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On July 05 2013 02:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Why kanopy whyyyyyyy I'm already gonna have like 5 people in this game gunning for me right off the bat, you gotta contribute to this delinquency? Well if Artanis is going to try to emulate a Caller game then ill be damned if I'm not going to play it like one. | ||
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On July 05 2013 02:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I invented Insane Mafia. Caller ain't got shit on me. Im sorry based Artanis I will never forget the service you have done to TL Mafia. | ||
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On July 05 2013 08:57 Dandel Ion wrote: Or you'll find about the cross-game space/time-bending nukes my role has. CLEARLY SK MULTI NUKE PLANAR DARGON ##VOTE DANDEL ION | ||
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-Chezinu is likely to feel some Rad burns so make sure to hide in the vaults! -The Sun is likely blotted out by all the dust so prepare for a Wave of Shadow. -Troy Mcclure was found dead from alcohol poisening on set of Quantum of Nukage. Stay tuned for more updates! | ||
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Yolo is clearly a scum tactic, do you have another reason for nuking a possible upstanding citizen? | ||
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clearly not close enough. | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:22 gumshoe wrote: I would consider yolo to act like technology in LOTR, is it inherently evil? Course not, is it used predominately BY evil? Sadly yes ) : so null leaning scum. Excuse me but I never F@%*ing asked you. Why are you soft-defending M_Z then while you can be a null leaning scum. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bah, you are asking questions too straightforward. You never catch scum with that on D1, use your imagination. :D Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:13 Ace wrote: Pretty sure rayne's nuke isn't real. Im pretty sure none of the nukes at this point are real... | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's the point of this question as i asked basically the same thing (without revealing my intentions) than Xatalos did from JW? If you asked the same damn question then why would you call out another person for asking it? Just let people give the damn pressure who cares how "straightforward" the question is, your imagination that your question is different from Xatalos's in the slightest is just that. While I too would like to know what else seems scummy to johnnywup there is no reason for me to call out an attempt to furthur that no matter how effective it may seem in my mind. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chez if you really had a nuke and launched it that was a fucking bad target. He's insane, not stupid. | ||
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I stand corrected he is just insane, and very possibly stupid. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: vayne try to make some sense if you are town. This is the fucking worst nuke of the century. Stop flipping out, if someone is able to and willing to stop it they will, alternatively we can start looking into reason to why this is occuring, however causing mass panic and chaos will not help us. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote: I've already stated this, but he did it in mafia LX as mafia dayvig and he was scum. Now, it's entirely possible that (as stated earlier by somebody) Chez was faking it and scum used it as cover to nuke Xat themselves. I'm willing to bet there was no need for Chez to actually type it in thread if it was his. Either way if people CAN stop this I'm not entirely sure it should be. Also hai guise I back. Did I miss anything important other than what is likely a whole bunch of town players all shitting on each other? Not really, everyone is still freaking out instead of actually trying to get on topic. As such lets return to some very good points: Fake nukes are stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Nuking people day 1 is stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Meapak's is repeating facts because they are generally important mmmmmmmmmmmmmk | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Kanopy I thought you were gonna nuke me wuts heppened? Also don't tell anyone, but my nuke was fake. Vayne isn't actually going to die. Y wud i nuke a qt like u~~~ | ||
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On July 08 2013 00:09 johnnywup wrote: Shitty gutread? Maybe. But at least I'm voting scum. You're trying to start a bandwagon on an obvious townie. What are you smoking, all you've done is fling shit at wave and vayne and come up with a large wall of text basically saying OMGUS youve and like wave said you've never posted any actual reasons to why he is scum other than "Hes sarcastic" which is a piss poor reason in my opinion... Please come up with an actual defense at some point not just screaming that you are the towniest town to ever town because you are clearly not the towniest town to ever town. --------------------------------- Also the person who nuked M_Z is probably scum in my opinion... + Show Spoiler + Remember kids day 1 nukes are bad yo. | ||
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On July 08 2013 00:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Kanopy how many scum do you think have jumped aboard the Whoops Wagon thus far? Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the moment I'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up. If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea. I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything. | ||
