an answer. On July 07 2013 09:04 Xatalos wrote: Who are you implying is scummy based on that? (As a sidenote, how can there be no scumtells and yet be scummy activity at the same time........) What I mean is that it's somewhat scummy for people to tunnel on random shit but I don't think that indicates scum atm. I'm saying that that, a relatively small thing imo, is the most major thing that has indicated scum so far for me, which isn't much. As such I didn't really think anyone's been really scummy. Though since then a lot of shit has happened so I'll have to revise that statement lol... | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:39 VayneAuthority wrote: doesn't Z-boson just look like a name that's going to flip scum? what the fuck are you talking about? I just checked your filter and your criticism of my asking the rules as my first post was YOUR first post. What are you even doing this game? | ||
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On July 07 2013 10:04 WaveofShadow wrote: ALL ABOARD THE TRAIN OF JUSTICE WOO WOOOOOOO!!! ##Vote: johnnywup Why wait until two others voted me to vote me? You already thought I was scum. I really do think vayne is scummy atm though. Nothing productive at all. (say what you want about me but you can't deny that vayne hasn't done shit). Look through his filter. I don't know if he's just lazy/bad town or purposefully doing nothing but not liking him :\ WoS is also not looking very good for me atm but I can't really put a finger to why. His sarcasm is questionable for me and obviously I don't like him voting for me (don't like anyone voting for me though, obviously). The only constructive post he has is the one that targets me, which is good, but for the rest of his filter he's sarcastic, talking about other games, etc. I don't know. | ||
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On July 07 2013 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Well since you caught me I feel it's only fair. It's me, Ace, SnB, CaucasianAsian, and of course I'm bussing johnnywup. could you please stop shitting up this thread? | ||
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 andel Ion said he's going to stop posting during dayphase which is pretty stupid. I mean, of course an excuse to not post is scummy as hell but I don't think he would be stupid enough to do that if he was scum >_> *I'd like him, Ghost_403, Oatsmaster, Stutters695, Z-Boson, Abenson, MajuGarzett, Strongandbig, gumshoe (he has posted a bit...but not about the game at hand...), CaucasianAsian, Nirvana.Gabo, FirmTofu all to start posting more. They haven't really given us any content to go off of. And that's like half the people in the game... *I'm not sure what to think about Chezinu's nuke and it makes no sense to me, so I'm not going to try to make sense of it for now. Oh crap, I just noticed Abenson voted me without saying in thread >_>. Would you like to give your reasons? You have given no indication of any opinion at all in this thread. I'd like you to tell me what you think about everyone. There's 5 people voting me right now. Since I'm town, there's probably 2-3 scum voting for me and 2-3 misguided townies. Among the people who voted for me, I think WoS, TanGeng are the most scummy. I've already said why I don't like WoS, and I don't like TanGeng because for one thing he hopped on my bandwagon right after WoS wanted to start it...and he also hasn't said much. He's just been...there. He hasn't said anything of value. I'm pretty sure xatalos is town. I'm unsure about vayne.. I don't like him by any stretch of the imagination but he seems too bold voting me first...I don't know, he may be scum still. Abenson hasn't posted much...like at all. I can't really read him based on his posts in thread but he certainly looks like scum to me for quietly hopping on the bandwagon to vote me without saying anything. So if I were to say whos townie and whos scum out of those 5 I'd say Xatalos and Vayne are town and the other 3 are scum, but I need more to go on from Abenson but he really hasn't given me a good first impression. I've felt pretty strongly about WoS being scum since last night so I'm going to go ahead and put my vote there ##vote WaveofShadow | ||
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If you can find something that I've done that screams scum over bad townie, go for my lynch (hint: there is none). I may be the best lynch even lacking that. But when I flip town (assuming I'm lynched), know that it was as much your fault as scum, townies, for following this bandwagon. Oh yeah, and WoS is the one who is trying to push it in a major way, more than anyone else. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript town Gumshoe town Not sure on everyone else yet Be back again sooooooooooooooooooooon On July 07 2013 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Nope, not ready to lynch Rayn---I can read him pretty decently for the most part I feel so I'm gonna let him stick around. I remember thinking someone else was pretty scummy actually (and I still think it's MORE likely that Chez is scum than he isn't but whatever)...oh yeah, johnnywup. This is some scummy shit, yo. Like....it's true, but it's such a 'Hey guys, let's be iirends' way of saying it. Also kind of funny is he says he doesn't see any scumtells yet calls everyone scummy. Wat. On July 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote: You know what's funny? Both of the people voting for me currently have provided absolutely zero reasoning as to why I'm scum. So essentially...glorified OMGUS, and he's voting me based on that and what might be a shitty gutread. Cool story brehhhh. This is literally the only reason I found for Geript to me voting me. Something fishhyyyy going