[T] Nuclear Winter Mafia

On July 03 2013 08:17 Dandel Ion wrote:
why don't you half the amount of players, but double the amount of nukes.

On July 08 2013 04:54 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, I've got plenty of time now and I've finally got my computer back. I have skimmed through the thread and I'd just like to point out a few things before posting my mega post(tm).

Two main people have been targeted as lynches today.
Johnnywup and rayn both look like easy scum redirects. In other words, relatively weak town members that would be easy to lynch if push comes to shove. I think you should be watching any and all players on those respective wagons and see how their votes change over the course of the thread.

I'm having trouble understanding this Chezinu guy. Apparently, he's a troll? I'm unfamiliar with his persona so could anyone explain? I've still gotta read his claim in detail so I'll post more about that later.

On July 08 2013 06:28 geript wrote:
@Tofu, who are your top 3 scum suspects right now and why?

On July 08 2013 16:51 Chezinu wrote:


Such firm statements coming from Tofu.

On July 08 2013 17:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:




Scum QT has been talking about me, that's for sure, because at that point i had something like 3 pages of filter.
Assuming that, FirmTofu's statement does not make sense from scum pov, because here are my town games:

TL Mafia games:

LoTR Mafia - town - bombed N5 (~2years ago, my first game ever)
RED Team's Prize - town (third faction) - hit by prplhz N3
Ego Mini Mafia - town - survived, won, caught Oats
Boardwalk Empire Mafia: PYP - town - hit N1
TL Mafia LXI - town - hit N2
Carnival Cruise Mafia - town - hit N1
Les Mafia - town - hit N1
Basterd mini mafia - town - hit N1

Based only on that list and my assumption about scum QT, do i come out as "relatively weak town member"?

On July 08 2013 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

How do you even know i am weak? Do i need to be right on everything on D1 for you to consider me strong?
About my reads:

Yes, Chezinu at the top if he does not explain why Xata was the best target to nuke.
If he gives a reasonable explanation, NG as close second.

People who are town:
geript, Dandel, vayne, FT, Abenson, Gumshoe, Xatalos, MZ (if he dies to nuke he is definitely gonna flip town), jampidampi (weak read),.

Everyone else is null or null leaning scummy.

On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch.

On July 08 2013 17:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also FT, did you notice MZ did the same thing with different words.

On July 09 2013 05:42 TanGeng wrote:
8 v 8 right now?

On July 09 2013 06:21 geript wrote:
Ok, so do we just want to default on ON. It's not going to terribly hurt town to remove nukes from the game b/c high town KP is pretty historically bad for town.

On July 09 2013 06:25 geript wrote:
Not a solid "he's towny read" but much like WoS in TheGame, the claim is almost too bad to make him scum. I'm ok with lynching him on principle, but I'm just not as keen about it. The thing I liked about it was that most everyone who jumped ship I felt were town

On July 09 2013 06:26 austinmcc wrote:
I'm going to crack up and then be sad if I argue about Liquid City with Z-Boson and then this game becomes Liquid City 2.0.

I agree that I normally wouldn't jump right to claiming, especially in a game where we've had a good number of other claims. It's not...damning, I think I've seen some people rush to that and I have a pretty godawful history with claiming.


'splain please

Who, in particular, do you find suspicious within the ON voters?

Can you give me a ... twitter length summary of why VA is scummy while I poke through filters?

On July 09 2013 04:47 FirmTofu wrote:
Can we look at Vayne please? He still has not responded to my accusations.

Link 1
Link 2

On July 09 2013 06:32 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:
DI's a better lynch

##unvote
##vote Dandel Ion

On July 09 2013 06:33 austinmcc wrote:
Why point out that you find something very suspicious if it hasn't happened? Also, can you walk me through how the switching based on the claim would make you suspicious?

On July 09 2013 06:39 geript wrote:
@Tofu You vote is currently being 100% wasted on Vayne righ tnow. TIme to pick a horse in a 2 horse race.

On July 09 2013 06:42 Xatalos wrote:


You're essentially voting for DI by doing that. Do you want to lynch DI more than ON?

On July 09 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

4 nukes? is that a scumclaim for something we don't know?