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On July 08 2013 01:02 Xatalos wrote: Maybe johnnywup should be allowed to live another day. Certainly Onegu, MajuGarzett, TanGeng and Abenson are looking bad, possibly worse than johnnywup, at the moment. But why is WoS scum? Im in agreement with anyone on this list | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:30 austinmcc wrote: There isn't a reason not to lynch him eventually, based on his play so far. I think that his filter is full of junk. His playful posts in the beginning add nothing. He's very, very ... accusatory/bristly, when I don't see a need for him to be. That's a characteristic to compare to past games. Early post towards you, later post towards johnny, just really being antagonistic when there's no reason. Beyond those, he's chimed in on a couple things but either after others have said the same thing, or with chiming that doesn't actually do anything/go anywhere. He don't look groovy. Yes. Xat fakenuked Chez. being accusatory or bristly doesnt mean im scum though, you have to provoke a reaction in order to find information. Right now we have a half decent atmosphere for hunting and and we can continue pushing people, this is not majority lynch its plurality, votes can fly everywhere for the fisrt part of the day its not like we risk having a hammer drop. Why shouldn't we be antagonistic towards scum, Johnny's later defense put him in a much better light, if we had not pressured him as much we did not gain information. Why do you not like more information Austin, do you have issues with a playstyle because i can point to mulitple other town players who played like me in past games, I'm not here to be nice im here to get scum. | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote: Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on. I just look at this and go what the fuck. | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:02 Ace wrote: [ Explain the reasons why a Chezinu lynch is stupid (it may not be optimal, but stupid it isn't). Are you only going to support his lynch if Xatalos dies and flips Town? After the nuke was fired Chezinu disappeared and offered no explanation. If that nuke is real based on the mod's post then he knew what he was doing. I was leaning sub-optimal but at the time I thought there was a more powerful option in JW. As such I was trying to lead the thread towards more disscussion on that, calling Chezinu a stupid lynch was more to avoid too many tangents going at the same time and people getting distracted, I'm almost sure that Chezinu showing up to actually answer something is wishful thinking at this point, along with that he seems to imply that his nuke will implode midair and prehaps used it either a) cause a new topic of disscussion (perhaps trying to provoke a reaction out of Xatalos and others) or b) utter chaos. While in my opinion explanation A) is not nessicarily a scum move B) definitly would be. I just basically threw my hands up in the air and decided that we could probably find another target and leave Chez alone till we had more info. I tried to move towards diffusing the chaos from the nuke and move towards more leads as opposed to just tunneling Chez straight up and policy lynching him while town pats themselves on the back for the rest of the day on a job well done and getting minimal information while we sit waiting for flips. I would absolutely support the lynch of Chezinu if Xatalos dies and flips town. I was more concerned with the Chezinu lynch in that there had to be a reason for it and i just feel that outing himself like that seems horrifically out of character for him. Chezinu is absolutely insane but he is not a complete idiot at the same time. | ||
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What do you think of the Dandel Ion and his complete utter Disappearance? Is it possible its some crazy cost for a power? | ||
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On July 07 2013 11:09 Chezinu wrote: I think this is a cool video. http://www.wimp.com/unmannedrocket/ I cannot confirm nor deny anything about my nukes. I am following the rules rest assured. This was the post about possible nuke implosion for those who missed it | ||
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he means that we apply 2 kp to a person to insure they die thus avoiding a mislynch as they would die anyways. | ||
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If we do go after some of the less active people we could be looking at stutters or SnB SnB in particuler just seems to just call a few people scummy then up and leave again. Stutters has done absolutely shit all. ofc we also have afk Dandel that is always a possiblity. | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:47 Xatalos wrote: Wtf? We play to win, that's playing not to lose. Most likely it'd be the same as no-lynch. That was kinda the point Xatalos, im not saying its a good idea im just saying thats what he was implying. | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:55 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: Dandel Ion As a starting point. If consolidation is necessary I'll move around as needed. | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:28 Xatalos wrote: Hmmmmm. Okay, we shouldn't lynch austinmcc atm. I haven't even really noticed ON so far but I agree that he isn't looking too