on. And I don't think it's Geript. EVERYTHING else has been sarcasm/joking/talking about other games/trying to get people to bandwagon me/etc. I'll skip the first post because it's only arguably substantial. I mean, the other two are somewhat large posts (mostly because of the quotes) but all he really says is -quote- "This is some scummy shit, yo. Like....it's true, but it's such a 'Hey guys, let's be iirends' way of saying it. Also kind of funny is he says he doesn't see any scumtells yet calls everyone scummy. Wat." Which doesn't really say anything either. He is obviously wanting to get people against me at this point but isn't willing to come straight out and say I'm scum. And even what he's saying isn't that substantial...he missed what I was saying. "-quote- So essentially...glorified OMGUS, and he's voting me based on that and what might be a shitty gutread. Cool story brehhhh. -quote- This is literally the only reason I found for Geript to me voting me. Something fishhyyyy going on. And I don't think it's Geript." Don't you see it? HE'S NOT SAYING ANYTHING. He skips over everything I said and said "lol so ur calling me bad. ur scum" And he's not speculating on anything either, he's just saying "wow this is fishy! 2 people are voting me!" He hasn't made any post that says anything. This is every single post. He hasn't really done anything this whole game except say I'm scum. And I'm not scum. So the fact that he's focusing every single post on me is more than a little fishy for me. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Meapak_Ziphh - Mostly level headed, scum hunts, but his current wanting to lynch Dandel is somewhat iffy for me. I mean, I think Dandel is more scummy than most of the other inactives...but there are other actives to look at :\ I wouldn't completely oppose it though. Anyways, 6.5/10 Ace - He hasn't really done much. When I used to play mafia he was one of the more active players I seem to remember (I only played with him town I believe, I don't think I was ever scum) but this game is... nothing. I think this probably indicates just lack of interest or something rather than being scum, but I can't be sure. Can't really read anything with him, but definitely want him to be somewhat more active. 5/10 MajuGarzett - Was going to put him in "Needs to post-tier" but he recently made a large post so I'll touch on him briefly. His arguments aren't really stirring my interest. I've got a town read on Vayne. And his argument on Onegu just isn't there for me. If Onegu was scum, it seems more likely that he would wait for a reply to see if it's something people agree with. His arguments aren't very strong for me so: 4/10 Onegu - I really don't have much an opinion on Onegu. He hasn't posted anything of substance really, but he hasn't tripped any scum wires with me either. I'd like him to more actively hunt scum (and give opinions on people other than Chez) 4.5 Geript - Actively posting thoughts and reads, pushing people for answers, etc. One of the most townie people in thread IMO. 7.5/10 VayneAuthority - He leaves much to be desired for sure but he seems genuine and unafraid. I'd prefer he'd be more active but he seems townie enough. 5.5/10 StrongandBig - read his filter... 3/10 Gumshoe - He seems sort of nooby and hasn't been doing much. I don't really like his way of playing currently, but he definitely looks more nooby than scummy atm. Not sure though, he could really be either. 5/10 OriginalName - His hopping on the bandwagon for me seems to come at a perfect time for scum, I think. Additionally, he goes from voting for me to saying he'll probably hop off, all in under an hour. He just seems to be agreeing with people and not putting any additional thoughts out there...scummy as hell. 3/10 TanGeng - He also hops on my bandwagon with no reasons why, at a good time for scum. He also hasn't been scumhunting...like at all. He's just saying that other people have been doing scumhunting and he agrees. No real reads out of him. Feeling scum. 3/10 Xatalos - Hope I don't have to explain, but he's like really townie. 9/10 Alakaslam - Active as fuck pregame, less active during the game but okay. His "martyring" was a little strange but I don't really think anything of it. He needs to post more of his thoughts though. He really has been just sliding by without saying much, which seems scummy but eh I dunno. Seems more scummy than towny. 4/10 WaveofShadow - Active as fuck when tunneling me but goes a lot more inactive when the bandwagon starts to fall off. Then he discards his bandwagon as "eh, he's probably town, whatever". Since then, he hasn't done much, hiding under the shadows sharing no opinions...But I have to admit that there are probably better options. 4/10 raynpelikoneet - active, a little iffy here and there, but mostly a town read from him. definitely not a good lynch target. 6/10 Nirvana.Gabo - Not liking him one bit. He votes Onegu because he doesn't like his read. Nirvana says Chezinu is a crazy guy like its common knowledge and that by even suggesting that Chezinu is scum that Onegu must be scum. So, yeah, Nirvana's looking pretty scummy for me. 3.5/10 FirmTofu - seems like he should have his "mega post" out by now, but I won't say that's scummy. He hasn't been very active but looks to be more active now, so I'll reserve my judgement on him... 5/10 Chezinu - I have no fucking idea I have no fucking idea austinmcc - seems to be chasing nothing. I'd like him to be more active -- not in posting -- but in actually giving thought out opinions on people. He's leaning scum on me because he really hasn't contributed much... 4.5/10 Needs to post-tier (null unless bold which is at least somewhat more scummy than the other inactives) - Dandel Ion, Ghost_403, Oatsmaster, Stutters695, Z-BosoN, Abenson, CaucasianAsian, jampidampi, Wow, going through filters is depressing. It shows how many people don't post at all ffs  | ||