On July 07 2013 17:47 jampidampi wrote:
Morning!
I'd like to bring to your attention a scum suspect that seems to be passing by the sidelines. That man is named FirmTofu. Just read his filter, it isn't long. Infact, it has only one post. This one:
If you look at the post from a townie perspective you'd expect some kind of followup. There's none. Dudes scum.

On July 07 2013 18:19 jampidampi wrote:
MajuGarzett is also really suspicious, all he has really done is fling mud onto rayn.

On July 07 2013 22:58 jampidampi wrote:
Stutters, who's scum?

On July 09 2013 01:17 jampidampi wrote:
I can get behind a NG lynch. I'll not repeat anything said about him, but just look these two posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=45#899
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=45#900
He comes back to the thread just to tell that in his opinion, FirmTofu is bad. And not the scummy looking bad, but the not enough skill bad. If he was town wouldn't he have commented on something scummy/townie, not something bad?

On July 09 2013 01:17 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak should be saved if possibel, he is totes town.

On July 09 2013 19:39 jampidampi wrote:
I don't think rayn lauched the nuke.

If he had a nuke, why wouldn't it have been launched here? Unless the nuke could be launched only by a PM to the hosts, rays nuke should have been launched at Xata early D1.

Rayn calling for others to be nuked. If he had a nuke why wouldn't he nuke them himself?

Here he's asking opinions on Meapak 10 min before mods confirmed the launch. If he's trying to get permission to fire the nuke or confirmation for his scumread wouldn't he wait until after the responses to fire the nuke? If he had already set his mind on nuking Meapak, why ask others for their opinion on Meapak?

Rays first post after the launch. If there is no downside for claiming a silent nuke why wouldn't you claim it right then? The bolded is especially odd. If you launched the nuke, why would it pop in to your mind that scum are trying to frame you by nuking your scumread who is actually town?

On July 10 2013 08:50 johnnywup wrote:
for your first point, he never says you're the best person to lynch I believe? The rest is good though and I agree with it.

On July 10 2013 09:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace, if dandel is replaced, do you still want to lynch that slot?

Austin looking like scum because rayn's reads are good and cause he asked me about why I used 1 shot yesterday and never drew any conclusions. Fake activity.
##vote Austin

Firmtofu, basically you think jampi scumslipped right?

On July 10 2013 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hmm.
Thoughts on Austin Firmtofu?

On July 10 2013 09:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
explain the townie thing please. Why wouldnt austin.scum do it?

On July 10 2013 09:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Talk to me about other people, who are you looking at as being scum?

On July 10 2013 12:43 Ace wrote:


It looks solid. I had my own slight scum read on jamp because when I was arguing with rayne and he jumped in I don't know how he couldn't understand what I was saying. I tried to make myself clear multiple times but he along with some others just weren't listening to logic and assumed rayne had to be Town. Multiple people had reservations about "the plan" but a few bought it with little hesitation.

Now Tofu is saying I'm scum too so that means I was arguing with my scum buddy and neither of us came out with any advantages. But we'll see what he's got.

On July 11 2013 11:06 VayneAuthority wrote:


If oats is scum then well played, he's been saving my town reads all day. Will deal with him at lylo if I have to.

(1)Tofu is null he could go either way for me, He has reads and is contributing though so I like that he's actively participating and not hiding in the shadows when it's pretty easy to do so this game.

you, no comment. Others seem to understand your play better than I do so ill leave it to them

sentinel just joined in for Abenson who was pretty fucking scummy, must watch. He just voted for maju and nuked xig so we will have great info after today on him.

Chezinu lol

(2)If maju flips scum The one that looks the worst in this group is probably you/tofu to be honest.

You, because apparently you have a lot of scum traits going for you from the input of people that have played with you and you seem to actively be trying to get into my head which isn't necesarily very townie, its more of a manipulatory way of seeing if I am a threat to you or not.

(3)Tofu because he's been pushing weird lynches all game and not really contributing to the flow of the game at all. He's not giving us any info to work with, he's just tossing his vote around which has produced scum in the past.

On July 11 2013 12:30 VayneAuthority wrote:


You don't need any justification anyway, you're going to tunnel me until I flip green. No point arguing with players like you. If you are actually town we can talk about this in endgame.

