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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 18 2013 03:54 Ace wrote: Onegu probable. Don't think Austin is scum based on the wagons the previous day. What about Onegu's post way back about how he 'killed' FirmTofu because he visited him at night? | ||
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Ace
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austinmcc
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Onegu
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 18 2013 04:06 Ace wrote: I asked him about it. I think he said he had a scumread on Tofu, even though many others didn't. Who else did he visit? Yeah and then you completely dropped it. ALso once again I feel I have to mention we have seen absolutely NOTHING relevant occur with regards to the fuctionality of Immune ones/radiation nukes/infected. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 18 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think there's any chance of a gambit here. IMO this is scum nuking a townie or 3P nuking someone he thinks is scum.5) ???--> Onegu - I think this one could be stopped. I have no doubts this one is real. It *COULD* be a gambit to get Oats to waste his protection but seems really unlikely---the needs for scum to 'make plays' like this at this point in the game is close to nil. If this were 3P shooting at scum, I would THINK that they would have some target higher on a list of scumreads than onegu, and aren't just taking a chance. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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austinmcc
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Chezinu
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Chezinu
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 18 2013 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote: If I had a defense, I'd work defenses out with the other player to be on geript + 1 other, onegu or I.What do you suggest Austin? We're past the nuke deadline, so there's no risk in defending someone and having them get nuked again, therefore it's just about defending the people we think are most likely to be town/most likely to have been shot by scum. Out of that bunch, maju has been under suspicion/getting called scum for days now and has chosen to do nothing to change that read. Besides all the stuff that led to the scumread on him, his play makes it look like he just gave up after getting under suspicion. Because it's HIS nuke on geript (and because geript has one of the defenses and I assume is self-invested), I think geript is a fine defense. The nuker is as important as the nukee in that case. Of the other folks getting nuked, CA, even if he's town, isn't worth saving at this point. Chez, even if he's town, isn't worth saving. I'm used to chez both trolling AND posting reads, which are crazy spot-on. This game, it's been a lot of absence, not a lot of trolling, but also very little substantive working through the lists I normally see him post. I think he's a very valuable asset if town, worth saving over Onegu or I, but I'm not confidant enough in his towniness to want to see him saved. If he flips scum, it also doesn't look good for Ace, given Chezinu's reluctance to nuke him or even really actually CONSIDER nuking him. So that leaves me with myself and Onegu. I know I'm town, so I'd like me saved. I THINK Onegu is town, and the fact that he's been targeted with the silent nuke reinforces that read. Again, silent nuke, so either this is scum or 3P shooting. If scum, they're not shooting scum. If 3P, why shoot onegu? So it's more likely, imo, that it's a scum nuke on a townie. Let alone the fact that Onegu has been reasonably townie all game, and the fact that I still think snb is mafia, getting rid of one of the marks against Onegu which is "maybe all immune ones not just town." | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Oats fucked up his save on Chezinu so I'm not sure what to do about that, and it honestly worries me because I don't believe both him and Geript are both town with the same role. TBH the nuke I'm most likely to affect is the one against Onegu. The question is, what to do with it. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
We can't have country leader claims, as we saw technicians flip from assorted countries and be different alignments. Stutters's role PM needs to be scrutinized some more, especially in light of any flips tonight. That whole any kind of nuke, and the fact that Z-BosoN flipped with specific types of nukes in his role PM, looks bad. For reference - You are a Bunker Owner! You've seen a cold wars in your time and you realized it's better to be safe than sorry. You're immune to all but American and Radiation nukes. I don't like that HIS role PM spells out certain kinds of nukes, whereas stutters doesn't. It always looked weird in stutters's PM, but Z-BosoN's shows that, at least in some cases, specific types are mentioned.I know geript has done some questionable stuff, but he wouldn't be at the top of my scumread list or my kill list. A lot of that, however, is based on the MG nuke today. Even if they're both scum and geript just burning a defense, ... WHY. SO MANY NUKES JUST NUKE TOWNIES AND TRY TO WIN. It doesn't make sense for scum to be sneaky sneaky sneaky when they're out so far ahead. Also, haven't had time, unsure if will have time, but dead dude filters/suspicions need another look. Maybe rayn, definitely xatalos, possibly the kills last night. Rayn makes more sense as a NK to me than last night's kills, because rayn actually looked very townie to me after his "plan." I disagreed with the reads he drew from it, but the PLAN and his actions were townie. So...maybe he was killed for that, but maybe for reads. As far as last night, i THOUGHT it might indicate that scum was trying to kill the 3P, aiming at Z-BosoN who had been tossed around as a candidate. The VA kill I don't know jack about and was very very unexpected to me both in flip and targetting. Possibly just to push me as a lynch, but that seems kind of egotistical and I think they can push for my mislynch any day without having to kill VA (plus keeping VA alive would help do that, so...not a me-based NK, unsure why though). | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 18 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh. Gotcha.I'm leaving it up to Geript to save himself. I'm not saving him because I don't trust him. Oats fucked up his save on Chezinu so I'm not sure what to do about that, and it honestly worries me because I don't believe both him and Geript are both town with the same role. TBH the nuke I'm most likely to affect is the one against Onegu. The question is, what to do with it. I wish Oats either hadn't saved some townies or looked way townier. I was really on his case D2, he was SO FRIGGIN SCUMMY by not reading thread, not even understanding where his reads had been. Saving...ace? Wait...ugh. Oats saved ace D2 right? Geript on jampidampi, oats on ace. I don't even know that we can trust him to actually defend a nuke. Blerg. If you can act, I wouldn't redirect at MG. I wouldn't redirect at stutters IN CASE he's 3P and mafia needs to kill him (this OP more vague than the last game). I'd redirect either myself or Onegu towards snb or ace. If ace flips scum, Oats looks quite bad off the top of my head, but would need to reread the last few days. I don't think I've seem him really affect the game or try to though, but I may just be misremembering because I'll admit to getting caught up in snb/VA/trying to defend self. | ||
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austinmcc
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Since Oats hasn't used his defense he can come back with last minute shennanies now and fuck with me. At least I know Geript can't do that. Oats---if you do this it is as good as a scumclaim in my eyes, just so you know. I just really hope that whatever I do I don't fuck up AGAIN---I've got a dead medic (though a saved MZ?) on my hands and a last-minute redirect onto a scummy-but-town Gumshoe. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 18 2013 04:45 WaveofShadow wrote: This is a solid point but...I don't even know if it matters whether people are claiming scum today or not, with this many nukes.Here's the problem. Since Oats hasn't used his defense he can come back with last minute shennanies now and fuck with me. At least I know Geript can't do that. Oats---if you do this it is as good as a scumclaim in my eyes, just so you know. I just really hope that whatever I do I don't fuck up AGAIN---I've got a dead medic (though a saved MZ?) on my hands and a last-minute redirect onto a scummy-but-town Gumshoe. Whatever. I saved DI who I thought was kinda of scummy to lynch ON, then wanted to lynch jampi over MG. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 18 2013 04:49 austinmcc wrote: This is a solid point but...I don't even know if it matters whether people are claiming scum today or not, with this many nukes. Whatever. I saved DI who I thought was kinda of scummy to lynch ON, then wanted to lynch jampi over MG. Well some nukes belong to town and some belong to scum, that's for certain. Fairly sure I know what I'm going to do I'm just not sure how close to deadline I'll be able to do it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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johnnywup
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at least thats what it seemed like to me when I read the day post :| | ||
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