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On July 08 2013 08:59 Z-BosoN wrote: Why is no one saying hi to me? I thought you were catching up on the thread? Don't you think that's more important than being greeted? What are your opinions on everything going on? Who's scum? | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:02 Alakaslam wrote: Vote is based on the exchanges they had too. However I now conclude that rayn is just bad at defending. He has genuinely contributed pretty good info (just took a stroll through his filter). So even though it looks a little scummy to some types to act wishy washy like this I lift this vote. jeez dude that flip flop. what's up? what do you actually think? who should be lynched? | ||
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What thefuck. This is an interesting development... But so fucking cool. | ||
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On July 08 2013 11:54 Chezinu wrote: If I didn't pass the potato.. my hands would have burned. I may have a similar role to you. | ||
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Anyways I'm not really excited for a chez lynch at the moment. He hasn't been helping but honestly he's fun having around, and if his role is my role on steroids which I suspect it may be, he may have been required to nuke early, though the xat choice is questionable as fuck. It feels like a scummy bandwagon is forming too. There could be worse lynches but I don't believe that it is the best either. | ||
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On July 08 2013 13:23 Onegu wrote: I really dont like this post. Have you launched your nuke yet? Just seems like a good excuse to nuke someone. I have to before nuke deadline and i do it in thread. So no I haven't done it yet. | ||
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##nuke TanGeng I will not be able to change this. Additionally, I am going to vote for Dandel Ion for now. Of the inactives, he seems most likely scum. I can change this in the morning if I feel like it, and I don't think a chez lynch is the best idea right now, and he seems to be gaining the most traction. I don't support that. So I'm voting for a new candidate which I think most people can agree on lynching on if it comes to it. | ||
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On July 08 2013 14:11 geript wrote: Just out of curiosity, Whoops what are you reasons for TanGeng over the other lurkers? I really like your pick, I'm just curious in the specific. I'm not going to go over every reason, but he follows the bandwagon a TON and his analysis isn't really insightful or unique at all. He criticizes over weak points and flip flops. Just look at his posts...I can't see a townie typing what he's typing/voting at ALL. None of it makes sense as a townie for me. I can only see scum typing what is written, if that makes sense? There's specifics for each individual post but that sort of is a general overview. If you want I could go over every single post but since you also think he's scum I don't think it's necessary | ||
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Read his filter jeez. Insta-bandwagon on me. When the bandwagon starts failing, he hops off. With all his talk about chez he just speculates and doesn't say anything really of merit. He defends geript as probably town when it's fairly obvious (to me) that geript is town and I don't believe he was even being pushed as scum. He comes back to talking about me...He criticizes me for having lots of scum reads...I mean really? That makes zero fucking sense as town at ALL. When people start voting for chez, he votes for him too. With all his talk about him earlier, he seemed like he didn't have any idea whether or not he was scum or town. Then he votes for him. Right. The difference is that he's not putting any effort in to scumhunt on his own and instead chooses to go with what other people have already said and jump on bandwagons. The difference is that he says fairly obvious things to seem like he's contributing. The difference is that he is scum and I am not. | ||
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##Nuke: TanGeng Okay, now I'm off to bed. | ||
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Scenario 1: radiation nuke hits xata, he lives and visits someone tonight (hopefully scum), and will probably be killed by scum tonight because he's such a townie Scenario 2: it isn't a radiation nuke, so he dies. Scenario 3: oats protects him. He gets no Kp tonight. Still probably dies tonight. So I think it might be better to let the nuke hit, because there's a chance he gets KP and can hopefully kill some scum. I'm assuming there are just regular nukes and radiation nukes because that's all we know of. | ||
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It was just for day 1, that was my only one. I'm a regular vanilla townie now. | ||
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On July 10 2013 03:27 Z-BosoN wrote: Just to let you guys know, today and tomorrow I'll be fairly busy, so I might go awol for said time period. I'll try to keep up with the read and post whenever I can. Right now I would look into johnnywup as well. He posted this: And then disappeared for the next 3-4 pages. As soon as day post comes out, he comments, which means he was just chillin watching town get all confused and shit. without really participating. Ace, as mentioned before, is someone with very questionable play, towards the end of d1, and should be under heavy fire for today. When I get back, I'll go over the reyne fiasco and see if there's any chance his latest explanation pans out. Yeah, I was at the airport when I posted that. I really couldn't comment more than that and a DI lynch didn't look that good (I mean he still looked scummy, but I really did like the argument against ON a lot more). DI really didn't participate a lot and I felt there was a lot more incriminating evidence against ON. ON simply looked like scum. I was indeed chilling watching town get confused and shit without participating because I was on my iPhone with 5% battery and I was trying to conserve it so I could see the night post. So yeah. | ||
