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FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 28 2013 06:30 GMT
#1101
On June 28 2013 15:28 Alakaslam wrote:
Hz, which town do you want to info lynch, assuming the impossible that we both are? If you do not answer people will know you are scum.

Hzflank has not said anything that implicates him as scum. Please do not antagonize him further because it will only hurt your case on Onegu.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 06:30 GMT
#1102
On June 28 2013 15:27 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 15:22 hzflank wrote:
On June 28 2013 15:17 FirmTofu wrote:
On June 28 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:
On June 28 2013 15:13 FirmTofu wrote:
On June 28 2013 15:09 hzflank wrote:
Firm, slow down and lets think it through. My first point:

If Onegu is town then his strongest town read can vouch for him. However, that means we reveal a blue role.

The problem with this logic is that you are assuming his strongest town read is town. What if his strongest town read is mafia?

In fact, wouldn't it be more likely that his strongest town read was mafia if he himself was mafia? His thought process would be, "I'll claim watcher and my mafia scumbuddy can vouch for me so I don't get lynched today."

It all comes down to who you believe. I trust Alakaslam a lot more than I do Onegu. You are welcome to decide for yourself, but I don't think I can be convinced to change my vote at this point.


If his strongest read is scum and we mislynch Alakaslam, then we have 2 100% confirmed scum reads.

Are you suggesting we risk a mislynch to confirm 2 mafia? I'm not entirely sure if you're being serious.


Not risk. If someone claims to have visited Alakaslam last night then either the claimer + Onegu are scum or Alaka is scum.

It would be stupid for a scum to make this claim. That would mean we mislych today but then get back to back scum lynches, leaving the town in a very very strong position.

It is worth sacrificing 1 town to get 2 scum, if it comes to it.

Yeah, but we don't have to sacrifice the townie at all.

Lynching Onegu gives us more information than lynching Alakaslam.
If Onegu flips town, we lynch Alakaslam.
If Onegu flips scum, we lynch his "best town read"
If Alakaslam flips town, we lynch Onegu.
If Alakaslam flips scum, we are back to square 1.


No. If someone claims for Onegu and we lynch Alaka who flips green then we lynch Onegu and his best town read.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 28 2013 06:31 GMT
#1103
On June 28 2013 15:27 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 15:22 hzflank wrote:
On June 28 2013 15:17 FirmTofu wrote:
On June 28 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:
On June 28 2013 15:13 FirmTofu wrote:
On June 28 2013 15:09 hzflank wrote:
Firm, slow down and lets think it through. My first point:

If Onegu is town then his strongest town read can vouch for him. However, that means we reveal a blue role.

The problem with this logic is that you are assuming his strongest town read is town. What if his strongest town read is mafia?

In fact, wouldn't it be more likely that his strongest town read was mafia if he himself was mafia? His thought process would be, "I'll claim watcher and my mafia scumbuddy can vouch for me so I don't get lynched today."

It all comes down to who you believe. I trust Alakaslam a lot more than I do Onegu. You are welcome to decide for yourself, but I don't think I can be convinced to change my vote at this point.


If his strongest read is scum and we mislynch Alakaslam, then we have 2 100% confirmed scum reads.

Are you suggesting we risk a mislynch to confirm 2 mafia? I'm not entirely sure if you're being serious.


Not risk. If someone claims to have visited Alakaslam last night then either the claimer + Onegu are scum or Alaka is scum.

It would be stupid for a scum to make this claim. That would mean we mislych today but then get back to back scum lynches, leaving the town in a very very strong position.

It is worth sacrificing 1 town to get 2 scum, if it comes to it.

Yeah, but we don't have to sacrifice the townie at all.

Lynching Onegu gives us more information than lynching Alakaslam.
If Onegu flips town, we lynch Alakaslam.
If Onegu flips scum, we lynch his "best town read"
If Alakaslam flips town, we lynch Onegu.
If Alakaslam flips scum, we are back to square 1.

Did he actually say who that was?
No, because 1. It would give away his lie or 2. He would be revealing a blue role.

So snip what I bolded, because it's not true. Don't care if it helps my case, I want my case to win obviously but we need truth and clarity.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 06:31 GMT
#1104
On June 28 2013 15:28 Alakaslam wrote:
Hz, which town do you want to info lynch, assuming the impossible that we both are? If you do not answer people will know you are scum.


I have not yet decided. There is a lot of new information to digest.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 28 2013 06:33 GMT
#1105
On June 28 2013 15:30 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 15:28 Alakaslam wrote:
Hz, which town do you want to info lynch, assuming the impossible that we both are? If you do not answer people will know you are scum.

Hzflank has not said anything that implicates him as scum. Please do not antagonize him further because it will only hurt your case on Onegu.

Yes he has, but I will stop because you are also right.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 06:34 GMT
#1106
Let me put this simply:

If (IF IF IF, dont ignore this IF) Onegu is set to be lyched, then someone may or may not claim that they visited Alakaslam last night.

