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On July 03 2013 08:17 Dandel Ion wrote: why don't you half the amount of players, but double the amount of nukes. I would sign up in a heartbeat if he did that. | ||
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Two main people have been targeted as lynches today. Johnnywup and rayn both look like easy scum redirects. In other words, relatively weak town members that would be easy to lynch if push comes to shove. I think you should be watching any and all players on those respective wagons and see how their votes change over the course of the thread. I'm having trouble understanding this Chezinu guy. Apparently, he's a troll? I'm unfamiliar with his persona so could anyone explain? I've still gotta read his claim in detail so I'll post more about that later. | ||
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On July 08 2013 04:54 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, I've got plenty of time now and I've finally got my computer back. I have skimmed through the thread and I'd just like to point out a few things before posting my mega post(tm). Two main people have been targeted as lynches today. Johnnywup and rayn both look like easy scum redirects. In other words, relatively weak town members that would be easy to lynch if push comes to shove. I think you should be watching any and all players on those respective wagons and see how their votes change over the course of the thread. I'm having trouble understanding this Chezinu guy. Apparently, he's a troll? I'm unfamiliar with his persona so could anyone explain? I've still gotta read his claim in detail so I'll post more about that later. Scratch that. Not a lot of people actually voted for rayn, despite putting on considerable pressure. This is quite interesting and should be noted. | ||
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I just finished my analysis of Ace and am willing to provide it to you free of charge. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=15#281 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=16#312 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=16#317 soft-defends rayn. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=15#282 It is unlikely that Ace and Johnny are on a scumteam together. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=16#305 Ace has a bit of banter with rayn, leading me to believe that they are not on the same scumteam together. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=17#321 Says Xalatos is a town read for him. Ace is leaning town for me because he is cautiously defending someone who he suspects to be town(a sentiment I share). | ||
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For what it's worth, I think Dandel is mafia. I've gone through his filters, and of all the lurker's, I'd pick him to lynch. I know my opinion isn't worth much yet because I've been lurking myself, but I will try to make myself useful in the coming hours. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:28 geript wrote: @Tofu, who are your top 3 scum suspects right now and why? Busy running through filters, but I would like y'all to have a look at Dandel and Maju for now. I'll keep you posted as I find solid scum reads on more active players. | ||
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I've completed nearly all my player profiles and am ready to give geript my top three scumreads. VayneAuthority: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=17#329 Unjustified reason to vote someone. It could be a poke, but it remains unclear. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=25#495 Advocates lynching for information. Acknowledges that he could flip town. A town would push their lynch under the assumption that they were scum. Starting to focus on what will happen post-flip indicating that he doesn't want to take the heat on a town flip. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=28#554 Highlighting play that strikes him as PR. Why would town do this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=29#568 Accuses Caucasian, who seems like an easy target considering he only has one post and was drunk. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=34#669 Adds Dandel to the list of lynch targets. WaveOfShadow: His fluff extends a bit too far into the day. Most of his posts are non-contributing/restating what has already been said. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=19#375 Refers to "town players" as an entity that he is not a part of. Very scummy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=20#383 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=20#392 Voices his opinion of Johnny based on a misinterpretation of his post, then waits for someone else to vote him before hopping on the wagon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=24#464 Defensive post. Why is he so worried about a wagon on him if the people voting him have a bad case against him? He should be pursuing his reads, not wasting time defending himself from a "weak" wagon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=25#482 Seems to understand scum methodology and could be trying to WIFOM us with his play. I haven't read many of his newer posts, so I will update my read of him as I continue reading. Nirvana.Gabo: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=29#566 Idiotic reason to vote Onegu. Looking for reasons to vote, instead of looking for actual scumslips. Could be a scumbuddy defense of a teammate in Chez. We will need to see the flip to know for sure. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=29#576 Mistaking newbieness for scum play. Seems to be a deliberate ploy to accuse Onegu of something that isn't there. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=31#619 Has a town read on Ace. Convenient. Reiterating what many others have already stated. I would like to pursue either a Vayne or Nirvana lynch, but would be willing to defer to a lynch of WoS. First, I need to read further into the thread to see whether he has redeemed himself or not. For now, Vote ##: VayneAuthority | ||
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I would appreciate it if any and all townies could get their shit together so we can actually play the game instead of pussyfooting around with jokes that clutter up the thread and make the entire experience less fun for those who have to sift through your bullshit. Okay, thanks. I'm through. | ||
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On July 08 2013 17:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Scum QT has been talking about me, that's for sure, because at that point i had something like 3 pages of filter. Assuming that, FirmTofu's statement does not make sense from scum pov, because here are my town games: TL Mafia games: LoTR Mafia - town - bombed N5 (~2years ago, my first game ever) RED Team's Prize - town (third faction) - hit by prplhz N3 Ego Mini Mafia - town - survived, won, caught Oats Boardwalk Empire Mafia: PYP - town - hit N1 TL Mafia LXI - town - hit N2 Carnival Cruise Mafia - town - hit N1 Les Mafia - town - hit N1 Basterd mini mafia - town - hit N1 Based only on that list and my assumption about scum QT, do i come out as "relatively weak town member"? When I say "weak", I mean it's easy to find dirt on you to pursue a lynch off of. That doesn't make you a bad player by any means. You attract attention, good and bad, making you a prime target for the scum. Scum also probably generally find it easy to convince others to vote for you. I obviously haven't played in all the games you mentioned, but maybe you have witnessed this phenomenon in your own games. It remains to be seen whether this is how you should play, but so far I'd say it's been working. | ||
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On July 08 2013 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: How do you even know i am weak? Do i need to be right on everything on D1 for you to consider me strong? About my reads: Yes, Chezinu at the top if he does not explain why Xata was the best target to nuke. If he gives a reasonable explanation, NG as close second. People who are town: geript, Dandel, vayne, FT, Abenson, Gumshoe, Xatalos, MZ (if he dies to nuke he is definitely gonna flip town), jampidampi (weak read),. Everyone else is null or null leaning scummy. Could you elaborate on why you think Vayne is town? If your read is weak, please have a look at my case against him and reconsider. | ||