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On July 10 2013 07:11 strongandbig wrote: Why? Did I miss something and he's confirmed town now? Most people if not everyone agrees he's most likely town. | ||
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On July 10 2013 07:15 geript wrote: That's an odd set of kills. Rayn maybe because this confirms that he did indeed fake claim, but m_z is a pretty standard choice I think. I certainly thought he was pretty much confirmed town. | ||
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how can you wait to be sure to lay down any suspicion when that section of your post is a suspicion -.- and the post of "everyone talking now is likely town" is less than 20 posts before yours...are you paying attention? | ||
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A few of his posts have included references to North Korea. Combined with the fact that he had an unstable nuke, he has a role almost identical to mine. My role is also North Korea themed with an unstable nuke. I am town. I think it's a logical step to say that two nearly identical roles (the only thing being changed is how long the timer is until the nuke blows) are of the same alignment. It's likely he is Kim Jong il, as I am Kim Jong un. Why the hosts thought North Korea was on the townie side of things is beyond me, however. | ||
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On July 11 2013 00:33 johnnywup wrote: Wait, who probably has radiation nukes? And why do you think this or even care? It's unlike a townie to search for blues >.> And what post are you even referring to? Okay never mind, I figured out what post it was referring to. Makes sense now. | ||
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I don't know. But it doesn't make any sense from scum POV, because a strong case is being formed against Ace and it looks like him getting lynched is a possibility. So case 1: He's scum. Scum wouldn't shoot him, obviously, so only possibility is town shooting him. Case 2: He's town. Scum wouldn't shoot him because it looks like he might actually get lynched. So only possibility is town shooting him. | ||
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in regards to maju, he seems pretty scummy to me. possibly the most scummy. not to mention I don't actually think jampi is scum. This post in particular reads ridiculously scummy for me: On July 11 2013 15:25 MajuGarzett wrote: So 2 people want me to nuke jampi. I'm fine with doing that though I do want more input since some people posting haven't responded. I want to nuke VA. Please give opinions. I'm also okay with nuking any of the lurkers if that's what's wanted. I'll probably launch the nuke in 2 hours. I am hesitant to vote for him because there's a couple people on board that I don't really like. | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:14 geript wrote: ##vote majuGarzett On July 12 2013 03:12 geript wrote: ##vote majugarzett] this is really sad geript lol | ||
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On July 12 2013 05:10 FirmTofu wrote: Anyone voting maju has to believe that there are at least 4 town-sided immune ones in the game. Do you seriously believe this? why would i have to believe that in order to think he's scum? | ||
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On July 12 2013 05:34 Koshi wrote: Ok this is something really stupid that I just read, but maybe it is genius. Did the host make an English mistake by saying a Immune target? Xatalos, you claim to also be immune. Is it spelled correctly in your role pm? On July 08 2013 23:37 Xatalos wrote: Okay, I think it's better if I fully reveal my role now. You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game. That should help to make an informed decision, Oatsmaster. I'm not really sure what it means, but maybe your anti-nuke role clears something about my role as well. The way I understand it, Radiation nuke is one type of nuke and there are others as well. However, it might be the only type of nuke and the "different types of nukes" means just launch mechanics (secret/claim/etc.). | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:31 FirmTofu wrote: Yeah... I just moved him from scummy to null read. What is happening... I mean, he could just be trying to gain town cred. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I see Onegu as benefitting a miniscule amount by association that his role indeed can be blue. If it is actually his role. Actually you made me think. Scratch that null. Wait he Wait he comes out scummy from this more later want to answer u first. He is on my list, he is a stronger read. Since that was simple: If a red can produce nukes and two blues, then I assume a red and two blues again is likely. Strong and big scummier now too. Xata is tote town while Onegu is sketchy means Onegu scummy this flip IMO | ||
