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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 01 2013 20:56 GMT
#2143
Adam is the scum for trying to lynch OO but failing to provide any insight in how to reconcile D1.
Probably not lylo.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 01 2013 23:06 GMT
#2146
I don't know anymore. This game makes no sense. I'm just gonna start talking to myself, so at least obs people get something out of it.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 01 2013 23:09 GMT
#2148
Explain more Oats
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 01 2013 23:10 GMT
#2151
Explain this traitor role, I've never played with it and I'm not sure how you think it works.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 01 2013 23:13 GMT
#2153
So he guessed the guy he would shoot? Is that what you are saying?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 01 2013 23:27 GMT
#2155
Nvm. I'm going to answer my own question to Adam.

His dilemma was:
+ Oats seems strongly town due to behavior / meta
+ OO, me and Coag were all on a D1 scum lynch

His proposed explanations were:
+ some sort of traitor role
+ some sort of dual mafia families

I was adverse to these because:
+ they seemed to me just speculations, not fleshed out, something a scum would do
+ a traitor means scum start with 2 players. Seems heavily unbalanced for scum, especially given the 3rd parties who would weigh votes in town's favor
+ dual mafia families makes little sense with the consistent 1KP per night.

A possible explanation of my inquiry, as how can OO be scum and do what he did D1:
[redacted]

The alternative, still much more sensible explanation:
+ Oats is scum and many were flat out wrong about his alignment (and cora is rolling in his grave).
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 01 2013 23:28 GMT
#2156
But if you can discern what [redacted] could be ...
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 01 2013 23:30 GMT
#2157
ObviousOne, who would you lynch tomorrow and why?
Same for Oats.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 02 2013 20:33 GMT
#2184
I hammered DarthPunk D1. Explain why I'm scum again?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 02 2013 20:37 GMT
#2185
On July 02 2013 15:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont know man.
CID is the only viable reason that Coag could not be town.

Ok so why is sloosh town? His vote on DP.
I read his filter surrounding that. Its a bit odd. He doesnt really give reasons in his voting post. He never gives reasons for voting for DP, only what makes him vote DP and not GK.
Also his post after the lynch.
Show nested quote +
Obviously the pool of players we should look into tomorrow is the non DarthPunk voters, since it was an extremely close lynch (which includes goodkarma).
I dont like this post. There isnt also a follow up to this, he doesnt start pushing anyone, he just has vague bad feelings about Hapa.
His reaction to the flip,
Show nested quote +
Everyone take a chill pill. We just lynched scum.
rubs me the wrong way. Its way too cool for such a close lynch I feel.

I gave insufficient reasons for hammering scum over town? The crap is this?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 02 2013 20:46 GMT
#2186
On June 23 2013 08:07 HiroPro wrote:
Night 1

DarthPunk as Captain Black was lynched!

Vote Count

yamato77 (2): Secret Vote, Oatsmaster,
ShiaoPi (1): goodkarma,
goodkarma (5): ShiaoPi, marvellosity, Hapahauli, cDgCorazon, Adam4167
ObviousOne (2): DarthPunk, raynpelikoneet
DarthPunk (5): yamato77, ObviousOne, Coagulation, Ange777, slOosh

Like, how do you look at this and decide to lynch not Oats???
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 02 2013 21:09 GMT
#2187
Oats is a good scum player. Good enough to fool marv (Ego mafia)

On April 12 2013 00:34 DarthPunk wrote:
You can't deny that Oats rose to the occasion though and played a really solid scum game. I mean. You were dancing to his tune.

On April 11 2013 21:49 marvellosity wrote:
The funny thing about this game is that Oats *did* play much better than he played as mafia before, so he got caught properly day 3 instead of day 1.



No one has been able to tell me, how it is possible to reconcile D1.

There's three scenarios:
+ Oats is scum and has played strong scum game
+ Oats isn't scum and
-> OO is scum chose to lead the wagon on his buddy DP, and his buddies DP and rayn both tried to push him
-> slOosh is scum and chose to hammer his buddy DP
-> Coag is scum and chose to shoot his buddy rayn
+ Host have made the game unreasonably unbalanced, and there has been a highly coincidental combination of night actions.

What's most likely?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 02 2013 23:24 GMT
#2190
Well out goes my textbook mafia play ...
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 02 2013 23:26 GMT
#2191
Is it so wrong to play according to setup?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 02 2013 23:31 GMT
#2192
Coag is vigi. Vigi + rber is unlikely. Unless factional mafia RB which is hella broken.

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 02 2013 23:33 GMT
#2193
Mafia wouldn't get another KP at night. Town has had crap roles so far.

Game start: 9-3-2
D1: Town mislynch: 8-3-2
N1: KP and vigi shot and 3rd party exit: 5-3
D2: Town mislynch + day KP: 3-3

Win off 1 mislynch.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 02 2013 23:34 GMT
#2194
Bleh 2.

2 member scum team seems highly unlikely (but what do I know about setup ... )
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 02 2013 23:36 GMT
#2195
And I only get 1 day to figure this out T.T
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 03 2013 00:07 GMT
#2196
Got it!

Ok. The [redacted] was something like this:
DP and rayn make the pretense of lynching OO, without actually intending to lynch him. Why?

On June 21 2013 21:31 marvellosity wrote:
I've read OO correctly in the past - as town in Red Team, as mafia in Hydra 1. The counterpoint to this is I most recently read him incorrectly in a game on omgus (not helped by the fact he disappeared for the last 24 hours of day 1) and also he put in a pretty nice performance as replacement scum in Smurf Mafia. In short I no longer feel that confident in "meta"ing him, beyond involvedness/give-a-shitness.

Good place to start. OO has still yet to get his scum legs (wings?) nice and stretched out. He plays the scared / lurker type scum.

So, scum game plan?

ScumQT
OO: hey, I'm pretty bad at scum. maybe we can bus me and ride out the cred
DP & rayn: yea that sounds like good idea


So they do just that. It explains why both DP and rayn were making a good show about how they were on OO. OO does the same. Now what they didn't expect, was super tag team Coag / slOosh / Ange to come in and actually start voting for DP.

ScumQT
OO: Oh shoot. This was not the plan. And I'm scared to switch 'cause it looks really fishy.
DP & rayn: *sleeping*
OO: ahh!! what to do??


What to do as people start talking about DP or GK? Not consolidate on your scumread. In fact, drop hints because you desperately want someone to switch, but not yourself because that's too scary.
On June 23 2013 07:52 ObviousOne wrote:
We can be reasonably sure that DP won't fuck off if he doesn't die today. Can we say the same about GK?


Let me repeat that. He drops his #1 scumread, because he might produce content later. He agrees, but doesn't move his own VOTE OH MY GOSH I"M REALIZING THIS AS I TYPE

##Vote: ObviousOne


slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 03 2013 00:09 GMT
#2197
Gj Adam. Gj.
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