First off, I want to make explain why I think this is an exceptionally odd set of kills.

Why Rayn is an odd kill. There's 0 reason for town to vigilante Rayn here; it could just be bad vigilante play, but I don't think it is. The shot should be claimed before hand, first off, and second Rayn is in a situation where he needs to be able to explain shit fully. When a guy who has a supertown read for most of day 1 to catch a bunch of flak, especially on for standard policy lynch reasons, to be NKd is an exceptionally odd choice as he provides huge potential to allow for lurking/non-constructive activity. He's probably the best player in the game (except for maybe Ace), which makes the NK semi-expected but in this situation isn't one where (as scum) I'd be pro-NK on Rayn.

The MZ kill is odd for different reasons. From what I know, MZ is a decent town player; I think BC respects him to some extent. But if you're killing Rayn, there's very little reason to NK MZ. You're limiting the NK implication backlash solely to Ace and austin. Of those two, Austin looks far FAR more like scum to be because of the strong similarities between PTP and this game.

All that said, this set of NKs also implicates WoS. The only 'productive' thing that WoS had done so far was redirect the nuke from MZ to NG. I need to think on this more and I need to go back and filter myself some. I think I've been on the right track just have gotten off on little minor things that aren't important.
I have a huge important test that I must pass so I'll be back tomorrow night and (possibly) later tonight some.

geript

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July 11 2013 00:29 GMT

#1995

Any redirects should consider redirecting to stutters.

geript

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July 11 2013 00:41 GMT

#1998

On July 11 2013 09:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Nah that'd be dumb.

No. You choosing to not do shit is dumb. Here, I'm giving you 3 nukes. You must fire them today. Who you firing at and why?

geript

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July 11 2013 00:41 GMT

#1999

On July 11 2013 09:30 austinmcc wrote:

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Maaaaan, how come your reads aren't my read. I don't like xatalos for mafia, and I don't really think Onegu is scum, based on the roles that make sense for him to be kind of sort of dancing around having.

Why don't you like an Onegu lynch?

geript

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July 11 2013 00:49 GMT

#2001

@WoS... You going to start playing an anal-izing any time soon luv tunnel?

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July 11 2013 00:59 GMT

#2006

On July 11 2013 07:52 Xatalos wrote:

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On July 11 2013 07:18 austinmcc wrote:

On July 11 2013 07:03 Xatalos wrote:

On July 11 2013 04:38 austinmcc wrote:
Xatalos, what are your thoughts on the exchange between Oats and I, specifically the Oats end of things?

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Ok so anyone who reads this needs to go ahead and answer me back in a nested quote. I'm reading through the thread and figured that since scum tend to not go through nested quotes because they don't need to read that much, then it will be a really easy way for us to talk in the open without encrypting but in such a way that it's reasonably hidden. Just because someone catches on to this, don't assume their town, but they're more likely to be town then.

Hmm. I have a hard time accepting that Oatsmaster would be scum (saved me unnecessarily D1) and you town (with you doing nothing D1, then launching the lynch on ON and immediately starting to back off from it, then almost completely ignoring rayn's fakeclaim... yeah, the list goes on).

With that said, that exchange looked like you were figuring out stuff while Oatsmaster was just... being pretty defensive and posting one-liners (and his stance on DI felt a bit confusing). If I had to look at just that single exchange, without looking at anything else, I'd say that you were town and Oatsmaster scum. Maybe town&town, that's possible. Probably not scum&scum though, unless it was some carefully crafted strategy to put distance between two scum (unlikely).

But with THAT said, I don't have to look at just that single exchange, and maybe Oatsmaster had a bad day and you were putting in a lot of effort to look town. I find it especially hard to believe that scum Oatsmaster would use his anti-nuke to save me D1.