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On July 13 2013 01:40 Koshi wrote: That was my inactive list. You are not listed on my scummy list. Can't blame me for saying that you are inactive. On July 13 2013 01:49 CaucasianAsian wrote: truth. i want to be more active, but this game moves so much faster than the other, if I sleep for 8 hours, i have to catch up on 30 pages.... sooooo difficultt o do I'll try to be more active tomorrow. I should have ~3-4 hours of free time before my day starts. Oh god this interaction feels so scummy to me. Koshi says that his top 3 inactives FROM MOST SCUMMY TO LEAST. When CA asks why Koshi thinks he is scummy Koshi says "nah that was just an inactive list", which is completely not true as seen from his post. It's as if Koshi didn't want to draw attention to it or didn't want to offend CA, despite having a scum read on him... | ||
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On July 13 2013 03:48 Xatalos wrote: I got a PM that I received a nuke, but then I was informed by Artanis that it was a mistake and that I would get it at the start of D2 and not yet. Ace passed the deadline without launching his nuke and thus couldn't launch it anymore (apparently). saying that in thread almost guarantees you die. Why would you do that? :| I mean I think it's likely you'd die anyways but this almost guarantees it | ||
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On July 13 2013 04:02 FirmTofu wrote: I don't understand the abbreviation. Can you post your role pm? When do you make nukes? When can you deliver them to others? random number generated. I'd still like to see the role PM though | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jW8VAJI.png) possible error: Vayne may be switched with SnB. Somewhat less likely because SnB is voting austin atm and it seems unlikely that there's been *that* much bussing this game, but hey it seems to have been working so far so who knows? I feel pretty confident in these reads though. Best lynching order: Maju->Austin->Stutters->Vayne/SnB Reasons: I won't lie, heavily influenced by Xatalos' post, but beyond that... Austin's "defense" to xatalos isn't really a defense at all...It's reads like him saying "yup, that's absolutely correct, but I'm still not scum". He didn't really...have a defense? It really really didn't seem like it to me. His "advanced knowledge", as ace pointed out, is still disconcerting to me. Also, everything on Xatalos' post. Day 2 lynch was exactly like Day 1 lynch. Just that makes me feel like MajuGarzett is definitely scum. Since starting to be the popular vote to kill, he has done nothing. It's like he knows hes going to die as scum and doesn't want to give town any more information. He could be pretty busy as a townie...but I think thats very very unlikely at this point. Stutters: He's faking his role PM, pretty obviously to me. The PM he said he received says nothing about which types of nukes there are to fake (only that there are different types of nukes...), there's no indication of how to submit an action or when, etc. Additionally, Toy Store doesn't fit the theme of this game. It feels ridiculously fabricated, or he's leaving something out. Unless he shares his actual role PM and has a damned good reason on why he faked his role pm...twice... I can't see him being a townie. OH I just had a thought. Ace admitted to having a KP but wasn't killed at night, which makes 0 sense unless scum knows that the nuke was faked so it's possible that Stutters is a "Toy Store" or something along those lines, but isn't town aligned and didn't post a bunch of his role PM. VA & SnB: I'm a LOT less confident about these. I believe SnB may be a scum aligned Immune One. Sort of gut read. I don't like how he's been playing and it feels pretty scummy to me but I can't really put my finger on anything. VA: Basically what xata said, not much else to offer, but I don't like how he's pursuing Chezinu so much right now, and just assuming he's scum. I don't see how he could even have a gut read on chezinu, I can't read him at all...he's chezinu. This is also a gut read...not very confident. I think ONE of these is probably scum, but not both. | ||
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On July 14 2013 12:02 geript wrote: @Whoops, ace wasn't killed because he's either scum or they knew the nuke was fake. I'm leaning the latter which makes Stutters scum. Plus, as town "Toy factory" during D1 after the radiation nuke reveal stuff (after Xat's claim) he would be at 0 cost to claim and confirm. Instead he's convinced DI was scum for no reasoning and continues to be more worthless than a pine cone after you take a shit. yup that's exactly what I'm saying (the first part). and good point on the rest. + Show Spoiler + and yes sentinel...it is a shitty mspaint pic... I thought people might enjoy it | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:42 VayneAuthority wrote: You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. you guys are forgetting stutters claim. This completely contradicts that claim. One of Ace or Stutters is scum or both. Yup, this. Definitely Stutters, like I've been saying. It was such an obvious fake PM -.- I forgot for a second but yes this basically confirms Stutters is scum for me. Whether or not the nuke lands, the fact that it was launched contradicts Stutters claim. So, I say we lynch Stutters actually, and if the nuke lands, great, if not, we do it tomorrow. | ||
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On July 13 2013 00:08 Ace wrote: ##nuke MajuGarzett no you didn't? | ||