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On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote: Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch. Holy banana-butthole, did anyone catch this? Why would Vayne... 1) ...automatically believe Chez when Chez explains what his role is. 2) ...confirm Chez as a town-read because Chez explained his role mechanics. 3) ...consider an "interesting mechanic" to be "content" We need to lynch this guy ASAP. | ||
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On July 08 2013 17:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also FT, did you notice MZ did the same thing with different words. I will look into it. | ||
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Scum Thought Process: Let's find the one townie that is lurking and easy to lynch; that way no one will scumhunt and we can shift pressure off of us. | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:42 TanGeng wrote: 8 v 8 right now? Yes, I believe we need one more to win the tiebreaker. | ||
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That being said, I am not entirely convinced that ON is scum. I wanted to have a wagon that was at least competitive to the Dandel Ion wagon so that we could get some discussion going. I can no longer endorse the lynch on ON and I am going back to my best scumread on VA. I tried lynching suboptimally in my last game and it ended up flipping town. I'm not going to make that mistake again. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:21 geript wrote: Ok, so do we just want to default on ON. It's not going to terribly hurt town to remove nukes from the game b/c high town KP is pretty historically bad for town. You will never get majority on ON. Consider VA if you don't want DI to be the lynch candidate. I'm fairly certain that Alakaslam will not switch back to ON and it looks like Chez has voted Vayne as well. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:25 geript wrote: Not a solid "he's towny read" but much like WoS in TheGame, the claim is almost too bad to make him scum. I'm ok with lynching him on principle, but I'm just not as keen about it. The thing I liked about it was that most everyone who jumped ship I felt were town This is almost exactly how I feel about an ON lynch. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:26 austinmcc wrote: I'm going to crack up and then be sad if I argue about Liquid City with Z-Boson and then this game becomes Liquid City 2.0. I agree that I normally wouldn't jump right to claiming, especially in a game where we've had a good number of other claims. It's not...damning, I think I've seen some people rush to that and I have a pretty godawful history with claiming. 'splain please Who, in particular, do you find suspicious within the ON voters? Can you give me a ... twitter length summary of why VA is scummy while I poke through filters? I said "IF". I don't think anyone has switched their voted based on his claim yet, so I don't think anyone on the ON wagon is suspicious as of yet. I will look through it later, but for now, I would like to focus on why VA would be a better lynch than ON. On July 09 2013 04:47 FirmTofu wrote: Can we look at Vayne please? He still has not responded to my accusations. Link 1 Link 2 | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:32 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: DI's a better lynch ##unvote ##vote Dandel Ion I hate it when people do this... Can you please explain why? ugh... | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:33 austinmcc wrote: Why point out that you find something very suspicious if it hasn't happened? Also, can you walk me through how the switching based on the claim would make you suspicious? Assuming that ON is scum and we have scum on that wagon trying to bus him, scum could be using his roleclaim as a reason to back off. I wanted to anticipate this move and prevent it from happening. Assuming that ON is town and we have scum on the wagon, scum would be looking for a reason to get off the wagon so that they wouldn't be associated with it when the flip comes around. This could be used an excuse to do so. At this point, I don't think there are any scum on the ON lynch so my point happens to be a bit irrelevant. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:39 geript wrote: @Tofu You vote is currently being 100% wasted on Vayne righ tnow. TIme to pick a horse in a 2 horse race. I'd rather stick to my guns this time around. Let's have a discussion and maybe you can convince me in the next 20 minutes. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:42 Xatalos wrote: You're essentially voting for DI by doing that. Do you want to lynch DI more than ON? Check the votes. I'd be voting for ON by doing that, not DI. | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: 4 nukes? is that a scumclaim for something we don't know? L2Count, there's 5 in that picture. | ||
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I'm probably going to make a post on who I think comes off the worst from this lynch. | ||
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I think jampidampi is scum right now. I will explain more in detail later. If anyone suspects me or has any quick questions, I will be available for about 10 minutes. | ||
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jampidampi Ace VayneAuthority Gonna make a post explaining why in just a bit. | ||
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FirmTofu's patented suspicion meter is guaranteed to find scum or your money back! Just read carefully and vote accordingly and you will never be disappointed! Target: jampidampi On July 07 2013 17:47 jampidampi wrote: Morning! I'd like to bring to your attention a scum suspect that seems to be passing by the sidelines. That man is named FirmTofu. Just read his filter, it isn't long. Infact, it has only one post. This one: If you look at the post from a townie perspective you'd expect some kind of followup. There's none. Dudes scum. Here we have jampidampi's first post. Let's first establish some context. jampidampi's first post is on page 21. A townie at this point should be looking for people who are actively scummy. He should be actively scumhunting. Instead, we see jampidampi trying to quickly establish town cred by accusing a player(me) who hasn't really contributed to the thread. Sure, it isn't scummy to draw attention to me, but it is scummy to believe that I am the best target to lynch. This play falls more in line with the presumption that jampidampi is scum. Scum jampidampi should be trying to "pretend" he's scumhunting by popping in and accusing lurkers while actually barely contributing at all. Suspicion: +10 jampidampi's filter continues along this same line of thought for quite some time. He continues to avoid causing waves by questioning lurkers who are unlikely to respond to his accusations. On July 07 2013 18:19 jampidampi wrote: MajuGarzett is also really suspicious, all he has really done is fling mud onto rayn. On July 07 2013 22:58 jampidampi wrote: Stutters, who's scum? On July 09 2013 01:17 jampidampi wrote: I can get behind a NG lynch. I'll not repeat anything said about him, but just look these two posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=45#899 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=45#900 He comes back to the thread just to tell that in his opinion, FirmTofu is bad. And not the scummy looking bad, but the not enough skill bad. If he was town wouldn't he have commented on something scummy/townie, not something bad? Suspicion: +20 He does redeem himself however, by saying that Meapak(confirmed town) should be saved. On July 09 2013 01:17 jampidampi wrote: Meapak should be saved if possibel, he is totes town. We have to remember that this does not exonerate jampidampi by any means. A scum jampidampi would already know Meapak is town and because Meapak is set to be nuked, he would want to let everyone know that he thinks Meapak is