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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 08 2013 19:42 GMT
#1198
On July 09 2013 04:39 Xatalos wrote:
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On July 09 2013 04:38 Dandel Ion wrote:
Honestly, Chezinu is looking a lot more coherent than I remember him being in LX, his only scumgame I've seen so far.
He actually has posts you can read and understand.
1 or 2 even have a semblence of scumhunting.

Looks like people are just mad he randomly nuked a guy.

Not really too hot for his lynch, though I guess it's still preferable to mine, lol.


Who would you want to lynch then?

Dunno, I have literally read one filter so far and that was chez's

I have like half an hour, so I'm looking around. Maybe I'll even find scum.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 08 2013 19:53 GMT
#1214
On July 09 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Xat, or Ace was right and Chez is forced to fire off fake nukes every day or some shit.

that would make no sense as a role at all.


In other news, I'd totes lynch Caucasianasian, but it looks like that guy is getting modkilled anyways since he hasn't voted as far as I can see.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 08 2013 20:29 GMT
#1246
fucking shit i just wrote a post on caucasianasian and then my PC crashed literally 5 seconds before I posted it.
fml

I really need to go, like, 5 minutes ago

I'll read the ON case that happened inbetween and quickly decide if i want to sheep it, toodles
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 09 2013 14:22 GMT
#1708
On July 09 2013 22:35 Ace wrote:
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On July 09 2013 22:10 jampidampi wrote:
On July 09 2013 22:06 Ace wrote:
@jampidampi: Ok I'm going to go with your assumption.

Here's my new thought process.

Rayne does not have nukes. Period. His fake ##nuke Xalatos confirms this.

stuff happens, rayne claims he launched the nuke on MZ. If rayne is Town why would he claim this?

Rayne must assume that the nuke came from Scum. Hence his read on MZ being Town. MZ later flips out when he notices this contradiction.

rayne says he was setting up a gambit to catch scum here.

If this is the way you see it, then I must ask - how would he know the nuke came from scum?

He has a post reasoning why the nuke is from scum:
On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote:
@rayn... was that you?

No it was not me.

I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so.

Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me.


Town is not going to willy nilly claim nukes on the first day. If we all claimed we could nuke how would that tell us who nuked MZ? We can't verify anything that quickly in the game and Scum may also have nukes. That explanation is not a strong argument at all.

Also we have to be aware of a fallacy here. If MZ is Town and he was nuked, and no one claims we are assuming it came from Scum. It could come from a townie who did not want to fess up. It could have come from 3rd party who isn't claiming shit. We are assuming that not claiming = Scum motivation. rayne claims it at the end of the day, and thus should be considered Town for fessing up to a legit nuke that he came up with an explanation for ahead of time. If not, he was just setting up a gambit to catch scum. That is extremely convenient wouldn't you say so?

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On July 09 2013 22:11 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 21:55 Ace wrote:
On July 09 2013 21:43 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote:
On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote:
How is it wrong? Be objective here.

There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town.

MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from.

I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch.

Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless.


So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all.


Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now.


Explain why:
1) scum rayn would stealth nuke Meapak (instead of his eternal enemy Chezinu), base his townread on Meapak (at least partly) on his own lie, then be happy to redirect the nuke to NG
2) reveal all this quite a bit later with absolutely zero reason to do that and put himself under pressure
3) gather reactions without caring for his own safety and then reveal this plan

No matter how I look at it, I see no reason for scum rayn to do all this.



1.) why wouldn't he stealth nuke someone that is probably Town? durr? If he and Chezinu are scum buddies together then doesn't it make sense for him not to nuke him? If rayne's nukes can only be activated by stealth then this is moot as he would never even do so. If you honestly believe rayne has the capability to nuke another player and is Town - then why not nuke Chezinu?

2.) I don't think he actually thought it through well enough or he really believed he could get away with it. Again, MZ was the one who called him out on this. Unless you have a problem with MZ's post, then I don't see why you are over thinking this. Notice that even after he claimed he wasn't under any pressure. So he could very well have been correct in thinking he was safe on it.

3.) I don't understand where this is going. If you are assuming that only Town players will act bold you are acting under a false premise.


Here's my thing: Why is the DI/ON lynch not a major deal to you? That was a last minute wagon flip that resulted in a townie lynch. The guy who was going to be lynched got away with a scant post in his defense and disappeared. ON put up a defense and votes weren't moved off of him. You don't see a problem here?


I agree with geript's reasoning that the DI wagon went too smoothly without disagreement (only geript opposed it until austinmcc finally made his case, and DI had like 10+ votes at that point?). That means DI is probably town. If that is true, then there's literally zero reason for scum rayn to change the lynch from town to town. Even if DI were scum, you have zero reason to pursue rayn until 1) DI has flipped red and 2) you explain why rayn is more scummy for that than me or austin who were more strongly pursuing ON. It's just senseless all around.