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So as far as I can see there's the following possibilities: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + A: We lynch outside the situation, hit townie. Nuke on MG doesn't hit. On day 4, it's 11 townies to 4 scum at BEST. B: We lynch outside the situation, hit townie. Nuke on MG hits. He's scum. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST C: We lynch outside the situation, hit townie. Nuke on MG hits. He's townie. On day 4, it's 10 townies to 4 scum at BEST D: We lynch outside the situation, hit scum. Nuke on MG doesn't hit. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 3 scum, at BEST E: We lynch outside the situation, hit scum. Nuke on MG hits. He's scum. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 2 scum at BEST F: We lynch outside the situation, hit scum. Nuke on MG hits. He's townie. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST + Show Spoiler + G. We lynch MG. He's scum. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 3 scum at BEST H. We lynch MG. He's townie. On day 4, it's 11 townies to 4 scum at BEST + Show Spoiler + I: We lynch Stutters. He's town. Nuke doesn't land. On day 4, it's 11 townies to 4 scum at BEST J: We lynch Stutters. He's town. Nuke lands. MG is town. On day 4, it's 10 townies to 4 scum at BEST K: We lynch Stutters. He's town. Nuke lands. MG is scum. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST L: We lynch Stutters. He's scum. Nuke doesn't land. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 3 scum at BEST M: We lynch Stutters. He's scum. Nuke lands. MG is scum. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 2 scum at BEST N: We lynch stutters. He's scum. Nuke lands. MG is town. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST (assuming if we hit scum today we get rid of 1 KP, there is 5 total scum, and the rest are townie, and if we lynch MG we don't know whether or not the nuke would hit) Averaging the outcomes (if outcomes are equal---which they are obviously not, but just something to consider) Lynching outside the situation or lynching stutters: 11.833333 townies on day 4 with 3.16666 scum Lynching MG: 12 townies on day 4, 3.5 scum Lynching outside the situation therefore has more townies/scum on average, and is probably a better pick than lynching MG. Although I included lynching stutters as an option I don't think it's a good idea at all because it lends itself to REALLY bad situations imo. However I haven't taken into account that if the nuke doesn't hit then Stutters is probably town and if it does hit he's probably scum. Intuition tells me that lynching outside of the situation lends to better results if you take that into account. But back to the dilemma. Best possible scenario: Lynch outside of the situation, hit scum, nuke lands, MG flips scum. Worst possible scenario: Lynch outside of the situation, hit town, nuke lands, MG flips town. Most likely scenario IMO (sorry town but after 2 mislynches I have less faith): We lynch outside of the situation, hit town, nuke may or may not land. The problem I have is that if the nuke doesn't land we lose 3 townies for nothing in this situation, when we could have lynched a (relatively) confirmed scum. On the other hand, if we do decide to lynch MG, we get no information on Stutters from this at all. So I'm really torn. What does everyone else think? | ||
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On July 15 2013 00:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah I meant to comment on this. I doubt you're nything bt town at this point, but mind explaining your assumption as to the KP formula in this game? If we hit scum in MG you know it's still possible scum have 2 KP tonight, right? yes of course. I assumed that we get rid of town KP if we successfully kill scum today for a couple reasons. 1. It's best case scenario. You may say why assume best case scenario? Because if we assume that we DON'T get rid of KP, look what happens if we mislynch and the nuke doesn't land (a likely possibility). On day 4, it would be 11 town to 4 scum. If we mislynch HERE it's 8 town to 4 scum... if we lynch scum here, ok, 9 town 3 scum.. but scum still has 2 KP. a bit better but we're starting to get into lylo territory either way. Of course, if we lynch scum today and the nuke doesn't land, it would be 12 town to 3 scum then either 9 town to 3 scum or 10 town to 2 scum. I assume that we get rid of KP because I think it makes much more sense for the sake of argument and is more probable in my eyes anyways. for the record, I am totally against a stutters lynch. Ugh, I really don't know what to do because I'm pretty confident MG is scum, but if I vote for him we get no info about stutters. If I don't vote for him, we might lose 3 townies. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote: mods refused to give me any info on the notification thing, which usually means it has to do with something fishy. ##unvote ##vote: austinmcc how does that mean that theres something fishy at all? it's a closed setup.. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:14 WaveofShadow wrote: The only person Geript and I both find scummy on his list his MG, and honestly I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he flipped town. Hence the fact that I'd rather nuke than lynch him. I don't think CA is scum, nor do I think austin is. This SnB business feels ALL KINDS of wrong to me. If you guys are looking for a safe lynch with me go Gumshoe. I won't let you down. Promise. why gumshoe? | ||