town to establish some town cred. It is tough to say one way or the other, so I consider this quote to be a null read. Suspicion: +0 The Damning Evidence: On July 09 2013 19:39 jampidampi wrote: I don't think rayn lauched the nuke. If he had a nuke, why wouldn't it have been launched here? Unless the nuke could be launched only by a PM to the hosts, rays nuke should have been launched at Xata early D1. Rayn calling for others to be nuked. If he had a nuke why wouldn't he nuke them himself? Here he's asking opinions on Meapak 10 min before mods confirmed the launch. If he's trying to get permission to fire the nuke or confirmation for his scumread wouldn't he wait until after the responses to fire the nuke? If he had already set his mind on nuking Meapak, why ask others for their opinion on Meapak? Rays first post after the launch. If there is no downside for claiming a silent nuke why wouldn't you claim it right then? The bolded is especially odd. If you launched the nuke, why would it pop in to your mind that scum are trying to frame you by nuking your scumread who is actually town? We all know that rayn didn't launch the nuke. How could he? He was VT. jampidampi seems to know this. All of his statements indicate that he already knows that rayn didn't launch the nuke and is trying to discredit rayn. If jampidampi knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke, he must have known who DID. Therefore, jampidampi could either be the townie that launched the nuke OR he could be on the scumteam that launched the nuke. Scenario 1: jampidampi=town If jampidampi was town and he truly believed that rayn lied about launching the nuke, why didn't he pursue rayn as a lynch target? All he did was try and discredit him! Scenario 2: jampidampi=town This seems to be the most logical conclusion, assuming that jampidampi already knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke. Therefore, if you believe that jampidampi knew rayn didn't launch the nuke, the most logical approach would be to assume that jampidampi is scum. Suspicion: +50 Suspicion Meter Report: 80 Suggested Course of Action: Lynch Target I believe that jampidampi targeted Meapak with the nuke secretly. Once rayn claimed he had launched the nuke, scum jampidampi decided he could discredit him to get free town cred After all, he knew MZ was town and he knew rayn was lying. He knew that, eventually, rayn would cave in to his pressure and be caught lying, placing rayn in a difficult position. | ||
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On July 10 2013 08:50 johnnywup wrote: for your first point, he never says you're the best person to lynch I believe? The rest is good though and I agree with it. It is essentially implied. | ||
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On July 10 2013 09:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Ace, if dandel is replaced, do you still want to lynch that slot? Austin looking like scum because rayn's reads are good and cause he asked me about why I used 1 shot yesterday and never drew any conclusions. Fake activity. ##vote Austin Firmtofu, basically you think jampi scumslipped right? Not really. I think he is scum based on a play that he made that suggests that he knows more than he is telling us. In probabilistic terms, his actions are more likely to be in line with a scum line of thinking than a town's. So I wouldn't call it a scumslip exactly. | ||
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On July 10 2013 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. Thoughts on Austin Firmtofu? Austin is currently null for me. He makes a few posts that are scummy as hell, but he also makes an equal amount of posts that make me think he is town. Ex of scummy thing he did: As soon as the votes started piling on the ON wagon that he started, he started backing off his lynch. I would like to think that a townie in his position would have pushe his best scum read no matter what. Ex of a townie thing he did: he started questioning people about their thoughts on me. Honestly, all town members should have been doing this on Night 1. My play was very scummy considering I jumped on the ON wagon before it was a sure thing and I jumped off after it became obvious that it would go through. ON flipping town implicates me heavily and Austin pursuing this makes me believe he is town. | ||
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On July 10 2013 09:31 Oatsmaster wrote: explain the townie thing please. Why wouldnt austin.scum do it? Of course, a scum Austin could do it, but I don't think it is coming from a scum point of view. It seems more like he is actively pursuing a read and scum hunting. I guess you could say I am cautiously optimistic about this play. Honestly, I don't know. I played a newbie game with Austin once and I never could read him too well there either. Take my read with a grain of salt. | ||
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On July 10 2013 09:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Talk to me about other people, who are you looking at as being scum? Ace and Vayne. I've already talked in length about VA, so I won't bore you again. As for Ace, I might make a post on him somewhere down the line, but for now, I would like to focus on jampidampi whom I consider to be the best lynch target today. | ||
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On July 10 2013 12:43 Ace wrote: My reads on you and jamp are mutually exclusive. In fact, if one of you flips scum, I would likely stop pursuing the other. This is part of the reason why I am reluctant to share my read of you.It looks solid. I had my own slight scum read on jamp because when I was arguing with rayne and he jumped in I don't know how he couldn't understand what I was saying. I tried to make myself clear multiple times but he along with some others just weren't listening to logic and assumed rayne had to be Town. Multiple people had reservations about "the plan" but a few bought it with little hesitation. Now Tofu is saying I'm scum too so that means I was arguing with my scum buddy and neither of us came out with any advantages. But we'll see what he's got. | ||
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On July 11 2013 11:06 VayneAuthority wrote: If oats is scum then well played, he's been saving my town reads all day. Will deal with him at lylo if I have to. (1)Tofu is null he could go either way for me, He has reads and is contributing though so I like that he's actively participating and not hiding in the shadows when it's pretty easy to do so this game. you, no comment. Others seem to understand your play better than I do so ill leave it to them sentinel just joined in for Abenson who was pretty fucking scummy, must watch. He just voted for maju and nuked xig so we will have great info after today on him. Chezinu lol (2)If maju flips scum The one that looks the worst in this group is probably you/tofu to be honest. You, because apparently you have a lot of scum traits going for you from the input of people that have played with you and you seem to actively be trying to get into my head which isn't necesarily very townie, its more of a manipulatory way of seeing if I am a threat to you or not. (3)Tofu because he's been pushing weird lynches all game and not really contributing to the flow of the game at all. He's not giving us any info to work with, he's just tossing his vote around which has produced scum in the past. Before I get back to reading the thread, I would like to address this scummy post. I have numbered and bolded the relevant statements so it is easier for you to see. (1) He claims I am null to him. (2) He says that I somehow look bad if maju flips scum, implying that his death would tell something about me. (3) In his explanation of why, he fails to speak about anything that relates Maju to me and says I am scummy based on points that should have been addressed in (1) itself. He effectively contradicted himself within his own post while simultaneously failing to justify why I would appear scummy if maju flips scum. Thank you Vayne, for further justifying my scum read on you. | ||
