Catch 22 Mafia

On June 21 2013 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:

you wanna lynch me like every game
How were your exams?

On June 21 2013 13:02 Oatsmaster wrote:

lets lynch cora for not being able to take a joke about himself.

On June 21 2013 13:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
But in all seriousness I'm deciding whether or not to policy lynch Marv based on my past experiences with him.

Marv if you start getting spammy again my vote will stay on you.

On June 21 2013 13:13 cDgCorazon wrote:


Or maybe it's fantasy?
We're all caught in a landslide.
There's no escape from reality.
Open your eyes,
Look up to the skies and see.

That breaking the ice is all that really matters to me.

On June 21 2013 13:16 cDgCorazon wrote:


Seeing as I've been doing this silly shit about Marv, I'm not taking Oats very seriously.

On June 21 2013 13:20 cDgCorazon wrote:


No, that never really works. My votes are probably going to be hipster votes.

On June 21 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:

Going basically off one's own reads rather then the town consensus. If there's two candidates for lynch and someone puts their vote on a third candidate and is usually the only one voting for that candidate. That's what I call a hipster vote.

On June 21 2013 13:45 yamato77 wrote:

HAPA

NO HAPA

WHY ARE YOU SCUM?!

On June 21 2013 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
cora is town because what dp?

On June 21 2013 13:57 yamato77 wrote:

Hapa and I know each other well. Don't concern yourself with what goes on between us.

On June 21 2013 14:00 yamato77 wrote:

lolumad

y u so mad?

On June 21 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
#unvote
Dont hipster vote cora.

DP and hapa are scum.

On June 21 2013 14:05 Oatsmaster wrote:

chaos or discussion?
I changed my mind. you are town.
Whoop.
So DP, why did you defend someone under 0 pressure?

On June 21 2013 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hapa.
I only tunnel day 1.
And only in selected games.

So its not like I do it all the time or the whole game.

DP meta please

On June 21 2013 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
actually never mind, its not alignment indicative cause you probably do it as both alignments if you do it as town.
Do you do it as town?

On June 21 2013 14:16 ObviousOne wrote:

Please don't be a kushmasta

On June 21 2013 14:21 yamato77 wrote:

Is this game inclusive in that vague statement, perchance?

On June 21 2013 14:29 yamato77 wrote:

He just hasn't done anything that would make me swing either way about him. This continued angry-man act is a bit disconcerting.

On June 21 2013 14:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why am I scum DP?

On June 21 2013 14:32 yamato77 wrote:

It's precisely that neither of you have done anything particularly townish at all that worries me. It's obviously early, but I have quite a few soft town reads already.

On June 21 2013 14:37 yamato77 wrote:

Did I say he was scummy?

On June 21 2013 14:41 yamato77 wrote:

I have weak town reads on most of the other players in the game, for varying reasons. At the very least, I can ignore them until later in the game when their alignment should be clearer.

Why DP isn't one of those town reads is cause for concern, yes. He's been perfectly readable in the past.

On June 21 2013 14:43 ShiaoPi wrote:
EBWOP:
Also this:


So what happens if sloosh just vanishes?

On June 21 2013 14:44 goodkarma wrote:
Hi guys.

On June 21 2013 14:51 yamato77 wrote:

Well, I've never played with you, so how am I supposed to know where to put you?

In with Sylencia you go, then.

On June 21 2013 14:58 Hapahauli wrote:


How is dropping a joke tunnel on a TL vet "fast and convenient"?

We've had our fun with marv, and now it's time to move onto more productive things, such as thoughts on players that have actually... you know... posted?

Regarding Oats

I'm really, really sad that no one has asked me about my unvote of Oats.

On June 21 2013 15:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
well Hapa says im a policy lynch then like a few minutes later says hes not gonna vote for an obv townie when its clear that Im not gonna get lynched today.
I dont get his attitude this game, its like really angry and stuff and not happy hapa.

DP currently has no scum reads after unvoting yamato. I dont see why he dropped that push. Nothing makes me think that yamato is bad rather than scum.

On June 21 2013 15:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oats why such a quick 180 on me? It really looks like you just gave up once it was obvious no one agreed with you.

On June 21 2013 14:13 ObviousOne wrote:

I'm getting town vibes from Oats. He's not begging to be sheeped yet, which from my recent game on OMGUS was the trigger that made me think about his play and ended up with me getting a scum read on him day 1. He did that in Carnival, too, (later in the game) where he was town, but he ended up flipping cop. What I think this means about him is that when he has more information (be it cop or scum), he is much more confident in his pushes even if they are nonsensical. I'm not getting that confidence vibe from Oats here.

What you said is mostly correct, however. He is a good policy lynch if it comes down to one. He mucks up the thread with his random interjections. His tunnels can be beyond paranoid. I don't see a reason to think he's mafia.