If someone does not make that claim then we lynch Onegu.

If someone does make that claim then we lynch Alakaslam.

If the claimer was telling the truth then Alakaslam flips red.

If the claimer was lying then it is 100% confirmed that both the claimer and Onegu are scum, so we lynch then on days 3 and 4. That would probably leave us at 3 town and 1 scum remaining.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 28 2013 06:34 GMT
#1107
On June 28 2013 15:31 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 15:28 Alakaslam wrote:
Hz, which town do you want to info lynch, assuming the impossible that we both are? If you do not answer people will know you are scum.


I have not yet decided. There is a lot of new information to digest.

Ok. You could very well be town I think. So what I just put is irrelevant. You could still be scum but until that one thing my gut sai town for you.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 06:35 GMT
#1108
That would lead to a day 5 lylo at 2 town 1 scum.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
June 28 2013 06:36 GMT
#1109


God this game is getting so interesting!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 28 2013 06:37 GMT
#1110
On June 28 2013 15:34 hzflank wrote:
Let me put this simply:

If (IF IF IF, dont ignore this IF) Onegu is set to be lyched, then someone may or may not claim that they visited Alakaslam last night.

If someone does not make that claim then we lynch Onegu.

If someone does make that claim then we lynch Alakaslam.

If the claimer was telling the truth then Alakaslam flips red.

If the claimer was lying then it is 100% confirmed that both the claimer and Onegu are scum, so we lynch then on days 3 and 4. That would probably leave us at 3 town and 1 scum remaining.

You are town. This is awesome, you have done what I was trying to think of how to do. Epic, I don't mind if I get lynched now but PLEASE folks don't be OMGiS like me.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 28 2013 06:38 GMT
#1111
I would like to elaborate on this.

Lynching Onegu gives us more information than lynching Alakaslam.
If Onegu flips town, we lynch Alakaslam.
If Onegu flips scum, we lynch his "best town read"
If Alakaslam flips town, we lynch Onegu.
If Alakaslam flips scum, we are back to square 1.

Assuming each event has equal probability, we can rank these outcomes from most preferable to least preferable.

(1) Onegu Flips Scum -> We get a strong lead to work with for a lynch on Day 3.
By the end of Day 3 we will have 2 scum dead.
(2) Alakaslam Flips Scum -> We are back to square one.
By the end of Day 2 we will have 1 scum dead
(3) Alakaslam Flips Town -> We get confirmed scum Onegu lynched on Day 3.
By the end of Day 4 we will have 2 scum dead, but will have lost one town member.
(4) Onegu Flips Town -> We get confirmed scum Alakaslam lynched on Day 3.
By the end of Day 3, we will have 1 scum dead but will have lost one town member.

Our choices are to either choose the set (1,4) or to choose the set (2,3)
As mentioned before, the set (1,4) gives us more information in the long run, so would be a more optimal decision.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 28 2013 06:38 GMT
#1112
On June 28 2013 15:35 hzflank wrote:
That would lead to a day 5 lylo at 2 town 1 scum.

What is that please?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 06:39 GMT
#1113
Also, that assumed that all the night kills go through. We have no indication of whether or not there is a jailkeeper or a veteran. If we have one of those roles then we might be in a better position on day 5.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 06:39 GMT
#1114
On June 28 2013 15:38 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 15:35 hzflank wrote:
That would lead to a day 5 lylo at 2 town 1 scum.

What is that please?


Lylo = Lynch correct or lose the game.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 28 2013 06:40 GMT
#1115
On June 28 2013 15:36 jrkirby wrote:


God this game is getting so interesting!

I envy you and all the observers ><
ESPECIALLY CHROMATICALLY!!!!
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 06:40 GMT
#1116
Firm, if we lynch Onegu and he flips scum then we will have no idea of who his best town read is.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 06:41 GMT
#1117
oh nm, you think we should still lynch him after his read claims...give me 5 to work through it again.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
June 28 2013 06:42 GMT
#1118
Okay you may be right. I am not finished though, I am feeling a bit slow atm.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
June 28 2013 06:43 GMT
#1119
@hzflank

Your argument seems to be that a blue claim may come out to save Onegu from a lynch today.

I respectfully disagree. Based on current information, a scumbuddy of Onegu's would never come out and guarantee his own demise the following 2 days(along with Onegu's). It is completely irrational.

Scum should cut their losses at Onegu and force us to scumhunt to find the last few of them.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 28 2013 06:44 GMT
#1120
On June 28 2013 15:39 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 15:38 Alakaslam wrote:
On June 28 2013 15:35 hzflank wrote:
That would lead to a day 5 lylo at 2 town 1 scum.

What is that please?


Lylo = Lynch correct or lose the game.

That is not what I asked you what would lea to Lylo? I need to know how badly I need to defend my case
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
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