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It also is indicative of a sort of apathy that is generally a solid town tell. Because most people have a town read on me, he decided that he needed to do something to discredit me and my accusations of him. Instead of countering my points against him, like town would, he uses this backhanded approach of, "He's active so he's null, but you never know..." to get people to stop listening to what I have to say. I really want someone to nuke this guy. PLEASE. | ||
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On July 11 2013 12:30 VayneAuthority wrote: You don't need any justification anyway, you're going to tunnel me until I flip green. No point arguing with players like you. If you are actually town we can talk about this in endgame. I didn't tunnel many of the players I accused. You are the exception because you actually appear scummy and I have strong arguments that make a solid case against you. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge these points either makes you 1) A bad town player or 2) A bad scum player. Let's play the game, not just keep saying, "You'll never stop voting me, so there's no point in defending myself." I can always be convinced otherwise, but you aren't helping your case right now. | ||
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On July 11 2013 12:29 FirmTofu wrote: EBWOP: It also is indicative of a sort of apathy that is generally a solid scum tell. Because most people have a town read on me, he decided that he needed to do something to discredit me and my accusations of him. Instead of countering my points against him, like town would, he uses this backhanded approach of, "He's active so he's null, but you never know..." to get people to stop listening to what I have to say. I really want someone to nuke this guy. PLEASE. | ||
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On July 11 2013 12:36 VayneAuthority wrote: You've had 3 reads this game and one of them is dead as the doctor, the other is me and WoS. The fact you are talking about bad play when you have remained static the entire game is laughable. You are not assimilating any new information from the game. Let me ask how you'll feel when I flip green? Who will you tunnel next after your 2 scumreads are both town? I'll have you know that I accused Ace and jampidampi as well. If you actually read the thread, you would know that. Even if my reads are all wrong, I can remain confident that I have contributed plenty to the thread and have caused a few reactions from people that confirmed them as town to others. My play is fine. Instead of insulting me, can you play the game and defend yourself from my accusations? I will not continue this conversation if all you do is attack me personally. | ||
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On July 11 2013 13:56 Chezinu wrote: Here are a list of places: 3. Oatsmaster 4. Stutters695 5. Z-BosoN 6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel) 11. Onegu 13. VayneAuthority 14. Strongandbig 15. Gumshoe 18. Xatalos 19. CaucasianAsian 21. WaveofShadow 22. jampidampi This is a pretty good list, Chezinu. I probably wouldn't put Xatalos there and I would advise against WoS/Oatsmaster, but other than that I would cautiously endorse a nuke on any of those targets. | ||
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On July 11 2013 14:08 Alakaslam wrote: Time to role claim. Because he had the same role, except I was Russian. It was too similar, he had to be another inventor. Couldn't vote him, and wasn't comfortable with Dandel yet. I lied about being vanilla, yes. I think Mepak roleblocked me before dying as anti war protesters messed up the colonel's place, not hajis so that story is done So that is why ace. Fwiw, Mepak was first gift choice and then WoS and then you and (if enemy had a lot of KP) tofu and Geript were on level with you. Why the fuck did you roleclaim because Ace asked you a completely harmless question? God damn it Alakaslam... | ||
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I really thought Vayne was the best lynch. I wasn't convinced ON was scum. I wasn't convinced DI was scum. Not sure what else to tell you. | ||
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On July 11 2013 14:27 Alakaslam wrote: Sigh... I wish you hadn't claimed. | ||
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On July 11 2013 14:28 Alakaslam wrote: LOL WTF? This is very interesting. | ||
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Do you think the ability to launch radiation nukes is alignment indicative? If so, which alignment do you think they would be on? This is pretty critical to what I'm about to post soon, so if anyone can give me some input, it would be much appreciated. | ||
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On July 11 2013 14:51 Onegu wrote: Sorry I have been in a pain med coma the last day and a half, first I will be active and am sorry. Second I do not have a radiation nuke. Third I have left enough breadcrumbs for people to figure out my role not sure how you havent. I think only scum have radiation nukes since no town have claimed them and xata looks town at this point from most peoples persective. I also believe that radiation nukes are silent because it says in the role pm we do not know when we are infected. I visited Xata last night. Oh great, Onegu just claimed. | ||
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On July 11 2013 14:51 Onegu wrote: Sorry I have been in a pain med coma the last day and a half, first I will be active and am sorry. Second I do not have a radiation nuke. Third I have left enough breadcrumbs for people to figure out my role not sure how you havent. I think only scum have radiation nukes since no town have claimed them and xata looks town at this point from most peoples persective. I also believe that radiation nukes are silent because it says in the role pm we do not know when we are infected. I visited Xata last night. If you don't launch radiation nukes, what do you do? Do you clear infections? If so, why would you visit Xata? I am extremely confused about your role, Onegu. You need to clarify exactly what it is isntead of being so wishy-washy. Can you post your role pm please? | ||
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On July 11 2013 14:56 Alakaslam wrote: Pfffft... Well kind of scratch that^^, kind of "hey toldyabro!!!!" Bah! I just find it so unlikely he flips scum 3 games in a row XD I am back to null. Dang it! Are you serious? His roleclaim doesn't make any sense. What do you think his role is supposed to do and why would you assume he is town automatically? Let's analyze this shit! | ||
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On July 11 2013 15:02 FirmTofu wrote: Are you serious? His roleclaim doesn't make any sense. What do you think his role is supposed to do and why would you assume he is town automatically? Let's analyze this shit! Ok, ignore that post^. | ||
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On July 11 2013 15:02 Onegu wrote: If I visit xata and I am infected and he isnt we will both be infected night 2 Got it, thanks. | ||
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On July 11 2013 15:08 Alakaslam wrote: ROBL Onegu man, nice to finally be able to do this even though you not town yet ALLIED WITH ONEGU! Nah, he's almost confirmed town at this point. All of his posts are consistent with his claim. Unless he was planning to claim this until early Day 1, I don't see him lying about this. | ||
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On July 11 2013 15:25 MajuGarzett wrote: So 2 people want me to nuke jampi. I'm fine with doing that though I do want more input since some people posting haven't responded. I want to nuke VA. Please give opinions. I'm also okay with nuking any of the lurkers if that's what's wanted. I'll probably launch the nuke in 2 hours. As much as I want VA dead, I think jampi is the better nuke target. The lurkers are a bit more of a risk; I would advise against it. Remember, Alakaslam is essentially confirmed town. His input should not be taken lightly because you know it is coming from a sincere source. Ask him what he thinks. (Also Onegu, if you want but I figured he hasn't really read much of the thread so...) | ||