As far as the other stuff in the thread is concerned, the only thing nobody has touched on yet is that Coag popped in just to vote for Marv and then went radio silent. Very back-seat driver. I can't remember any games I've played with him so I want to take a quick look at his older games for the sake of establishing a baseline of expectations.

Coag, what do you think about Oats and my thoughts regarding him? Are you going to hit-and-run style post all game?

On June 21 2013 15:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
So much exaggeration GK. So much.
Also yamato is totes scum and why isnt everyone voting for him?

On June 21 2013 15:28 DarthPunk wrote:


You could be right. I don't like how he disappeared when the pressure was off.

On June 21 2013 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
yamato stays up pretty late normally though.

But yeah.

What do you think of GK and hapa DP?

On June 21 2013 15:39 cDgCorazon wrote:









First of all there is the 180 on me because it was obvious no one agreed with you.

Then it was the only semi-explained reasoning for DP, Hapa, and Yamato scum.

It doesn't equate to much contribution. I see a whole lot of nothing in your filter, and that's not good seeing as it's three pages already.

On June 21 2013 16:36 Ange777 wrote:
@DarthPunk:

What is your current stance on Oats? Still scummy which in Oats terms means nullish? Because I don't understand why Obvious is called scum for giving Oats a town read while Hapa gets away with the same thing.

On June 21 2013 17:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im not scummy in every game
Like games when I play scum. Only you can see it man.

On June 21 2013 16:36 Ange777 wrote:
@DarthPunk:

What is your current stance on Oats? Still scummy which in Oats terms means nullish? Because I don't understand why Obvious is called scum for giving Oats a town read while Hapa gets away with the same thing.

On June 21 2013 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It makes no sense. In Red Team's Prize i was all in for lynching town!OO for making a case on me that mostly said "rayn is doing this or that, i don't know what does it make him". After that game, when he flipped town, i have mostly ignored him and let other people do the reading on him, as i suck at it. I always find him suspicious regardless of his alignment. But yeah, his comment makes no sense to me. Do you think it makes him scum or not?

What do you think about Hapa buying yamato's explanation behind his reads? Also why the hell are you buying it?


Do you remember from top of your head which game that was?

On June 21 2013 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And what was the purpose of asking me about OO in the first place?

On June 21 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
DP, for me, he has never professed to play this way. With so many 'townies' day 1 and then already using elimination to find scum?

He fucked up and is trying not get lynched.

On June 21 2013 19:25 marvellosity wrote:


It's irrelevant who it was, I was pointing out that it's a thought process I've seen townies use before.

Do you see mafia say "I think the whole town is fine, except x and y"? If so, when? Because I can't think of anything.

On June 21 2013 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Probably because the discussion topics need to give some input.

What do you think of Ange DP?

On June 21 2013 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you think she has a clear train of thought?
Could you elaborate a little more?

On June 21 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: I apparently missed your "nothing at all yet" post. Is that really everything you have to say about her atm?

On June 22 2013 06:57 Ange777 wrote:
Okay, so first of all to answer your question:

@DarthPunk:

I have not played any recent games with ObviousOne, so I don't know why he would be scummy for doing the same as Hapa. Do you have any "proof" to show that a townie ObviousOne should not do this?

@rayn:

I didn't understand whether Oats was seriously referring to his own reasoning as bad. So after he clarified it, I felt like I could understand how he got his reads. Regarding Coag, I really don't like his filter but people seem to simply ignore him (even marv does not take him seriously and he is the target of Coag's lynch campaign) so I prefer to concentrate on people I have played with and whom I might actually read accurately on day 1.

On June 22 2013 07:41 marvellosity wrote:


This would be logical yes, but I don't rely on mafia to carry through on their promises. Also, as far as I remember no-one else has pulled him up on this until I have so far - maybe he hopes it just looks nice at the time, at a time when he *is* actually making a couple of posts.

In Smurf Obvious posted nicely as mafia but as little as possible, whereas when Obvious is town he actively tries to solve the game.

I think I've talked myself into voting him, he's my best lead for now ^^

##Vote: Obvious

On June 22 2013 07:50 Ange777 wrote:
@marv: I just feel like I would be more careful about making any promises as scum because people will remember them and hold me to account for them and the least I would want is stand out badly. Right now I'd put Obvious in the same categorie as the other lurkers.

@Sloosh:

What part of Obvious' entry made you suspicious?

On June 22 2013 10:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
guys. Yamato has no scum reads, he was super easily convinced about his strongest scumread being town. Within a period of 30 minutes. Then he fucks off again. He isnt scumhunting, he is throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.

On June 23 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP comment on my case on Hapa kthxbye?

On June 23 2013 00:42 yamato77 wrote:
My reads have been consistent the whole game. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional, or simply can't read.

DP, your lack of giving a fuck about this game is exactly why I think you could be mafia. You haven't attempted to figure out anything in the game aside from at the very start, which is a poor way to play. It's easy to fake interest and involvement for a short period of time, but obviously your interest in this game has waned significantly over the course of the day, which is a trait I would associate with mafia, no matter how good he supposedly is.