good. Especially that he doesn't seem to care who we lynch in the end. I care who we lynch im just so fucking out of practice I cant remember half the time what looks scummy. Like seriously I feel like im just staring at text trying to place "oh this looks bad and oh this looks good" and then feel like a complete nimrod afterwords when someone goes nono thats not scummy at all. I havent played in a fucking year give me a few days to get my bearings back. | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey ON, you just happened to get back RIGHT when there is a case on you. Seems legit. :D just like a bunch of other people? look at Dandel, the wagon gets going on him and he comes right back. | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, first of all, you don't "forget" how to play mafia. Second, i just read ON's D1 posts from LoTR. That's like a 100% difference. My vote is staying. I was also 100% Vanilla in LoTR incase you havent noticed, along with that LoTR was one of my worst preformances in any memory of mafia that I have, I quit for awhile because of how disgusted I was with that game how you can you use meta arguements to justify everything + Show Spoiler + I am claiming a power role for those who are wondering | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, first of all, you don't "forget" how to play mafia. Second, i just read ON's D1 posts from LoTR. That's like a 100% difference. My vote is staying. Oh and by the way, one of the best lessons you could learn from LoTR is that bandwagoning in the last 2 hours tends to end with really really bad results. | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are town this is 10000x worse performance than LoTR was. Ill spell it out for you. I have a power role, this role will not work day 1 or day 2. I'm not going to be unhelpful, but im not going to attempt to get shot either. | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:45 geript wrote: That's a pretty fucking stupid roleclaim Original. Why don't you either actually claim or not claim at all. I am a Nuke Tech for best korea, I make nukes and am allowed to give them out, I cannot give nukes out until D3. I cannot fire the nukes on my own. | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:10 austinmcc wrote: The person I want to lynch most actually isn't one of the super super lurky players, but OriginalName. In this game specifically, out of all the people who have some posts but not bunches, he sticks out to me because I did not feel that his posts did anything/went anywhere. Please to open filter and follow along: (1) ON posts a good number of trolly posts at the start of the game - + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 07:16 OriginalName wrote: Hi guys, my name is OriginalName, you may know me from Nukes with Borders, or the 1965 hit, Tommorrow Never Nukes,as a complacent nuclear launching and abiding actor I am here to bring you a nuclear winter update. -Chezinu is likely to feel some Rad burns so make sure to hide in the vaults! -The Sun is likely blotted out by all the dust so prepare for a Wave of Shadow. -Troy Mcclure was found dead from alcohol poisening on set of Quantum of Nukage. Stay tuned for more updates! On July 07 2013 07:19 OriginalName wrote: Yolo is clearly a scum tactic, do you have another reason for nuking a possible upstanding citizen? On July 07 2013 09:23 OriginalName wrote: Chezinu-chan who aside from the target of your nuclear strike is in your opinion a member of the enemy of all that is good. On July 07 2013 09:27 OriginalName wrote: I stand corrected he is just insane, and very possibly stupid. On July 07 2013 09:51 OriginalName wrote: Not really, everyone is still freaking out instead of actually trying to get on topic. As such lets return to some very good points: Fake nukes are stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Nuking people day 1 is stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Meapak's is repeating facts because they are generally important mmmmmmmmmmmmmk And so were about 10 other people yet you seem to like to single me out for this (2) When he does post things that are relevant to the thread/engage someone in discussion, it's only on a one-post level. He doesn't actually follow up with conversations/questions, only chimes in about things. Here is early stuff, and really the only thing that comes to mind when I think of ON's play this D1 was him targeting JW:+ Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 07:24 OriginalName wrote: Excuse me but I never F@%*ing asked you. Why are you soft-defending M_Z then while you can be a null leaning scum. ON blasts gumshoe for "soft-defending MZ," because gumshoe...made a comment about ON's dumb yolo post. Nothing happened, but the words "soft-defend" don't apply here, they look nice, they look like scumhunting, but there's no soft defense, defense, or anything for him to be attacking in actuality. On July 07 2013 09:11 OriginalName wrote: Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all. On July 07 2013 09:20 OriginalName wrote: If you asked the same damn question then why would you call out another person for asking it? Just let people give the damn pressure who cares how "straightforward" the question is, your imagination that your question is different from Xatalos's in the slightest is just that. While I too would like to know what else seems scummy to johnnywup there is no reason for me to call out an attempt to furthur that no matter how effective it may seem in my mind. Here he pokes at rayn, for no real reason again. He hasn't said