1) I do not believe rayn has the capacity to launch a nuke. In that case, he would have surely launched it at Chezinu regardless of his alignnment (even as scum it would be stupid to launch at someone else and then claim a bit later).
2) Scum do not act rashly or carelessly, they are careful and serious. This is everything but careful and very risky for little if any gain (as scum). See the point?
3) See above.


Ok I'm going to put myself in your shoes. I definitely believe that sometimes if a wagon is going too smoothly unopposed, it may be a Town lynch. So there were definitely legit pro-town motives for stopping the wagon. However, there also exists scum motives for stopping it if DI is Scum. Of course we do not know what his alignment is so both happen to coincide. Here is my disagreement with "Di is probably Town": He told us he would be lurking at the start of the game and peaced out. Right before his lynch, he shows up to defend himself, people are easily convinced and we end up lynching ON. My problem here is that ON also posted a credible defense, but votes still piled on to him. Look at the voting lists for DI vs ON. Lots of those people never even voted for DI. If DI is Scum and his buddies held off long enough then when they appear to vote ON they don't look bad for not vote switching on to an innocent lynch. They just happened to be convinced by austin's case and voted.

Now back to this: if you believe that rayne is scum and DI is town then why wouldn't he help change the vote? If that is thread sentiment he still appears to be Town. If neither of his scum buddies are up for vote then why does it matter? I think you have this notion that all scum play the same way and that assumption is making you think rayne must be Town. For the last time, since I've answered this so much: I pursued rayne because of MZ's post. I'm not going to throw suspicion on several people, especially at night. That accomplishes nothing. Also stop assuming I don't have suspicions anywhere else.

1.) If you do not believe rayne has the capacity to launch nukes then what do you think of MZ's post? You must be believing rayne had this gambit setup well ahead of time then correct? If he is Scum and Chez is scum then he isn't going to launch no matter what. He could have easily felt no one would go back and read early day 1. No one except MZ went back to do so. He is rightly justified in making that play then.

2.) That is a false assumption. I don't think you can even get half the forum to agree with you on that. You are flat out wrong.




1) haters gonna hate
2) lining up them mislynches
On July 09 2013 22:56 Ace wrote:
Dandel. I'm not sure about my other scum reads yet, and I'd rather take care off this business first.

3) let's tunnel dandel instead of doing anything else because it's so much easier



4) haters gonna hate
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 09 2013 16:49 GMT
#1732
On July 09 2013 23:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Honestly nothing Rayn has done makes a whole lot of sense anymore so I don't know what to think.
I DO think DI is scum and needs to be destroyed, however.

bro I'm confirmed town.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 09 2013 20:13 GMT
#1765
Sorry guys I'm currently busy in the name of justice.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 09 2013 20:22 GMT
#1771
On July 10 2013 05:20 Xatalos wrote:
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On July 10 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
Sorry guys I'm currently busy in the name of justice.


Get your lazy self together and start playing. The D1 voting behaviour won't keep you out of the fire forever (you might even be nuked at the start of D1 at this rate).

Justice is more important than winning.

I am a man of principle.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 09 2013 20:23 GMT
#1772
On July 10 2013 05:22 Xatalos wrote:
I think someone quoted a post from Dandel Ion at a ScumQT thread... Something like this: "I have no motivation to play as scum. Just bus me. I will be lynched, it's inevitable." That's what your attitude is emanating right now.

yeah i might've said that (or something close to it anyways).
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 09 2013 20:24 GMT
#1776
On July 10 2013 05:24 Xatalos wrote:
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On July 10 2013 05:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:22 Xatalos wrote:
I think someone quoted a post from Dandel Ion at a ScumQT thread... Something like this: "I have no motivation to play as scum. Just bus me. I will be lynched, it's inevitable." That's what your attitude is emanating right now.

yeah i might've said that (or something close to it anyways).


So you admit to being scum? Or?

No?

I'm saying that I have probably said "something like this" in the past.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 09 2013 20:54 GMT
#1796
On July 10 2013 05:29 Xatalos wrote:
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On July 10 2013 05:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:24 Xatalos wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:22 Xatalos wrote:
I think someone quoted a post from Dandel Ion at a ScumQT thread... Something like this: "I have no motivation to play as scum. Just bus me. I will be lynched, it's inevitable." That's what your attitude is emanating right now.

yeah i might've said that (or something close to it anyways).


So you admit to being scum? Or?

No?

I'm saying that I have probably said "something like this" in the past.


But you admitted that you feel (or at least felt before - what about these days?) unmotivated as scum.

Logical conclusion:

You feel unmotivated as scum. You are usually active and involved as town.

You've clearly felt unmotivated this game (the difference to PTP is crystal clear).

-> You are probably scum.

I think that's a reasonable deduction.

I know it's "reasonable" but that doesn't make it correct.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 20 2013 22:54 GMT
#3987
On July 21 2013 07:49 Chezinu wrote:
Oh Almost forgot!

Dandelion broke the Chezinu rule!! IT IS STILL FLAWLESS!!!

I pretended Xara broke the rule. hehe

Once u tell me what it is I might stop breaking it.

Probably not though.



also
gg yo
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