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On July 11 2013 16:05 Chezinu wrote: 4. Stutters695 14. Strongandbig 15. Gumshoe 19. CaucasianAsian 5. Z-BosoN 6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel) 13. VayneAuthority 22. jampidampi #support Chezinu | ||
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On July 11 2013 16:57 Xatalos wrote: Oh well, this explains some things. I buy this claim atm since your earlier posts indeed are consistent with the claim. Scumhunt and be more active from now on as well though. (Can you be infected without a radiation nuke? Didn't know that. If it's possible to be infected in the beginning, I should have visited someone as well.) Also Alakaslam's claim feels genuine (considering all the breadcrumbing and stuff). YES, Xatalos has awoken from his slumber! My question to you: Who would you target if you had a nuke right now? | ||
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On July 11 2013 17:08 Onegu wrote: Just says we wont know when we are infected so I kinda figured the nukes would be silent, so I gave it a shot, you should def visit someone tonight though. I am eating lunch then will read the entire thread again and be more active. I think you will be notified, but you might want to ask the host to make sure. I'm thinking you two should be visiting each other until you get the notification(assuming Artanis confirms). | ||
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On July 11 2013 17:15 Onegu wrote: No it straight up says we wont be informed if we are infected. Oh alright then. Well, if town can launch radiation nukes, please hit Xatalos/Onegu with them! | ||
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On July 11 2013 15:25 MajuGarzett wrote: So 2 people want me to nuke jampi. I'm fine with doing that though I do want more input since some people posting haven't responded. I want to nuke VA. Please give opinions. I'm also okay with nuking any of the lurkers if that's what's wanted. I'll probably launch the nuke in 2 hours. Maju's nuke is impending. The two hour interval Maju gave is almost at hand. We need your opinion Xatalos. Who would you rather see nuked: jampidampi or VayneAuthority? | ||
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Please nuke jampidampi. I will be forced to look at you very closely if you choose Vayne. jampidampi has not even posted in the past 24 hours. He is a perfect vigi shot. I would rather engage in some meaningful conversation with Vayne than just outright vigi him. | ||
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On July 11 2013 09:59 Ace wrote: well it is the way it is. I'm also going to probably nuke someone before I die since I got a PM stating I received a nuke. Right now I want to target one of the lurkers. In the event you or Xalatos (if he is town) go down this will become a lurkfest. I would just like to say that Ace's post claiming he "received" a nuke sounds like bullshit to me. On July 11 2013 14:27 Alakaslam wrote: Both OriginalName and Alakaslam have provided us with very similar roles that both state that they can give out nukes but only on night 2. Ace is saying he received a nuke on night 1. I find this highly unlikely. Ace is probably lying, making me believe he is scum. | ||
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On July 11 2013 20:33 jampidampi wrote: Why the fuck was I nuked? Just for not being here? Have yet to read the thread, but I'm not sure if catching up at this point is even worth it. Might as well claim right now. You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game. So you better hope that Maju's nuke was a radiation nuke. Yeah, pretty much. You didn't respond to any of my accusations so I decided you were a better vigi target than Vayne. Had you responded, I would have recommended Maju to nuke Vayne. You claim a role which 2 people have claimed already. You have no breadcrumb trail to aid your cause, unlike Onegu. You are far from confirmed town yet. I'm not going to address your defense yet because you are a dead man walking. On July 11 2013 23:03 Ace wrote: Help me with this. There are 2 roles that say they can produce nukes, and you do not know if Alasklam is Town. So you extrapolate that me having a nuke before night 2 = me being scum. There is no evidence that nukes can only be produced on Night 2. Whoever gave me the nuke can own up to it and solve this. I've got 2 issues here with this; 1.) you knew this hours before this post and was active. You didn't claim this until jampi got nuked - why? 2.)Really? When did I say that? We have yet to hear from a role that can give out nukes on night 1. If any such person wants to claim and exonerate you, I would be willing to reconsider a lynch on you. Otherwise, you need to be under scrutiny. 1) We were running on a strict time limit. Bringing you up would derail the thread and confuse Maju. We needed a lurker dead, and I needed to focus on that task before moving on to the next one. 2) When did you say what? | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote: FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot? | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:43 Xatalos wrote: So you have a nuke atm? Can you theoretically nuke yourself? That would be super duper amazing. ^_^ | ||
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Because you can somewhat confirm Oats as town. If you are 1 shot, we need to be looking at Oats extremely seriously. If you are 2 shot, Oats could still be both alignments. | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:50 geript wrote: Why would him being a 2 shot and me being a 1 shot make any difference? Couldn't he just be a scum 2 shot guy? Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. If you are 1 shot and he is 2 shot, he is likely scum. If you are both 2 shot, we can't really tell one way or another. | ||
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Not sure how the roles are distributed on TL, but isn't this rather unlikely? Why would some town blues be strictly better than others? If I am wrong in this assumption, then don't bother telling me. I don't understand why you don't want to say one way or another, though. | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:57 geript wrote: You see. Here is where this line of thought fails. We've had multiple multiples in this game. The only one we haven't so far as I've known are Doctor and hacker. Yet because there are multiple defense grids this automatically makes Oats scum. Why not making Onegu scum or Xatalos scum. I remember liking you early on I think but me no likey right now. In regards to Onegu/Xatalos/jampidampi, Onegu has breadcrumbs that give credence to his claim. Xatalos was the first to claim and only did so after he got nuked. How could he come up with a full town pm if he was scum? You don't need to tell me how many defenses you have. I was wrong in my assumption that some blues can be stronger than others. | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:57 Ace wrote: I thought you lied, ok sorry. I was going to nuke one of the lurkers so we dont have to deal with them going into late game. Also I don't see why I wouldn't claim. Someone gave me a nuke in the middle of the day. We never knew that capability existed before that. You explicitly stated that you wanted to nuke someone before you died. If you are town, you would probably expect to die tonight. Is it not in your best interest to use your nuke before night ends? Do you plan on doing so? | ||