anything about JW being scummy at this point (Keep this in mind). He wants JW to answer, wants to know who JW finds scummy, but before these posts hadn't said a word about JW. (3) ON and JW:+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 00:13 OriginalName wrote: What are you smoking, all you've done is fling shit at wave and vayne and come up with a large wall of text basically saying OMGUS youve and like wave said you've never posted any actual reasons to why he is scum other than "Hes sarcastic" which is a piss poor reason in my opinion... Please come up with an actual defense at some point not just screaming that you are the towniest town to ever town because you are clearly not the towniest town to ever town. --------------------------------- Also the person who nuked M_Z is probably scum in my opinion... + Show Spoiler + Remember kids day 1 nukes are bad yo. On July 08 2013 00:14 OriginalName wrote: Oh before i forget ##Vote Johnnywup Accuses JW of "flinging shit" about WoS and VA, gets really really hyperaggressive here. Again, despite never really having called JW out on anything before. Rather than really push the "JW is scum" angle though, look at his first post here. He wants JW to post a defense, an actual defense. That, to me, is ... out of character with legitimate scumhunting/voting. If he thinks JW is useless, why does he care what JW posts in his own defense? If he thinks JW is scum, he doesn't want JW to post a defense, he wants JW to die. I don't understand this exchange if ON is town, but i CAN understand it if ON is scum (and JW is town, which we don't know). ON wants to "scumhunt," but knows that JW is town, and therefore all he can really do as far as pressuring JW goes is pressure him to defend himself. Not outright call him scummy, not outright say you want him lynched, but just say you want him to post a defense. (4) Okay! You're saying. That doesn't make him scum. Nope, it doesn't. But follow ON and JW down the road a ways:+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote: This is...50 minutes after ON's vote on JW. FIFTY MINUTES. In that amount of time, he continues to walk this weird accusation line. He'll vote for JW, but never explicitly call JW scum (something I often have a problem doing as scum, straight-up calling townies scum). He thinks there's scum on the JW lynch, but he's leaving his vote there "for pressure" and a coherent defense. He announces that he's going to move his vote in the afternoon, is fine shifting his vote, and wants to lynch "one of those lurkers" as an "alternate lynch."Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the moment I'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up. If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea. I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything. Do you see what I see?
I dont have to explcitly call him scum, my vote said that for me, I left for work and he posted a defense I was satisfied with he gave and outlined reasoning for his actions, others saw exactly what I did and converted to a different target, I advocated a lurker lynch and when we eventually moved towards DI I put my vote on him. This is nothing to do with uncaring about my vote. (5) ON doesn't care about his vote, you say? Then why would he make posts such as these! + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote: Im in agreement with anyone on this list On July 09 2013 01:42 OriginalName wrote: So are we thinking about a lurker lynch today or are we going to go after somebody actually in the thread. If we do go after some of the less active people we could be looking at stutters or SnB SnB in particuler just seems to just call a few people scummy then up and leave again. Stutters has done absolutely shit all. ofc we also have afk Dandel that is always a possiblity. Oh nm, holy hell. ON doesn't seem to care AT ALL where his vote is, and just wants to lynch a lurker maybe. He'll just lynch whoever. (6) Fine austinmcc, but why is he scummy? Ah. That's the question (unless you already find him scummy). (A) He looks like he's interacting with the thread, but he's not really. Most of his posts are throwaways. Most of the ones that LOOK like they have analysis or votes or scumhunting or something are just air. He doesn't care about scumhunting, he doesn't seem to care at all about the game at all. (B) I brought up his bristliness earlier, and he responded: So what makes me different from Ace who "keeps his opinions close to his chest" am I not allowed the same luxury when I can't tell who is town or scum at all, almost everyone is a null tell due to the sheer amount of lurkers in this game. We could have the entire scum team lurking while we all point fingers around at each other as town and mislynch each other. Please also note that he's not a newbie. It's not as if he's never scumhunted, never pressured anyone, etc. In terms of semi-recent filters, you can look at: Looney Lynching, Caller Game, Game of Thrones While he sometimes posts in all caps or in an accusatory manner, he has a LOT of reasoned out posts in those games, posts that are entirely lacking from this game: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 11:27 OriginalName wrote: Defense in and of it self is a null tell in this setup due to the team mechanic, what does anyone outside of his own faction gain from defending him. Said faction is probably not touching the issue with a 10 foot pole or would be outright bussing him in order to maintain furthur credibility. In all honesty there is no reason to defend him nor is it reasonable to defend anyone