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also I'm beginning to like a gumeshoe lynch sort of. and i do think wos is townie so I don't have a problem trusting him in this. I do think we don't want him at lylo either way so...I think I will vote him. I'm not sure if the lynch will end up happening but I feel more comfortable voting someone so out of the game as gumshoe than someone so in the game like austin or someone I really don't feel strongly about like SnB. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:50 geript wrote: Can you explain. My brain is pretty fried since I haven't eaten since 8am. I'm not getting the implication. If the nuke lands then Stutters lied about his role->definitely scum. If it doesn't land then he was probably telling the truth->probably town | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:57 geript wrote: @Stutters... So if you're town and you know the nuke is fake then why aren't you trying to lynch Maju? oh shit | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:04 geript wrote: I would like to point out... that this exact scenario is why I fucking wanted to lynch Maju. I could strangle people right now... starting with myself. DO NOT FUCKING LET ANY ONE OF MAJU, ACE, AUSTIN OFF THE HOOK111111 LYNCH THEM BACK TO BACK TO BACK You and me both -.- I get a feeling that ace is probably scum right now but I'd like to know your reasoning | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:08 VayneAuthority wrote: The game is balanced around everyone playing to their wincon. You can't win when town are actively sabotaging the game. You can't help what other people do you've just got to try and win no matter how stupid your team is | ||
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okay can we agree that we lynch Maju tomorrow no matter what? No flip flopping bullshit, straight up lynch him. If you have a nuke, launch it elsewhere, not risking that bullshit up to chance again. | ||
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1. I didn't feel strongly with a SnB lynch 2. I didnt want gumshoe at lylo 3. I trusted WoS enough. It was a decision between SnB and Gumshoe at that point I believe and at least SnB posts from time to time. And the fact that a townie can play like that is baffling to me. | ||
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On July 16 2013 02:08 Stutters695 wrote: So why should we send nukes to someone who didn't even know it was the night phase? if anything, scum would pay attention to phases much more since they have to submit night actions and because he's the only one who has actually killed scum | ||
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On July 16 2013 04:33 VayneAuthority wrote: gonna have to agree with geript. Koshi is scum or just...wow. Pretty much disagree with that entire post he just made. I went through the list of people in this game and realize I dont trust a single person. Hard to narrow it down to a team of scum. You don't trust anyone? | ||
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A new North-Korean Nuclear Missile has been produced and is ready at your disposal. It must be fired within 48 hours. Your Nuclear Missile has been destroyed by an investigator. fml should have paid attention -.- | ||
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On July 16 2013 08:33 WaveofShadow wrote: They're totally both scum what? who are? geript and maju? because that would make no sense | ||
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On July 16 2013 08:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I say let the nuke fall. I feel like this is some sort of elaborate bus. that makes no sense lol. MG is nuking Geript and MG is going to die today. Logical conclusion: Geript is town and MG wanted to get rid of another before he was gone. | ||
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On July 16 2013 12:28 geript wrote: ... Look if you don't want me to shoot the nuke down, just say so. Honestly I don't give a fuck at this point. Anyone can see why I'm town. Compare this to any of my other town games and compare it to any of my scum games and it'll be obvious that I'm town just based on meta. If you look at what I've tried to do this game there are things that look scummy, but a huge majority of it is super town. for the record i do think you're town but you're promoting an anti-town atmosphere with this. whatever, go ahead, I'm going to bed because dad told me to | ||
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For the record, I like that you're discussing other lynch options, but can we please agree to just lynch MG today, and discuss who we lynch tomorrow, today? MGs gotten away from us too many times. I don't want it to happen again If no scum flips today (from nukes or lynch) I will drink my own piss @_@ | ||
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But with this many nukes if we dont hit any scum I will LITERALLY drink my own piss. | ||
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What Ace one? The " ##Nuke Ace (aka Chezinu's Father) " one? He was just checking if it would work I believe though he likely did not receive one. | ||
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but that's not going to happen from the look of things. Will I have to be the one leading discussion going forward? blah. But okay. | ||
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Ace did NOT get NKed when he said he had a nuke. This leaves 3 possibilities so that scum know Ace isn't a threat. a) Stutters is on the scum team, b) Ace is on the scum team, c) both are on the scum team a) Stutters is on the scum team but not Ace. Scum knew Ace would be harmless so they didn't kill him. okay. But what matters here is that Ace DIDN'T LAUNCH HIS NUKE DURING THE NIGHT. Town Ace would do this because he thinks he's probably going to die because he claimed a nuke. So I don't think a) is a possibility b) Ace is on the scum team but not stutters Scum Ace can afford to wait till day to nuke because he knows he's going to survive. Once again, town Ace wouldn't know he would survive (in fact, he would think he would die -- so he would nuke during the night almost as a certainty) c) Both are on the scum team Ace would know he's got a fake nuke. But that's not what's important. What's important is that: It's likely that what happened is b) or c) which means Ace only or Ace and Stutters. In both cases, Ace is scum. It's not important right now which one is what happened So I'm like 99% sure Ace is Scum and it's like 50/50 on stutters imo | ||