I will mostly agree with this if I didn't have my role PM. Some thoughts:

Read Oats's filter and take out the defense. He's got pages, way more than I remembered, yet most of it is one-off comments on something that happened or asking someone for their reads. The filter reads like involvement w/o any sort of pushing the game forward himself
His defense on you is pretty much the towniest thing in there. However, unless he just did it for fun, it had to be activated in thread. scumOats would have a hard time using that on a scumbuddy because - (1) if the scumbuddy is being nuked because of consensus scumread, Oats can't really go YOLO SAVE THAT DUDE and (2) if he or his defense target ever flip scum, the other guy is heavily implicated. IMO, he doesn't give up much by defending a townie, he stops one KP but gives himself carte blanche for a bit.
Sweet Jesus maybe he's just having a bad day, but he can admit that. You find me scummy for some of my play, but I don't think I'm your tip-top scumread. Oats walks in and I'm his #1 scumread, he doesn't seem to have read thread, and he doesn't seem to BE reading thread as we talk (MZ can shut down nuke factories, therefore scum probably have nuke factories; he doesn't seem to remember why I was scummy on FirmTofu at one point, even though he AGREED with my read at that point)

Another way to look at it is...you're mafia and you have a one-shot save from a nuke, but you have to post in thread to activate it. Do you use it on a buddy or on town?

Now that I think about it, if I was scum and in Oatsmaster's situation, I would very possibly use it on a townie to gain easy towncred. Of course if there was an active and somewhat townish scum player, that might be an OK target as well... Although it might backfire heavily if one of you two flipped at any point. Yeah, it's definitely safer to use it on townie. Especially if there is nobody even semi-townish in the scumteam, it would basically be suicide to save any of your scumbuddies, and saving even just a *semi*-townish player would cast doubt on you.

Who cares. If Oats is town, then we shouldn't consider him town only and solely for nixing a nuke. If Oats is scum, he'll be scummy for reasons other than nixing a nuke on a possible teammate. This is wasted bull.

geript

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July 11 2013 01:01 GMT

#2008

@Ace how do you feel about Alakaslam?

geript

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July 11 2013 01:02 GMT

#2009

nm, you'd probably just say he's too cheery to be scum

geript

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July 11 2013 01:08 GMT

#2014

@Ace... Do you trust me?

geript

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July 11 2013 01:16 GMT

#2016

Nuke oats

geript

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July 11 2013 01:25 GMT

#2020

Because there's no way that town has 2 multi-use missile defense grids.

geript

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July 11 2013 01:28 GMT

#2023

On July 11 2013 10:27 austinmcc wrote:
Ahahahaha. i c wut u did there geript

Are you sure you did?

geript

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July 11 2013 02:05 GMT

#2042

On July 11 2013 11:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im currently grappling with the fact that Maju could be bad townie or scum. He hasnt really chimed in a lot about the major happenings of the game like rayns fake nuke thing and of all the nukes, only defended WoS from being scum.
Then again, he looks like hes putting in effort to play the game unlike other people.

This is like the second time Oats has defended Maju and the first was pretty early. Not sure why I find this important.

geript

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July 11 2013 02:14 GMT

#2045

On July 11 2013 11:06 VayneAuthority wrote:

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If oats is scum then well played, he's been saving my town reads all day. Will deal with him at lylo if I have to.

Scum try to save lynchable town all the time. Him saving town doesn't automatically make him town. You should know this.

geript

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July 11 2013 02:20 GMT

#2049

On July 11 2013 11:18 VayneAuthority wrote:

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Ace isn't gonna get lynched. He's only dying to a nuke or night kill. Theres like 15 lurkers in this game and he's actively giving us info to work with, how would he get lynched? lol

I was talking about it being the second time that Oats has defended Maju... perhaps you should RTFT

geript

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July 11 2013 02:25 GMT

#2053

My bad. So I should be reading closer. The fact remains, nothing stops him from doing this as scum.

geript

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July 11 2013 16:10 GMT

#2189

Maju is definitely the lynch. Oats is right in that that nuke was fucking terrible. Not a bad choice but people shouldn't need reassurance to want to nuke a lurker. It's stark contrast from Whoops who nuked his own target and had reasons for the target.

geript

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July 11 2013 16:13 GMT

#2190

He's all up on Onegu and VA then decides... "I'll nuke either VA or Jampi. I need help deciding." Then after getting feedback all over the place he decides to listen to FT to fire the nuke. Why not Stutters instead of Jampi?