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There is a part of my interaction with Maju that pushes me towards a town read that I would like to mention. Maju said he wanted to lynch Vayne, but I specifically forced him to consider switching his best scumread in order to test his alignment. If jampidampi is scum, as I suspect he is, scum Maju would be unwilling to switch his read no matter what. He could have just as easily nuked Vayne or one of the lurkers and no one would have cared. If jampidampi is town, then you would have to subscribe to the view that Vayne is also town in order to hold the belief that Maju is scum. Why would scum Maju recommend that Vayne should be nuked if they were on the same scumteam? Because I think at least one of Vayne and jampidampi is scum, I cannot endorse the Maju lynch. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:08 geript wrote: Why you so concerned with people's roles and shit? What does this have to do with his role? I'm asking if he intends to use his nuke before the end of the night. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:10 Ace wrote: I missed the deadline for nuking. I didn't know we could nuke at night. If that is true I will definitely consider doing it. Too many lurkers around. Alright, Ace. I'm just trying to get the facts around your story straight. Correct me if any of this is wrong. Ace's Nuke Story You received a nuke on Day 2(today). Then, you were nuked. You decided to tell everyone that you have a nuke and you are going to use it before you die. Oats shoots down the nuke that was going to kill you. You are now considering nuking a lurker Day 2/Night 2. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:19 Xatalos wrote: Hm. On the other hand, town MajuGarzett would want to nuke his own scumread (VA), not your scumread (jampidampi). Town MajuGarzett could do either, I think. An unconfident Town Maju would rely on other people's reads because he doesn't trust himself to be good enough at the game. He might also think that if he listens to others, people might back off the lynch on him. A confident Town Maju would go with the VA lynch. I just don't see any reason to believe that Maju is an experienced, confident player. | ||
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If you are gonna claim, then claim. Don't fucking soft-claim and let everyone talk about it for 2 hours before you come out and own up to it. Fuck. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:19 geript wrote: @Ace Take a look at FT's NMM game here. I'll be voting for nuking him/ lynching him tomorrow. Basic summary: 1. Huge disparity in activity level (not wholly indicative of scum but at least a point in scum favor) which leads me to believe that he's significantly less confident in himself this game (scum tell) 2. Huge disparity in how he's creating reads and trying to push players (was town in NMM and did a very good job both in pushing his reads and in finding good reads to push [even if he got off track at points]). Looks like he's taking a different tack in approaching his reads = scum tell. 3. Role fishing = scummy 4. I don't have a nuke but I wish I did. I might as well address this... 1. Nope, not really. Yeah, last game I was a bit more active early on but that was because there was so much less to read. In this game, it takes me a lot longer to catch up and form reads. 2. You might want to expand on this. I am doing a good job at finding reads(Vayne and jampi) and pushing them as evidenced by my fervor to tunnel both of them to oblivion. 3. Role fishing? Where? Please point me to one post where I role fish. I will address it directly. 4. This isn't even a point against me. You yourself said that you don't use meta to form reads but all I see in this accusation are meta arguments. Do you have a better reason to accuse me or are you simply defending your scumbuddy Ace? | ||
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Ok, let me make this easy for you. Is your role the Immune One? | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:38 geript wrote: You missed the subtlety in my accusations. The meta point only applies to #1. Explain to me how #2 is not meta. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:39 austinmcc wrote: Talk to sleeping austin and working austin about that. Lotta stuff went down in a small period of time. I don't care whether artanis is a bastard host or not, some of these roles most certainly exist on both sides (or people are just fake claiming). For instance, in game where ZERO people have claimed radiation nukes, we have 3-4 people claiming immune one. I read that as some people fake claiming, and an indicator that radiation nukes are a scum (possibly 3P) mechanic. OP also has to go and say "many types of nukes," which may or may not be artanis getting cheeky, but indicates that there should be more than just nukes and radiation nukes. I dunno, I found jampidampi's response to rayn's stuff very scummy. I haven't gone back over all this recent maju stuff, but ... I don't think I'd save him if it were me. Don't believe we've got 4 town immune ones, although maybe 1/2 the thread dies of radiation poisoning tonight and we realize it's a bigger mechanic than we thought. I agree. People are lying about the Immune One claim and we need to address some of these claims. We can't just run around confirming all these people because they claim. I think jampidampi has the weakest claim and SnB comes up at a close second for worst claim. The only reason I'm a little hesitant to say SnB is lying is because he really had no reason to claim if he was scum. It unnecessarily draws attention to himself. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:41 Xatalos wrote: I guess it goes like this (MG and VA likely not scum together - MG and jampidampi likely not scum together): Option 1 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 2 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 3 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 4 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like A) if we lynch MajuGarzett, we should save jampidampi B) if we lynch VayneAuthority, it's arguable if we should save jampidampi or not I'd really like some input on this since I have conflicting feelings on which of these options is correct. Saving jampi should be independent of the decision to lynch. Supposing we lynch Maju, letting jampi die gives us insurance against option 3 & 4. Also, with SnB's claim, I don't really see how you can still endorse the lynch on Maju. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:52 Xatalos wrote: You mean that strongandbig's claim makes jampidampi more likely scum and thus MajuGarzett more likely town? That is correct. | ||
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LISTEN TO XATALOS He knows what he is talking about. He is extremely likely to be town. He is playing in the best interest of town. | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote: ok this is the first post you've made where I think you might actually be scum. He's town but who cares kill him anyway because another player is using a methodical approach instead of scumhunting? What? I never said you're town. Where are you getting this? Im saying your claim could just as easily come from scum as a fallback option and therefore changes nothing about my read on you. | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:04 VayneAuthority wrote: believes their claims when breadcrumbed does not believe my claim when breadcrumbed, I am conveniently the guy he has been tunneling all game. ERROR, HUGE CONTRADICTION IN MOTIVES Firmtofu is scum. Totally different situations. Alakaslam and Onegu specifically hinted to one specific role. They have multiple posts breadcrumbing their roles. I don't have a strong case on either one of them. I have a strong case on you. There is strong logic that indicates you are scum and/or that your lynch would tell us a lot about other people's roles. | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:11 geript wrote: Get off the high horse. No way in hell I make this play as scum. No way in hell I could even be scum this game. Way too active. I made the decision because I knew it wouldn't be popular but it's the right decision. You still haven't explained why you made the assumption that all nukes are radiation nukes. Why are you getting all defensive? Justify your actions from a town perspective. | ||
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On July 12 2013 05:10 johnnywup wrote: why would i have to believe that in order to think he's scum? Because voting maju means that you declare maju to be more scummy than the most scummy of the immune one claims (jampidampi). By voting, you not only are making a statement on who is scummy, you are also making a statement on who you don't fin scummy. | ||