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On July 18 2013 02:37 Chezinu wrote: You know, austin knows. What if stutters was mafia and gave Ace the fake nuke? Then why would mafia give Ace fake nuke? yeah... Austin, are you really mafia? good point but how are you connecting this to austin? | ||
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On July 18 2013 02:39 Oatsmaster wrote: nah Ace is totes town, everyone is making really bad confirmation biased posts. NIGHT ALL. Lynch MG. !! ##defend chez guys 3 is the lucky number  .. Also chez too qtpie2die remember Ace's situation? You've got to type chezinu | ||
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On July 18 2013 02:59 Chezinu wrote: Ok, so today I got this missile that was made in North-Korea. It looked newly produced. It was also ready to be used freely. The catch was that it was going to destroy itself unless I fired it... I assumed that I would die if I didn't get rid of it because the first one I got when I got my role was a bit unstable and it state I would die in a split second if I did not use it. Yeah, I got the same PM. I assumed it would kill me if I didn't fire it but a scum investigator destroyed it before I could launch it. | ||
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OKAY TOWN WE'VE GOT THIS. Scum probably only has 1kp tonight. 11 people are alive. I'm guessing 8 town 2 scum 1 3rd party. WE'VE GOT THIS SHIT. Oh shit, someone definitely has/has used a Radiation nuke due to Aces role PM. | ||
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On July 18 2013 07:29 geript wrote: Look at who he's protected and tell me they both aren't scum and he had good reasons for suspected Ace to be town. I mean, he also defended Xatalos. But yeah...I'm not totally convinced but I'll have to look through his filter some more | ||
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On July 18 2013 13:47 Onegu wrote: Posting from hospital, not feeling to good but will hopefully be out later today, visiting alakaslam, to be honest I really doubt I have radiation, although it could be possible otherwise why nuke me? WoS death odd, I think he was killed by radiation meaning s&b is scum and active. feel better dude | ||
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On July 18 2013 15:32 geript wrote: @Whoop who do you think is scum? all my major scum reads really just died tbh...but since there's likely 2 scum alive, I believe it is 2 of the following 3: Chezinu, Oatsmaster, Stutters695. If I were to choose...maybe Chezinu and Stutters695. Strongandbig may end up being the scum but I'd like to keep faith that people can't be /that/ bad, so I'm semi-crossing him off. SnB DID vote Ace when there was pretty much 0 chance of him being lynched that day, which I dunno if is scum or town tell...probably neither. like i said, possibly distancing himself. unconvinced CaucasianAsian, after looking through his filter accidentally, meaning to look through SnBs looks pretty scummy actually. posts like + Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 16:23 CaucasianAsian wrote: i want to contribute more, but there's sooo much text to sift through. I don't want to force anyone to do it for me, as I should make my own assumptions in order not to be persuaded by mafia. So this might take some time? Also, I'm a little scared about making some judgements. I don't want to say someone feels scummy to me, as if I am right, mafia might target me, and if they are town and others believe them to be town, then town might say it sounds scummy right? But I do want to contribute, but I guess i'm a bit nervous about doing so! are you serious? this is ridiculously scummy and it's from RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING. + Show Spoiler + is this a legitimate scum slip, looking back? On July 09 2013 22:07 CaucasianAsian wrote: err Ace is red* On July 09 2013 22:08 CaucasianAsian wrote: I'm not convinced that Ace is red**** I think if CA was town he wouldn't see how it could be interpreted that way unless he knew Ace WAS red... + Show Spoiler + stuff that doesn't REALLY look scummy...if you don't know flips yet... On July 11 2013 15:33 CaucasianAsian wrote: I'm confused... does this not look sketchy to anyone else? There's a ton of gold from his filter. I'm his #1 scumread too.......lol Okay, I change my opinion from the beginning of the post. CA is scum. 1 of those 3 is scum. | ||
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On July 18 2013 22:57 Koshi wrote: Stutters695 or The whole thing with Ace is so wrong, with claiming to have a nuke and then not having a nuke and then claiming to be fake because he wanted to try and do a big play... Stutters is not playing to help scum now we know Ace is scum. Otherwise Ace wouldn't have fucked around so much with that nuke. Stutters also got raided and lost the ability to make nukes, so now that I think of it. He isn't 3rd party at all. What? How did you come to that conclusion? | ||
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On July 18 2013 23:08 Koshi wrote: Hmm. Yeah maybe there is a hole in my thinking there. Because Ace hold that nuke to keep MG alive. So actually getting a fake nuke was kinda perfect, it did incriminate Ace but kept MG alive for another turn. But we know that eventually the nuke was fake. So Stutters didn't lie about his big play. But stupid Stutters said it was a fake too soon, and that is why shot it anyway.. You don't agree? Guess I wanted to have one green guy D: That sort of makes sense but is more on ace than stutters IMO. You don't think I'm green? | ||
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