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Sanya12364 Posts
On July 07 2013 18:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:-snip- Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 10:19 austinmcc wrote:On July 07 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote:
The post-chez stuff is shitting up the thread but doing so in a very obvious and very...wrong way. If he's scum and just trying to get chez nuked, that seems silly AND is going to put a target on his head if chez were town (OMG CHEZ NUKED TOWN, NUKE CHEZ, OMG CHEZ WAS TOWN....NUKE ME?).
Therefore, I don't want to lynch him right now. Does this make sense, MZ? If he were scum, he's either trying to sac chez for credit or he's trying to get someone to nuke town chez for nuking town xat. (Or both are scum and then rayn wouldn't be doing this probs, because he'd look bad/odd when xat flipped) What, specifically, are you seeing in terms of him going from defensive --> shitting, and why does it give you a scumread? This is a good question and i want it answered too. Because i have not been defensive and i have not been shitting the thread. About Chezinu and his nuke: If Chezinu is town: - Nuke is real: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? If you think he is mafia, why would you not give reasons for your nuke? - Nuke is a dud or smth: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? Best case scenario is that nothing happens at the deadline, worst case scenario is town uses anti-nuke or something to stop the nuke, Chezinu get's lynched. Chezinu is crazy, but he is not stupid. Therefore i do not see a reason for him to nuke a player i see most likely to be town at this point. This also is Chezinu's nuke. If mafia used Chez's post as a cover to launch a silent nuke, he would have said that's the case already. If Chezinu is mafia: - Nuke is real and Chezinu launched it: Makes people go "no you can't be mafia for nuking at this point" like you all are. Townie dies. Profit! - Nuke is real and Chezinu's scumbuddy launched it: What i said before, but even better. If you get lynched for it, you don't lose the guy who is nuking. Double profit! - Nuke is a dud or smth: Make town to possibly waste anti-nuke or something to stop the "nuke". There are a lot of upsides in launching a nuke at this point for mafia. If Xatalos is mafia, launcing a dud nuke on your scumbuddy is brilliant. Regardless of Xatalos' affiliation you confuse the thread. There is zero benefit launching a nuke as town, even if you believed that Xatalos is mafia, all you can do is possibly fuck up town's play and sidetrack us to talk about something that is not relevant at all. Unless Chezinu outs his reasoning for nuking Xatalos, i'm keeping my vote on him. And no, insanity is not a reason. If Chezinu was Drazerk i could buy that, but he is not. He is a smart guy who is in some twisted way good at this shit. If someone disagrees with me, tell me where i am wrong.
It's not that we've cleared Chezinu. In fact, he's still being looked at fairly hard. It's just that I'm not on board for immediate action.
For town play, it's bad town play. But for scum play, it's bad too, because right now town has no information or leads to go on and doing this sort of thing immediately gives town a lead and potential for better analysis.
At this point, I'm willing to wait for Chezinu's reasoning or for Xatalos's flip before acting on it.
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@Chezinu
Any reason to exclude SnB and ghost?
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Just finished reading thread.
So much crap for day 1 lol
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On July 07 2013 19:33 jampidampi wrote:
@Chezinu
Any reason to exclude SnB and ghost?
they had another post aside from /in. didn't check dates
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So.. you guys want to play a game?
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On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote:
@rayn... was that you?
No it was not me.
I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so.
Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me.
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I think it's safe to assume that there are stealth nukes in this game - the OP did mention that there are different types of nukes.
I wanna see how Chezinu's nukes turn out though.
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Looks like I'm still alive. Although after re-reading the rules, it's not that surprising:
On June 21 2013 05:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Nukes can be fired up to 12 hours until the next deadline. It will be announced in thread whenever a nuke is fired. The nuke will trigger at the end of the deadline.
There are many different types of nukes.
So:
1) apparently every nuke will hit at the deadline, not before or after that time
2) there are different types of nukes
I can say that I'm immune to one type of nuke, but clearly I'm still in danger of death, since I don't know which type of nuke Chezinu launched at me. Ultimately it will be resolved at the deadline. If someone wants to use an anti-nuke or something, feel free to do so, although I can't be certain if it's necessary or not.
Chezinu, if you are town, I'd like to hear your reasoning for launching a nuke at me and the type of that nuke.