On July 11 2013 12:29 FirmTofu wrote:
EBWOP:
It also is indicative of a sort of apathy that is generally a solid scum tell. Because most people have a town read on me, he decided that he needed to do something to discredit me and my accusations of him. Instead of countering my points against him, like town would, he uses this backhanded approach of, "He's active so he's null, but you never know..." to get people to stop listening to what I have to say.

I really want someone to nuke this guy. PLEASE.

On July 11 2013 12:36 VayneAuthority wrote:


You've had 3 reads this game and one of them is dead as the doctor, the other is me and WoS. The fact you are talking about bad play when you have remained static the entire game is laughable. You are not assimilating any new information from the game.

Let me ask how you'll feel when I flip green? Who will you tunnel next after your 2 scumreads are both town?

On July 11 2013 13:56 Chezinu wrote:
Here are a list of places:

3. Oatsmaster
4. Stutters695
5. Z-BosoN
6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel)
11. Onegu
13. VayneAuthority
14. Strongandbig
15. Gumshoe
18. Xatalos
19. CaucasianAsian
21. WaveofShadow
22. jampidampi

On July 11 2013 14:08 Alakaslam wrote:

Time to role claim.

Because he had the same role, except I was Russian. It was too similar, he had to be another inventor. Couldn't vote him, and wasn't comfortable with Dandel yet. I lied about being vanilla, yes. I think Mepak roleblocked me before dying as anti war protesters messed up the colonel's place, not hajis so that story is done

So that is why ace. Fwiw, Mepak was first gift choice and then WoS and then you and (if enemy had a lot of KP) tofu and Geript were on level with you.

On July 11 2013 14:15 Chezinu wrote:


CBS is still accepting donations.

On July 11 2013 14:51 Onegu wrote:
Sorry I have been in a pain med coma the last day and a half, first I will be active and am sorry. Second I do not have a radiation nuke. Third I have left enough breadcrumbs for people to figure out my role not sure how you havent. I think only scum have radiation nukes since no town have claimed them and xata looks town at this point from most peoples persective. I also believe that radiation nukes are silent because it says in the role pm we do not know when we are infected. I visited Xata last night.

On July 11 2013 14:51 Onegu wrote:
Sorry I have been in a pain med coma the last day and a half, first I will be active and am sorry. Second I do not have a radiation nuke. Third I have left enough breadcrumbs for people to figure out my role not sure how you havent. I think only scum have radiation nukes since no town have claimed them and xata looks town at this point from most peoples persective. I also believe that radiation nukes are silent because it says in the role pm we do not know when we are infected. I visited Xata last night.

On July 11 2013 14:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Pfffft... Well kind of scratch that^^, kind of "hey toldyabro!!!!"

Bah! I just find it so unlikely he flips scum 3 games in a row XD I am back to null. Dang it!

On July 11 2013 15:02 FirmTofu wrote:

Are you serious? His roleclaim doesn't make any sense. What do you think his role is supposed to do and why would you assume he is town automatically? Let's analyze this shit!

On July 11 2013 15:02 Onegu wrote:
If I visit xata and I am infected and he isnt we will both be infected night 2

On July 11 2013 15:08 Alakaslam wrote:
ROBL Onegu man, nice to finally be able to do this even though you not town yet
ALLIED WITH ONEGU!

On July 11 2013 15:25 MajuGarzett wrote:
So 2 people want me to nuke jampi. I'm fine with doing that though I do want more input since some people posting haven't responded. I want to nuke VA. Please give opinions. I'm also okay with nuking any of the lurkers if that's what's wanted. I'll probably launch the nuke in 2 hours.

On July 11 2013 16:05 Chezinu wrote:
4. Stutters695
14. Strongandbig
15. Gumshoe
19. CaucasianAsian

5. Z-BosoN
6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel)
13. VayneAuthority
22. jampidampi

On July 11 2013 16:57 Xatalos wrote:


Oh well, this explains some things. I buy this claim atm since your earlier posts indeed are consistent with the claim. Scumhunt and be more active from now on as well though. (Can you be infected without a radiation nuke? Didn't know that. If it's possible to be infected in the beginning, I should have visited someone as well.)