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On July 12 2013 05:12 austinmcc wrote: This is false, misleading, and in general theme with a lot of your recent posts. If you can, try to ignore all the claims and all the everything else and just scumhunt normally. Maybe there are boatloads of immune ones, maybe there aren't. But we don't know which are town and which are scum, and nobody's claim magically makes them town or scum. We should not be using our second lynch of the game as some kind of speculative poke into a group of people claiming a role. We should be using it to lynch someone we think is scum. Why is maju NOT scum? I will get to this as soon as I get on a computer. Read my conversation with Xatalos for a few reasons why. I'm glad you're holding me accountable for this Austin. | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:10 geript wrote: @6 You don't fire a nuke at someone who you think is town. Unless all nukes are radiation nukes and you are firing at an Immune One. Haha jk geript | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:27 VayneAuthority wrote: Actually I just went back to I swear this is mini mafia and cross analyzed jampi there where he got mislynched day 1 and his play here is very different. I am fairly convinced he is scum now. When he flipped town there he actually gave reasons for his scum/town reads and contributed to the thread before he died, here he is a lot angrier/slinging shit. He only came back to the thread once he realized he was saved by geript. ##unvote ##vote: Jampi Holy shit what? I did not expect this out of you. | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:30 Koshi wrote: He agreed with you! You must now become best friends. Yeah... I just moved him from scummy to null read. What is happening... | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:39 Xatalos wrote: Nevermind, VA voted for jampidampi. Hmm.. What do you think our best course of action would be if jampi flips town? | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:41 Xatalos wrote: VA, how were you suddenly convinced on jampidampi? Seems like some meta reason but.... It's just sudden. It's actually extremely convenient. At first I was shocked, but now I'm starting to realize that it's probably a move to bus him. Still, he did say that geript shouldn't defense the nuke on him, so I'm still skeptical. Even if Vayne is town, that doesn't mean jampidampi is town as well. It does make it a bit more likely, but I'm not sure if it justifies a Maju lynch. | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:44 Alakaslam wrote: What is happening is you can be wrong more often than you realize. You have been missing connections more often recently, that is what motivates my vote on you. My realization that this can happen to town too is why I moved it. Even if my reads are wrong, that doesn't make me scum. I would like to remind you that I think you are confirmed town. Would you like to dispute that read as well? Didn't you say you found Vayne suspicious basically the whole game until around 10 pages ago? | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:48 Koshi wrote: @FirmTofu In your world there are 12 scum players. I think it is safe to say that your reads are wrong. I have only accused: Vayne Ace jampidampi WoS<--- I no longer think he is scum I am now starting to form possible scum reads on you and geript. I have many reasons to accuse multiple people at once. 1) It gets people talking 2) It makes people angry, forcing mistakes 3) It makes me look pro-town to town 4) It draws attention to me These are not characteristics of scum. | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:57 Xatalos wrote: If jampidampi flips town, please do nuke MajuGarzett (at night preferably). If jampidampi flips scum, nuke someone else. But don't nuke someone else without consulting us first. (looks at geript) | ||
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On July 12 2013 07:20 Xatalos wrote: I also think that strongandbig is the most likely fakeclaimer among us Immune Ones at the moment. What I don't understand is his motive for claiming if he is scum. I'm going to take a look at his votes on previous wagons and form a new read on him. | ||
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On July 12 2013 07:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Also stutters. Why not stutters. This is an excellent choice as well. I forgot about him. | ||
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On July 12 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote: This is an excellent choice as well. I forgot about him. Actually stutters may not be the best choice. It looks like he was on the Dandel lynch. It's possible he was bussing, but is it likely? I'm not entirely convinced. | ||
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On July 12 2013 07:30 Xatalos wrote: I'm going to sleep now but final words for Ace: Just nuke MajuGarzett. It's not just the fact of him being scummy (especially after jampidampi's flip), but maybe equally important is how productive D3 will be. If MajuGarzett lives, (most) everyone will just vote for him and D3's activity, quality contributions, arguments, effort put in by various players..... Everything pro-town will be severy reduced. The same might have well happened during D2 if XigXag hadn't been nuked by Sentinel. We might have just all agreed to vote for XigXag in the end, destroying all the great activity we had with the jampidampi/MajuGarzett/VayneAuthority arguments. If there isn't one scummy player on whom everyone agrees on, it becomes much, much harder for scum to sheep/bus and townies will be more easily distinguished from scum. Just do it! I can support this. | ||
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OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Dandel Ion (8): strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, jampidampi (12): MajuGarzett (3): Day 1: OriginalName vs Dandel Ion We know the alignments of both people. We can infer that scum would probably not want to be bussing on day 1, when it is not absolutely necessary. Therefore, the people on the Dandel wagon are extremely likely to be town and the people on the ON wagon are probably around an even split between town and scum. The scummiest people on the ON wagon are those who pushed it to save Dandel from death. That includes me, but because I know I am town, I will exclude myself from this analysis. Remember, the deciding votes are especially important. In my opinion, these are are people coming off as scummy from the ON lynch (from most scummy to least): ghost_403/Koshi Alakaslam gumshoe Onegu geript Chezinu austinmcc Alakaslam is a funny one. He initially hopped on the Dandel lynch when he thought it was inevitable. Then, when it looked like ON was picking up steam, he hopped on that lynch. Finally, when the lynch was imminent, he jumped over to Vayne to appear like he had nothing to do with the mislynch. It feels like he knew what the flip would be beforehand. Day 2: This day is a bit harder to analyze. We know that Maju is somewhat more likely to be scum because of the flip but we can't be certain. People coming off as scummy from the jampi lynch (from most scummy to least): Onegu Alakaslam ghost_403/Koshi geript (gumshoe for not voting) These are basically the people that couldn't decide one way or another until the lynch was already decided. They just jumped onto the wagon with the most votes and hoped that no one would care. This signifies apathy and is somewhat suggestive that these players are trying to more concerned about staying in the town's "good books" as long as possible instead of scumhunting. I no longer think Vayne or Ace are scum. | ||
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My new top 3 scumreads are: Onegu Alakaslam ghost_403/Koshi If I had to add two more people, I would say gumshoe and Chezinu. | ||
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On July 12 2013 07:38 WaveofShadow wrote: People seem to forget something. The people on the DI lynch are far from clear. Vayne should know this, but a scum Dandel ACTIVELY encourages people to bus him. I can link proof from Les scum QT if you wish. I think the best bet for scum bussing Dandel is SnB. What do you think? | ||
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You've been talking a lot about Austin and SnB. Could you give your thoughts on exactly you are concerned about with SnB please? Where would you place him on your reads? | ||