Cora, you think I'm scum every game we play in. Take a step back, realize that I've been attempting to figure this game out with Hapa and Marv for a while, and go take a reread of the game where you don't assume that I'm mafia. I used to tunnel like you every game, but it gets you nowhere. What do you think about OO, Shaiopi, or Darthpunk?

On June 23 2013 00:43 marvellosity wrote:


Hapa's been lynched day 1 before and he was mafia. That's a cop out excuse DP.

On June 23 2013 00:55 yamato77 wrote:

Your reads are essentially the same as they were over 24 hours ago and you basically refuse to talk about anything else. No, you aren't involved in figuring out the game.

On June 23 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
DO YOU REMEMBER QUICK LYNCH SCUM GF HAPA DP?

On June 23 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote:


Yes, but you're wrong. No-one is unlynchable day 1. The reason it's a particularly bad idea to lynch me in particular day 1 is because my style swings around a lot so it's hard to get an accurate read. Hapa is actually a paragon of consistency.

Why don't you just comment on the case?

On June 23 2013 01:08 yamato77 wrote:

Lazy DP is scum DP.

On June 23 2013 01:12 marvellosity wrote:


You're becoming an increasingly good lynch.

On June 23 2013 01:16 yamato77 wrote:

Lol, you've said that line about everything you've done this game.

How are we supposed to arrive at any solid conclusion about your alignment based on meta when you apparently do everything as both alignments? Otherwise, we could just lynch you for being useless and scummy and be done with it.

On June 23 2013 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote:
##Vote: DarthPunk

Now you are going to go and comment the case.

On June 23 2013 01:20 marvellosity wrote:
I'm in rayn

##Unvote
##Vote: DarthPunk

Also Oats/yamato, whatever you two are doing it's not helpful. Here, Oats, I went into yamato's filter myself for you just so you can stop asking him the same thing over and over.

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 23 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Do you think the case is bad or not?
If you think so why don't you de-bunk it? If you don't think so, why are you not taking account a possibility that Hapa is scum? Who is to say both OO and Hapa are not scum?

wtf is this? This is the reason i am probably be willing to kill you always. Like what you did when you claimed miller in last game we played and defended you claim besides doing stuff that actually matters (scumhunting). I don't know if you are just too arrogant or what is it, but seriously wtf? If you are town stop with that mentality and help us finding mafia.

On June 23 2013 01:33 marvellosity wrote:


Same question for town to you

On June 23 2013 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
cause he doesnt want to derail lynch train on OO which you guys successfully did. Well done.
Notice OO is gone.

On June 23 2013 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Fair enough. Now why did you not say that in the first place?
And do you or do you not think Hapa is town?

On June 23 2013 01:21 yamato77 wrote:

Well then you're scum for fucking off since the first 12 hours of the game. Die in a fire.

##Vote Darthpunk

On June 22 2013 07:08 slOosh wrote:
(I have like a 1 hr window to post, then you have to wait till Saturday morning for further responses)

On June 23 2013 01:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
so how in the world do you think yamato is town when he is blatantly wrong about the interested thing? And yamato isnt bad at the game.

I dont get how in the world you think yamato is town man. I dont. He has twice now made a case or something on someone and within a page, unvoted them off like 1 post. He stopped talking about DP now that we arent gonna lynch him. He is utterly useless. This guy is SCUM

On June 23 2013 01:50 DarthPunk wrote:


OK. In what way does it help town for you to make the vast majority of your contributions regard a town read that you are willing to lynch anyway.

On June 23 2013 01:50 marvellosity wrote:


DP was interested in the first half of the game, and in fairness to the guy his activity on Saturday is literally always fairly non-existent. He simply does things on Saturdays and you can verify that in any game he ever plays.

At the very least I think he's a particularly bad lynch for today.

On June 23 2013 01:55 ObviousOne wrote:

I just got told to stop posting while catching up, you want me to be posting while I catch up, which is it?

On June 23 2013 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote:
##Vote: DarthPunk

Now you are going to go and comment the case.

On June 23 2013 01:20 marvellosity wrote:
I'm in rayn

##Unvote
##Vote: DarthPunk

Also Oats/yamato, whatever you two are doing it's not helpful. Here, Oats, I went into yamato's filter myself for you just so you can stop asking him the same thing over and over.

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 23 2013 01:21 yamato77 wrote:

Well then you're scum for fucking off since the first 12 hours of the game. Die in a fire.

##Vote Darthpunk

On June 23 2013 02:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait
i wanna go to bed. if there are 3 other people on yamato. Ill be a happy man.

On June 23 2013 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
##vote: yamato
k fuck it, i really want this guy dead. MAKE IT HAPPEN.

On July 05 2013 08:18 ObviousOne wrote:

i think we all learned an important lesson here
just don't bus me day one and you will live to see day 2