Also Alakaslam's claim feels genuine (considering all the breadcrumbing and stuff).

On July 11 2013 17:08 Onegu wrote:



Just says we wont know when we are infected so I kinda figured the nukes would be silent, so I gave it a shot, you should def visit someone tonight though. I am eating lunch then will read the entire thread again and be more active.

On July 11 2013 17:15 Onegu wrote:


No it straight up says we wont be informed if we are infected.

On July 11 2013 15:25 MajuGarzett wrote:
So 2 people want me to nuke jampi. I'm fine with doing that though I do want more input since some people posting haven't responded. I want to nuke VA. Please give opinions. I'm also okay with nuking any of the lurkers if that's what's wanted. I'll probably launch the nuke in 2 hours.

On July 11 2013 09:59 Ace wrote:
well it is the way it is. I'm also going to probably nuke someone before I die since I got a PM stating I received a nuke. Right now I want to target one of the lurkers. In the event you or Xalatos (if he is town) go down this will become a lurkfest.

On July 11 2013 20:33 jampidampi wrote:
Why the fuck was I nuked? Just for not being here? Have yet to read the thread, but I'm not sure if catching up at this point is even worth it. Might as well claim right now.

You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game.

So you better hope that Maju's nuke was a radiation nuke.

On July 11 2013 23:03 Ace wrote:


Help me with this.

There are 2 roles that say they can produce nukes, and you do not know if Alasklam is Town. So you extrapolate that me having a nuke before night 2 = me being scum. There is no evidence that nukes can only be produced on Night 2. Whoever gave me the nuke can own up to it and solve this.

I've got 2 issues here with this;

1.) you knew this hours before this post and was active. You didn't claim this until jampi got nuked - why?

2.)Really? When did I say that?

On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target.

On July 12 2013 01:43 Xatalos wrote:


So you have a nuke atm? Can you theoretically nuke yourself?

On July 12 2013 01:47 geript wrote:

Why are you of all people asking me?

On July 12 2013 01:50 geript wrote:

Why would him being a 2 shot and me being a 1 shot make any difference? Couldn't he just be a scum 2 shot guy?

On July 12 2013 01:51 geript wrote:

Err I mean 2 shot town guy.

On July 12 2013 01:57 geript wrote:

You see. Here is where this line of thought fails. We've had multiple multiples in this game. The only one we haven't so far as I've known are Doctor and hacker. Yet because there are multiple defense grids this automatically makes Oats scum. Why not making Onegu scum or Xatalos scum. I remember liking you early on I think but me no likey right now.

On July 12 2013 01:57 Ace wrote:
I thought you lied, ok sorry.

I was going to nuke one of the lurkers so we dont have to deal with them going into late game.

Also I don't see why I wouldn't claim. Someone gave me a nuke in the middle of the day. We never knew that capability existed before that.

On July 12 2013 02:08 geript wrote:

Why you so concerned with people's roles and shit?

On July 12 2013 02:10 Ace wrote:


I missed the deadline for nuking. I didn't know we could nuke at night. If that is true I will definitely consider doing it. Too many lurkers around.

On July 12 2013 02:19 Xatalos wrote:


Hm. On the other hand, town MajuGarzett would want to nuke his own scumread (VA), not your scumread (jampidampi).

On July 12 2013 02:19 geript wrote:
@Ace Take a look at FT's NMM game here. I'll be voting for nuking him/ lynching him tomorrow.

Basic summary:
1. Huge disparity in activity level (not wholly indicative of scum but at least a point in scum favor) which leads me to believe that he's significantly less confident in himself this game (scum tell)
2. Huge disparity in how he's creating reads and trying to push players (was town in NMM and did a very good job both in pushing his reads and in finding good reads to push [even if he got off track at points]). Looks like he's taking a different tack in approaching his reads = scum tell.
3. Role fishing = scummy
4. I don't have a nuke but I wish I did.

On July 12 2013 02:35 strongandbig wrote:

how is that soft

derpburgler

On July 12 2013 02:38 geript wrote:

You missed the subtlety in my accusations. The meta point only applies to #1.