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On July 12 2013 10:01 Z-BosoN wrote: I didn't put him in cause I have to go over him carefully. He's much more relaxed this game than I remember him, but isn't particularly helpful and I remember I felt his "thoughts on the rayne claim " be totally out of place. His claim also felt very out of place, especially given that he's avoided all the major discussions so far (like Ace pointed out). It feels like he is pretty lazy this game, but I'll have to check carefully to see if it's mafia-oriented or not, right now I've had enough of mafia. Anyways, what do you disagree on VA? You seemed to think him scum earlier... what changed your mind? About VA, I'm not convinced one way or the other. His voting patterns don't really make sense from a scum perspective. His play this game has been scummy, but I'm not sure I can label him as scum with the information I have at hand. If I recall correctly, he voted for Dandel as well. Like I said, I reserve the right to change this opinion. | ||
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On July 12 2013 11:28 Alakaslam wrote: Tofu sorry about delay. Had to meet with my boss... Onegu is more likely to be town by association due to the flip by like 2% but yes. "Irreverent"... Hehehe I post at ppl all the time But yeah, it's for lack of knowing what to do. I'll try to get better, I just struggle and struggle with knowing what to do. I have a much easier time making townreads than scumreads. But the Scumreads are more important. Here is my opinion on who is town fwiw, in no particular order: Ace Geript WoS tofu Onegu zboson Chezinu Xatalos Oatsmaster uonseintenal strongandbig CaucasianAsian and maybe Austin. Don't worry Alakaslam, you are playing well. I have a few questions for you. Why do you place me on your town read list? The flips should incriminate me, not exonerate me. You found me scummy during Day 2, so why don't you still find me scummy? Why is Onegu more likely to be town by association? He voted both ON and jampi who both flipped town. Can you explain why you see Onegu as more town? I'm curious as to why Xatalos is not on your list. Did you simply forget to include him or do you see him as scum? | ||
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On July 12 2013 11:42 johnnywup wrote: xatalos is on that list Oh poop, I can't read. Ignore that last question, Alakaslam. | ||
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Moving on to Onegu... Um...where is he? | ||
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On July 12 2013 15:07 Xatalos wrote: Hihi everyone. I'm starting to feel that I die tonight, with everyone chanting my über-townishness. The only reason I see for my survival is that my power is relatively useless. But if there are 2 NK's again, the situation looks grim for me. Currently I'm mostly angry at myself for already pushing two mislynches (worse still, one away from a confirmed scum and one away from a likely scum). I never believed I'd say this, but maybe people should listen to Ace more. He's been likely correct about two lynches already and I doubt he'd be bussing this ruthlessly as scum. Also, his posts after being nuked were pretty townish. With that said, I have reached a new conclusion on who the remaining 4 scum probably are (if it's a normal setup and around 20% of the players are scum). I also have an idea on who might be the 3rd party (likely an SK-type role but with nukes instead of NK's). And I'm pretty confident in my townreads at the moment. I'm considering if I should A) save everything for right before the nightpost to make scum's targeting harder B) post before that to encourage more discussion and help polish my reads / answer questions (since I'm likely dead now anyways) I can't really post for a bit (just typing on my phone hastily atm), but I think I could finish my "last will" several hours before the deadline. Opinions? I am in the same position as you Xatalos(except I backed off the ON lynch at the last second). I don't know why everyone thinks you and me are town, honestly. I think you are town because you mirror my behavior and you probably think the same of me for the same reason. There is little reason why any rational observer should think the same. As for the decision you need to make... I want you to save your scumreads for the time right before the nightpost, HOWEVER, I don't think we should stop discussing reads altogether. That would only serve to help scum. Therefore, I have a few questions for you. 1) We currently have Alakaslam claiming Russian Technician. We have lost a town sided North-Korean Technician and we have killed a scum sided North-Korean Technician. Do you doubt the veracity of Alakaslam's claim at all based on this new information? 2) We have Onegu/SnB/You all claiming The Immune One. You are in a very unique position to handle this issue because you are 100% certain about your own alignment. Therefore, your opinion on the matter is on critical importance. You have already stated that you think SnB is the most likely to be scum in the group claim. However, Onegu has voted on both mislynches and SnB voted to lynch Dandel who flipped scum. Are you willing to hold your stance based on this contradictory information? 3) Who would be your best vigi target if you had a nuke? | ||
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If so, this is easily resolved. Medics on Xatalos, now. We need Xatalos alive because he is a 1) An almost confirmed town 2) Can vigi kill someone. I'm not entirely convinced Stutters would be the best target just because he also bussed Dandel. I'd like to discuss the nuke target first. Ace apparently launched a nuke at Maju, but nothing actually happened... Was Ace lying as I initially thought? Remember, we still haven't heard from the person who supposedly gave him a maju during Day 2. He also has not confirmed my story yet. | ||
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What do you think of the theory that Dandel told most of his scum team to bus him day 1 because he didn't feel like playing? I'm starting to think this is exactly what happened. It is evidence by the fact that Dandel nor XigXag ever put up a decent fight defending themselves. There were plenty of lukers, isn't it odd that the one lurker who is mafia gets picked on first? Couldn't mafia relatively easily redirect the wagon to another lurker before it picked up steam? I'm thinkin that the reason mafia never redirected the wagon was because they wanted Dandel dead to establish themselves as part of a wagon that flipped scum. | ||
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On July 13 2013 03:56 strongandbig wrote: mafia did redirect the wagon to originalname No, town did that because the Dandel wagon had too many inconsistencies. I still think that anyone who switched from Dandel to ON comes off the worst from this. There was very little reason to do that unless you were apathetic about the lynch. If my theory is correct, a good many people on the Dandel wagon are scum and a few people that hammered ON are possible scum. | ||
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On July 13 2013 03:59 Stutters695 wrote: I make nukes that may or may not be duds. It's rngd or some shit. I don't understand the abbreviation. Can you post your role pm? When do you make nukes? When can you deliver them to others? | ||
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I'm with Austin on this. Stutters has previous knowledge that he is not telling us. It looks like he deliberately fabricated parts of his role pm. We have a detective case on your hands, my friends. | ||
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I'm not sure so don't do it unless you pm a mod about it. I'm on phone atm so I can't do it. | ||
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First of all, it wouldn't matter to you, right? They are both town and you know that. Secondly, Maju was on your scumteam, so I thought you wouldn't push that hard for a target when you could just suggest a target for her in the scum QT. It was a really good play, but I'd like to know what prompted you to do it. | ||
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