else as this game is less kill the mafia as much as kill everyone but your faction. The flip side to this mechanic is you could attempt to force the game into superlate and just attempt for a last man standing kind of deal but we really dont need theorycrafting beyond that day 1. On September 18 2012 11:40 OriginalName wrote: Think of it this way mattchew: Your on a town faction, none of your homies are in deepshit and its night time and you have a vigi shot. There was a townie killed the day or night before and you are 80% sure that Person X is on his team. Now you are 40% sure that person Y is a turk for whatever reason. You could just take a safe shot and more or less eliminate one team from the runnings right then and there as a 2 man deficit is fatal this early in the game. Or take the less safe scum shot over waiting for more information. Now naturally this would be another case if you were more sure of scum but theoretically speaking hitting a townie not on your team with a shot is not particularly bad play early on. ESPECIALLY if you manage to hit scum with a lynch. On March 23 2012 10:39 OriginalName wrote: I'm voting SLJ For the following reasons I believe them to be scum. -There's two of them and they are both lurking hardcore there is no excuse for this behaviour -Not contributing any opinions before flaunting vet status and starting questionable bandwagon that everyone is jumping on. -Pushing agenda through above method -Doing nothing to contribute to atmosphere and using horrid paragraph/other crappie that neither usually ignore and makes it seem that they really don't care -Throwing votes down without reason The cases on layabout are fairly meh nothing of his outright rises suspicion other then his questionable alt targets. Alderan is increadably trashy as well with that clear bandwagon jump how do people get away with this. #Vote SLJ On March 24 2012 06:25 OriginalName wrote: There is no issues with pushing a hard lynch as often that push can cause scum to slip up harder. If they seem more townie as time goes on then fine switch off. Im just tierd of people playing passive on Day 1 because of what they deem as weak reads. Throw ideas out thats the point sure asking questions is fine but what and WHY do you think something Going to move over to Eventrees for now, Im likeing sandro if not syllo but really Im probably just wasting my vote atm. ##Vote Eventrees @Sandro Im probably picking on you more then most because you have 2 people working on an account with people who dont want to play the game. If anything im venting frustration on people who are being overall unhelpful and while i do believe that if you want to hide info between yourselves if you are town theres no harm in throwing out those ideas to us as well to throw our opinions on. @Generally everyone else What is everyone thinking about Sinesis i dont think its wise to truely ignore anyone and he seems to be just sitting there and not barging into the forefront. | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:53 austinmcc wrote: You're being overly aggressive with this. Yes, I'd like to hear a response. But good lord people need to give reasons for their votes. Something that they specifically agree with, something that resonates with them, ... a ghost told them to vote. All this voting for nothing more than "Case = vote" is butt. ON, what two players would you nuke if you had 2 nukes and why? If you'd already made 2 nukes, who would you give them to? Beyond that, are there other limitations? Can't give to the same person more than once? Can't stockpile them and have to give out each cycle? No idea on limits The only person I remotely trust with a nuke right now is M_Z this is due to reactions gained while he was being nuked, theoretically speaking he could be scum with wave or something and this is all a ploy but the chances of that are quite low. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:04 geript wrote: @rayn. lets just lynch alakaslam. this claim has been pretty sloppy. What the fuck is with all these last minute wagons. Like seriously everybody who starts these without coherent reasoning (IE Not Austin) should be looked at tonight and tomorrow this is honestly rediculous. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:08 geript wrote: Eh. The last time a group was disatisfied with a lynch and moved things a bunch in the last couple hours AFAIK was Hydra 2 and we ended up lynching scum. Kinda odd that this game has had a bit of similar situations only with like a bajillion more roles. Ya see everytime this has happened in my experience seems to hit town with it, but thats just me I guess. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:10 Xatalos wrote: Any role is "possible", what matters is how he roleclaimed. It happened immediately after he had been "away" for hours and austinmcc had just made a case on him. That's the kind of panic roleclaim a scum would do after staying in the shadows before that. Xat if you were under the gun in the last two hours of a day as either alignment would you do anything to survive? Saying its in panic is completely stupid as -Town wants to prevent a mislynch -Scum wants to live What you are implying with the role claim is not that the claim is scummy but the timing is when the timing is as a matter of fact a completely null-tell. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:27 johnnywup wrote: Someone please catch me on the past 8 pages? you can bandwagon me or bandwagon Di I honestly dont give a shit anymore. | ||
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