On July 12 2013 02:39 austinmcc wrote:
Talk to sleeping austin and working austin about that.

Lotta stuff went down in a small period of time. I don't care whether artanis is a bastard host or not, some of these roles most certainly exist on both sides (or people are just fake claiming). For instance, in game where ZERO people have claimed radiation nukes, we have 3-4 people claiming immune one. I read that as some people fake claiming, and an indicator that radiation nukes are a scum (possibly 3P) mechanic.

OP also has to go and say "many types of nukes," which may or may not be artanis getting cheeky, but indicates that there should be more than just nukes and radiation nukes.

I dunno, I found jampidampi's response to rayn's stuff very scummy. I haven't gone back over all this recent maju stuff, but ... I don't think I'd save him if it were me. Don't believe we've got 4 town immune ones, although maybe 1/2 the thread dies of radiation poisoning tonight and we realize it's a bigger mechanic than we thought.

On July 12 2013 02:41 Xatalos wrote:


I guess it goes like this (MG and VA likely not scum together - MG and jampidampi likely not scum together):

Option 1
MajuGarzett
VayneAuthority
jampidampi

Option 2
MajuGarzett
VayneAuthority
jampidampi

Option 3
MajuGarzett
VayneAuthority
jampidampi

Option 4
MajuGarzett
VayneAuthority
jampidampi

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like
A) if we lynch MajuGarzett, we should save jampidampi
B) if we lynch VayneAuthority, it's arguable if we should save jampidampi or not

I'd really like some input on this since I have conflicting feelings on which of these options is correct.

On July 12 2013 02:52 Xatalos wrote:
You mean that strongandbig's claim makes jampidampi more likely scum and thus MajuGarzett more likely town?

On July 12 2013 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote:


ok this is the first post you've made where I think you might actually be scum. He's town but who cares kill him anyway because another player is using a methodical approach instead of scumhunting?

What?

On July 12 2013 04:04 VayneAuthority wrote:


believes their claims when breadcrumbed

does not believe my claim when breadcrumbed, I am conveniently the guy he has been tunneling all game.

ERROR, HUGE CONTRADICTION IN MOTIVES

Firmtofu is scum.

On July 12 2013 04:11 geript wrote:

Get off the high horse. No way in hell I make this play as scum. No way in hell I could even be scum this game. Way too active. I made the decision because I knew it wouldn't be popular but it's the right decision.

On July 12 2013 05:10 johnnywup wrote:

why would i have to believe that in order to think he's scum?

On July 12 2013 05:12 austinmcc wrote:
This is false, misleading, and in general theme with a lot of your recent posts. If you can, try to ignore all the claims and all the everything else and just scumhunt normally.

Maybe there are boatloads of immune ones, maybe there aren't. But we don't know which are town and which are scum, and nobody's claim magically makes them town or scum. We should not be using our second lynch of the game as some kind of speculative poke into a group of people claiming a role. We should be using it to lynch someone we think is scum.

Why is maju NOT scum?

On July 12 2013 06:10 geript wrote:

@6 You don't fire a nuke at someone who you think is town.

On July 12 2013 06:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually I just went back to I swear this is mini mafia and cross analyzed jampi there where he got mislynched day 1 and his play here is very different. I am fairly convinced he is scum now.

When he flipped town there he actually gave reasons for his scum/town reads and contributed to the thread before he died, here he is a lot angrier/slinging shit. He only came back to the thread once he realized he was saved by geript.

##unvote

##vote: Jampi

On July 12 2013 06:30 Koshi wrote:

He agreed with you! You must now become best friends.

On July 12 2013 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
Nevermind, VA voted for jampidampi. Hmm..

On July 12 2013 06:41 Xatalos wrote:
VA, how were you suddenly convinced on jampidampi? Seems like some meta reason but.... It's just sudden.

On July 12 2013 06:44 Alakaslam wrote:

What is happening is you can be wrong more often than you realize. You have been missing connections more often recently, that is what motivates my vote on you. My realization that this can happen to town too is why I moved it.

On July 12 2013 06:48 Koshi wrote:
@FirmTofu In your world there are 12 scum players. I think it is safe to say that your reads are wrong.