On July 07 2013 18:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED ![[image loading]](http://strikefighterconsultinginc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/url13.jpg) A nuke has been spotted heading towards Meapak_Ziphh.
This at least proves that nukes don't necessarily have to be claimed. Dunno if Chezinu's nuke required claiming, but there's at least a strong possibility that he claimed it without needing to. That makes him look more townish IMO - why claim if my town flip would just put him in a tough spot as scum?
On the other hand, nobody claiming this nuke aimed at Meapak makes it likely a scum nuke... And Meapak town based on that.
On July 07 2013 15:47 Alakaslam wrote:
VayneAuthority is tunneling jwupwut I forget his name for a stupid reason. This doesn't implicate Vayne in and of itself. Jwupwut looks like town.
Is that an actual read? If so, why?
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On July 07 2013 18:23 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chezinu what was your motive for nuking Xatalos?
Tell me why he's mafia. So, you are saying that Xatalos is mafia, but you want me to come up with reasons for you? You seem so certain that he is mafia in this statement.
Not sure if Chezinu is actually being stupid or just pretending...
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On July 07 2013 16:58 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
- If gumshoe was mafia and you town - why would gumshoe tell you, a town player, how to meta-read him better as he has claimed he is always a "wild card" who is unreadable?
- If gumshoe is town and you town - makes sense, you don't waste time on him if you believe him, and he is telling the truth
- If you are both mafia - why say that in thread? actually why would either of you enter that discussion (pointless) in thread? Here's my problem with this line of reasoning. Because meta is essentially worthless except for forming accusations or putting the icing on a nice big case, I don't think that talking about how to 'appropriately' determine someone's meta is pro-town or pro-scum. Scum can use it as a distration; town can use it to better give information and help solidify towniness. But it's not a way to get a town read imo. Right now, I would be down for the following lynches. I will explain more about why tomorrow after d&d WaveofShadow Onegu Vayne austin caucasainasian
I agree that it's too early to call me or gumshoe "supertown" for some small early-game posts. But at least there's a logical reason here, so I'm not bothered about raynpelikoneet's early posts anymore. What I AM a bit bothered about is his admittance that your early pressure on him wasn't scummy after all, yet hesitating on saying how that affects his scumread on you. Why the weird reluctance? Well, I'm leaning town on him now anyway, so it's nothing too major.
Btw geript, johnnywup doesn't appear scummy at all to you?
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Btw strongandbig, I hope you're not planning to AFK your way to death once again.
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On July 07 2013 15:49 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 13:37 johnnywup wrote:On July 07 2013 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 07 2013 10:30 geript wrote:On July 07 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
But honey I didn't make it obvious! How did you figure me out? Just tell me who is on your scum team. Well since you caught me I feel it's only fair. It's me, Ace, SnB, CaucasianAsian, and of course I'm bussing johnnywup. could you please stop shitting up this thread? And this post is doing what? I really dont like most of your posts, that being said Im not convinced you are scum yet. Is chezinu just crazy and will be like this all game?
Onegu's posting is giving me scummy vibes atm. This is just so non-committal. "johnnywup might be scum, or he might not. What should my read on Chezinu be guys?"
And this earlier post...
On July 07 2013 08:26 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos:
There is a significant difference how people act as scum or as town.
I say X is town. Town players usually ask me to provide some evidence on that, and base their read on me based on that evidence. Scum say "you are scum, you can't have a townread on him based on anything".
geript is scum for that, are you? Wait what? This is only my third game but I thought the request was reasonable. And I would like to know why you are fighting giving reasons for makeing a town read so hard. I want reasons so I can compare my thoughts and give feedback just because you have a town read doesnt mean I do and your reasons my make me look at him in a different light.
Many sentences, appears contributive. Doesn't actually do anything at all for the thread. Crosses the border to scummy semi-contribution IMO.
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On July 07 2013 20:28 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 15:49 Onegu wrote:On July 07 2013 13:37 johnnywup wrote:On July 07 2013 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 07 2013 10:30 geript wrote:On July 07 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
But honey I didn't make it obvious! How did you figure me out? Just tell me who is on your scum team. Well since you caught me I feel it's only fair. It's me, Ace, SnB, CaucasianAsian, and of course I'm bussing johnnywup. could you please stop shitting up this thread? And this post is doing what? I really dont like most of your posts, that being said Im not convinced you are scum yet. Is chezinu just crazy and will be like this all game? Onegu's posting is giving me scummy vibes atm. This is just so non-committal. "johnnywup might be scum, or he might not. What should my read on Chezinu be guys?" And this earlier post... Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:26 Onegu wrote:On July 07 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos:
There is a significant difference how people act as scum or as town.
