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On July 09 2013 19:45 Xatalos wrote:
Good to see you posting, but I think what you explained is more indicative of bad (town) play rather than necessarily scummy play. IMO all that can be explained by bad play rather than being scum; there's nothing that points to being scum being the more obvious explanation. I agree though that he needs to explain more and complain less.
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On July 09 2013 19:05 CaucasianAsian wrote:
I still have a scummy read on Johnny, and I'll explain below. if I'm wrong, or not on the right path, please correct me. I'm going to write this out, and then grab dinner with a friend. I won't be able to reply for a few more hours.
So Johnny went through a lot of scrutiny at first, and posts this. He pretty much says "please don't lynch me, i'm town, i'm just bad."
I don't know much about how forum-based mafia works, but in live mafia this is very commonly scum. It's usually a last hope without role calling. "I know I'm bad, and I'm no use to anyone, but please let me live" It's simply not beneficial in any circumstance to state that you are bad at the game when you are trying to avoid a lynch.
I find that many people are just saying "i think he's scummy." in this game. To be honest, it really annoys me as they are not giving any basis behind it. It's the whole conspiracy theorist bullshit that you see on forums all the time. "If you don't believe it, just do the research yourself". It's annoying, makes other people do pointless work, and overall not beneficial to town.
So he actually does respond, and is being quite hypocritical in his basis. His posts have not been beneficial as once again, he refuses to give any real reason. Once again, "i could really explain to you, but i don't want to, and I shouldn't have to. you can either believe me or do your own research" It's a simple way to make someone who doesn't want to do a lot of work, believe you, by believing so hardcore in what you are saying, without actually saying anything. It's pretty much fluff in this post "i won't give any real reasoning, but you should trust me. his posts make no sense" this is just nonsense.
On July 09 2013 18:38 Xatalos wrote:
Any scumreads yet, CA?
Any scumreads yet, CA?
I still have a scummy read on Johnny, and I'll explain below. if I'm wrong, or not on the right path, please correct me. I'm going to write this out, and then grab dinner with a friend. I won't be able to reply for a few more hours.
On July 08 2013 00:26 johnnywup wrote:
I know I'm not very good at mafia. But what you need to understand is that NOTHING that I've done says scum over bad townie. I am a bad townie. I can see why I'm probably a good lynch for day 1. I can see why I'm being bandwagonned. It's because it's so easy for scum to tunnel bad townies.
If you can find something that I've done that screams scum over bad townie, go for my lynch (hint: there is none). I may be the best lynch even lacking that. But when I flip town (assuming I'm lynched), know that it was as much your fault as scum, townies, for following this bandwagon. Oh yeah, and WoS is the one who is trying to push it in a major way, more than anyone else.
I know I'm not very good at mafia. But what you need to understand is that NOTHING that I've done says scum over bad townie. I am a bad townie. I can see why I'm probably a good lynch for day 1. I can see why I'm being bandwagonned. It's because it's so easy for scum to tunnel bad townies.
If you can find something that I've done that screams scum over bad townie, go for my lynch (hint: there is none). I may be the best lynch even lacking that. But when I flip town (assuming I'm lynched), know that it was as much your fault as scum, townies, for following this bandwagon. Oh yeah, and WoS is the one who is trying to push it in a major way, more than anyone else.
So Johnny went through a lot of scrutiny at first, and posts this. He pretty much says "please don't lynch me, i'm town, i'm just bad."
I don't know much about how forum-based mafia works, but in live mafia this is very commonly scum. It's usually a last hope without role calling. "I know I'm bad, and I'm no use to anyone, but please let me live" It's simply not beneficial in any circumstance to state that you are bad at the game when you are trying to avoid a lynch.
On July 08 2013 14:09 johnnywup wrote:
Guys. I don't have much time left. I need to nuke someone to live. I'm getting a scummy read out of TanGeng. He's one I feel is most likely scum... So there you go.
##nuke TanGeng
I will not be able to change this.
Additionally, I am going to vote for Dandel Ion for now. Of the inactives, he seems most likely scum. I can change this in the morning if I feel like it, and I don't think a chez lynch is the best idea right now, and he seems to be gaining the most traction. I don't support that. So I'm voting for a new candidate which I think most people can agree on lynching on if it comes to it.
Guys. I don't have much time left. I need to nuke someone to live. I'm getting a scummy read out of TanGeng. He's one I feel is most likely scum... So there you go.
##nuke TanGeng
I will not be able to change this.
Additionally, I am going to vote for Dandel Ion for now. Of the inactives, he seems most likely scum. I can change this in the morning if I feel like it, and I don't think a chez lynch is the best idea right now, and he seems to be gaining the most traction. I don't support that. So I'm voting for a new candidate which I think most people can agree on lynching on if it comes to it.
I find that many people are just saying "i think he's scummy." in this game. To be honest, it really annoys me as they are not giving any basis behind it. It's the whole conspiracy theorist bullshit that you see on forums all the time. "If you don't believe it, just do the research yourself". It's annoying, makes other people do pointless work, and overall not beneficial to town.
On July 08 2013 14:17 johnnywup wrote:
I'm not going to go over every reason, but he follows the bandwagon a TON and his analysis isn't really insightful or unique at all. He criticizes over weak points and flip flops. Just look at his posts...I can't see a townie typing what he's typing/voting at ALL. None of it makes sense as a townie for me. I can only see scum typing what is written, if that makes sense? There's specifics for each individual post but that sort of is a general overview. If you want I could go over every single post but since you also think he's scum I don't think it's necessary
On July 08 2013 14:11 geript wrote:
Just out of curiosity, Whoops what are you reasons for TanGeng over the other lurkers? I really like your pick, I'm just curious in the specific.
Just out of curiosity, Whoops what are you reasons for TanGeng over the other lurkers? I really like your pick, I'm just curious in the specific.
I'm not going to go over every reason, but he follows the bandwagon a TON and his analysis isn't really insightful or unique at all. He criticizes over weak points and flip flops. Just look at his posts...I can't see a townie typing what he's typing/voting at ALL. None of it makes sense as a townie for me. I can only see scum typing what is written, if that makes sense? There's specifics for each individual post but that sort of is a general overview. If you want I could go over every single post but since you also think he's scum I don't think it's necessary
So he actually does respond, and is being quite hypocritical in his basis. His posts have not been beneficial as once again, he refuses to give any real reason. Once again, "i could really explain to you, but i don't want to, and I shouldn't have to. you can either believe me or do your own research" It's a simple way to make someone who doesn't want to do a lot of work, believe you, by believing so hardcore in what you are saying, without actually saying anything. It's pretty much fluff in this post "i won't give any real reasoning, but you should trust me. his posts make no sense" this is just nonsense.
Good to see you posting, but I think what you explained is more indicative of bad (town) play rather than necessarily scummy play. IMO all that can be explained by bad play rather than being scum; there's nothing that points to being scum being the more obvious explanation. I agree though that he needs to explain more and complain less.
In either case, either he is a bad town, or scum, why did everyone move away from lynching him? I'm under the impression from previous live games that bad town is bad for town...
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