On July 12 2013 06:57 Xatalos wrote:


If jampidampi flips town, please do nuke MajuGarzett (at night preferably). If jampidampi flips scum, nuke someone else.

On July 12 2013 07:20 Xatalos wrote:
I also think that strongandbig is the most likely fakeclaimer among us Immune Ones at the moment.

On July 12 2013 07:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Also stutters. Why not stutters.

On July 12 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote:

This is an excellent choice as well. I forgot about him.

On July 12 2013 07:30 Xatalos wrote:
I'm going to sleep now but final words for Ace:

Just nuke MajuGarzett. It's not just the fact of him being scummy (especially after jampidampi's flip), but maybe equally important is how productive D3 will be. If MajuGarzett lives, (most) everyone will just vote for him and D3's activity, quality contributions, arguments, effort put in by various players..... Everything pro-town will be severy reduced. The same might have well happened during D2 if XigXag hadn't been nuked by Sentinel. We might have just all agreed to vote for XigXag in the end, destroying all the great activity we had with the jampidampi/MajuGarzett/VayneAuthority arguments. If there isn't one scummy player on whom everyone agrees on, it becomes much, much harder for scum to sheep/bus and townies will be more easily distinguished from scum.

Just do it!

On July 12 2013 07:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
People seem to forget something.
The people on the DI lynch are far from clear.
Vayne should know this, but a scum Dandel ACTIVELY encourages people to bus him.
I can link proof from Les scum QT if you wish.

On July 12 2013 10:01 Z-BosoN wrote:


I didn't put him in cause I have to go over him carefully. He's much more relaxed this game than I remember him, but isn't particularly helpful and I remember I felt his "thoughts on the rayne claim " be totally out of place.

His claim also felt very out of place, especially given that he's avoided all the major discussions so far (like Ace pointed out). It feels like he is pretty lazy this game, but I'll have to check carefully to see if it's mafia-oriented or not, right now I've had enough of mafia.

Anyways, what do you disagree on VA? You seemed to think him scum earlier... what changed your mind?

On July 12 2013 11:28 Alakaslam wrote:
Tofu sorry about delay. Had to meet with my boss...

Onegu is more likely to be town by association due to the flip by like 2% but yes.

"Irreverent"... Hehehe I post at ppl all the time

But yeah, it's for lack of knowing what to do.

I'll try to get better, I just struggle and struggle with knowing what to do.

I have a much easier time making townreads than scumreads. But the Scumreads are more important.

Here is my opinion on who is town fwiw, in no particular order:

Ace Geript WoS tofu Onegu zboson Chezinu Xatalos Oatsmaster uonseintenal strongandbig CaucasianAsian and maybe Austin.

On July 12 2013 11:42 johnnywup wrote:
xatalos is on that list

On July 12 2013 15:07 Xatalos wrote:
Hihi everyone.

I'm starting to feel that I die tonight, with everyone chanting my über-townishness. The only reason I see for my survival is that my power is relatively useless. But if there are 2 NK's again, the situation looks grim for me.

Currently I'm mostly angry at myself for already pushing two mislynches (worse still, one away from a confirmed scum and one away from a likely scum). I never believed I'd say this, but maybe people should listen to Ace more. He's been likely correct about two lynches already and I doubt he'd be bussing this ruthlessly as scum. Also, his posts after being nuked were pretty townish.

With that said, I have reached a new conclusion on who the remaining 4 scum probably are (if it's a normal setup and around 20% of the players are scum). I also have an idea on who might be the 3rd party (likely an SK-type role but with nukes instead of NK's). And I'm pretty confident in my townreads at the moment. I'm considering if I should
A) save everything for right before the nightpost to make scum's targeting harder
B) post before that to encourage more discussion and help polish my reads / answer questions (since I'm likely dead now anyways)

I can't really post for a bit (just typing on my phone hastily atm), but I think I could finish my "last will" several hours before the deadline. Opinions?

On July 13 2013 03:56 strongandbig wrote:
mafia did redirect the wagon

to originalname

On July 13 2013 03:59 Stutters695 wrote:
I make nukes that may or may not be duds. It's rngd or some shit.

On July 13 2013 06:42 Xatalos wrote:


Really? Can someone confirm this?