I say X is town. Town players usually ask me to provide some evidence on that, and base their read on me based on that evidence. Scum say "you are scum, you can't have a townread on him based on anything".
geript is scum for that, are you? Wait what? This is only my third game but I thought the request was reasonable. And I would like to know why you are fighting giving reasons for makeing a town read so hard. I want reasons so I can compare my thoughts and give feedback just because you have a town read doesnt mean I do and your reasons my make me look at him in a different light. Many sentences, appears contributive. Doesn't actually do anything at all for the thread. Crosses the border to scummy semi-contribution IMO.
The best part is that he asks my reasoning for my gumshoe read so that he can compare his thoughts on the matter and give feedback. When i give my reasons he does... nothing. :D
Agreed that Onegu is scummy as hell.
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On July 07 2013 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 20:28 Xatalos wrote:On July 07 2013 15:49 Onegu wrote:On July 07 2013 13:37 johnnywup wrote:On July 07 2013 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 07 2013 10:30 geript wrote:On July 07 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
But honey I didn't make it obvious! How did you figure me out? Just tell me who is on your scum team. Well since you caught me I feel it's only fair. It's me, Ace, SnB, CaucasianAsian, and of course I'm bussing johnnywup. could you please stop shitting up this thread? And this post is doing what? I really dont like most of your posts, that being said Im not convinced you are scum yet. Is chezinu just crazy and will be like this all game? Onegu's posting is giving me scummy vibes atm. This is just so non-committal. "johnnywup might be scum, or he might not. What should my read on Chezinu be guys?" And this earlier post... On July 07 2013 08:26 Onegu wrote:On July 07 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos:
There is a significant difference how people act as scum or as town.
I say X is town. Town players usually ask me to provide some evidence on that, and base their read on me based on that evidence. Scum say "you are scum, you can't have a townread on him based on anything".
geript is scum for that, are you? Wait what? This is only my third game but I thought the request was reasonable. And I would like to know why you are fighting giving reasons for makeing a town read so hard. I want reasons so I can compare my thoughts and give feedback just because you have a town read doesnt mean I do and your reasons my make me look at him in a different light. Many sentences, appears contributive. Doesn't actually do anything at all for the thread. Crosses the border to scummy semi-contribution IMO. The best part is that he asks my reasoning for my gumshoe read so that he can compare his thoughts on the matter and give feedback. When i give my reasons he does... nothing. :D Agreed that Onegu is scummy as hell.
Haha, indeed.
Btw I don't think you have mentioned johnnywup so far? Looks like he got 5 votes already and I'm fine with him being lynched, although Onegu might be even better. Both could be scum though I guess.
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On July 07 2013 20:12 Xatalos wrote:
I agree that it's too early to call me or gumshoe "supertown" for some small early-game posts. But at least there's a logical reason here, so I'm not bothered about raynpelikoneet's early posts anymore. What I AM a bit bothered about is his admittance that your early pressure on him wasn't scummy after all, yet hesitating on saying how that affects his scumread on you. Why the weird reluctance? Well, I'm leaning town on him now anyway, so it's nothing too major.
Btw geript, johnnywup doesn't appear scummy at all to you?
Meh, I went back and read through LXI and PYP. I'm not all ready to be lovey dovey with Rayn, but I'm ok with him for now.
Not really. Seems more likely to be town by how fast he picked up some votes especially for pretty weak reasoning. I'm going to go with "too stupid to be scum." I mean, I'd love to have him be scum instead of my wubbybumpkin WoS, but I like WoS as scum far far more.
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I gotta agree with geript regarding johnnywup. Seems like a lynchbait to me atm.
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I'm awake, what's up guys?
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Hmm.. What has made WoS worthy of your tunneling action? IMO he looks more townish than in PTP so far.
Sometimes simple is the right explanation. Like we should have lynched austinmcc earlier in PTP, but then we got sidetracked :/ johnnywup and Onegu have been vague and waffly so far -> good chances of flipping scum. No need to make it too complicated with "gathering votes too fast" or something like that.
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