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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 21:42 GMT
#930
Yeah... it's weird that he waited for my vote on OO before making his own, I think. ugh
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 21:43 GMT
#932
I just don't get why a mafia DP would decline repeatedly to comment on the Hapa case. It doesn't make sense to me.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 21:47 GMT
#937
On June 23 2013 06:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
I just don't get why a mafia DP would decline repeatedly to comment on the Hapa case. It doesn't make sense to me.


That kinda read as scummy to me. He's just picking a fight and getting angry over something stupid and random.


I think Oats was right though, as mafia why not just answer the question? I can understand as town thinking you were a dumb lynch and not wanting to talk about it. Why even pick a fight there?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 21:48 GMT
#938
On June 23 2013 06:46 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 06:40 marvellosity wrote:
Obvious, I did have a look into DP about the things you mentioned. Couple of things

1) the oats thing was early enough that i think it's reasonable enough that he didn't pursue it
2) he did pursue/talk about you quite a bit on page 3/4 of your filter
3) I think you have a pretty valid point about the policy lynch thing. You made it abundantly clear it would be a policy lynch and what the policy was, even if you were leaning town on Oats. I'm not exactly sure where I lean on it because I *do* think it's pretty dumb to want to policy lynch you're leaning town on, and I can understand anyone being upset about that, but on the other hand I don't think DP should have been *that* incredulous. hrmdehrm :x

Let's say for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate that I'm wrong about DP and that your view makes the most sense: the period when I was around was, what, 6-9 hours into the game? That means that it was pretty early in the game to be making hard scum stances which does make some sense. Not everyone had checked in, middle of the night for probably half of the players in the game, etc. That means that his vote on me devolves into a policy lynch. Specifically, his evidence is that I fucked off (that I was not here is undeniable and I won't even contest it). What makes his POLICY lynch better than mine?

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On June 23 2013 00:28 DarthPunk wrote:
--snip--
At the moment the glaring obvious scum is... obvious. (lol) He makes a shitty post, then fucks off and doesn't explain or do anything. In his last game I played with him he was town and when i accused him day one he went ballistic and OMGUS'd me for ever. this game he ignores me calling him out and then disappears after bitching about lukers.
--snip--
All in all we should lynch Obvious though.

Sheep me plz

Perhaps DP didn't take into consideration that I didn't want a repeat of Carnival N0 where I tunneled the hell out of him for something that I was stupid about (the miller claim) knowing full well that if I get into it with him it's probably going to shit up the thread.


No, that's not a policy lynch. At least not in my eyes.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 21:50 GMT
#942
On June 23 2013 06:48 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 06:48 marvellosity wrote:
On June 23 2013 06:46 ObviousOne wrote:
On June 23 2013 06:40 marvellosity wrote:
Obvious, I did have a look into DP about the things you mentioned. Couple of things

1) the oats thing was early enough that i think it's reasonable enough that he didn't pursue it
2) he did pursue/talk about you quite a bit on page 3/4 of your filter
3) I think you have a pretty valid point about the policy lynch thing. You made it abundantly clear it would be a policy lynch and what the policy was, even if you were leaning town on Oats. I'm not exactly sure where I lean on it because I *do* think it's pretty dumb to want to policy lynch you're leaning town on, and I can understand anyone being upset about that, but on the other hand I don't think DP should have been *that* incredulous. hrmdehrm :x

Let's say for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate that I'm wrong about DP and that your view makes the most sense: the period when I was around was, what, 6-9 hours into the game? That means that it was pretty early in the game to be making hard scum stances which does make some sense. Not everyone had checked in, middle of the night for probably half of the players in the game, etc. That means that his vote on me devolves into a policy lynch. Specifically, his evidence is that I fucked off (that I was not here is undeniable and I won't even contest it). What makes his POLICY lynch better than mine?

On June 23 2013 00:28 DarthPunk wrote:
--snip--
At the moment the glaring obvious scum is... obvious. (lol) He makes a shitty post, then fucks off and doesn't explain or do anything. In his last game I played with him he was town and when i accused him day one he went ballistic and OMGUS'd me for ever. this game he ignores me calling him out and then disappears after bitching about lukers.
--snip--
All in all we should lynch Obvious though.

Sheep me plz

Perhaps DP didn't take into consideration that I didn't want a repeat of Carnival N0 where I tunneled the hell out of him for something that I was stupid about (the miller claim) knowing full well that if I get into it with him it's probably going to shit up the thread.


No, that's not a policy lynch. At least not in my eyes.

Lurker lynch is not a policy lynch? Just asking because that's how I see his final push on me with this stuff. Maybe you see it differently?


Ugh... it's a bit complicated. Mafia like to lurk, and a true lurker policy lynch is just drawing one of them out of a hat and lynching that one, rather than expand on why this lurker in particular. And he did expand on why you in particular.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 21:51 GMT
#943
On June 23 2013 06:50 slOosh wrote:
Right now I'm spending time looking into the context of DP's stance on ObviousOne.

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On June 21 2013 18:07 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 21 2013 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 21 2013 17:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey Rayn what do you think about obvious being willing to policy lynch his town read?

It makes no sense. In Red Team's Prize i was all in for lynching town!OO for making a case on me that mostly said "rayn is doing this or that, i don't know what does it make him". After that game, when he flipped town, i have mostly ignored him and let other people do the reading on him, as i suck at it. I always find him suspicious regardless of his alignment. But yeah, his comment makes no sense to me. Do you think it makes him scum or not?

What do you think about Hapa buying yamato's explanation behind his reads? Also why the hell are you buying it?

On June 21 2013 17:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
he was scum.
And I would use meta if the most recent games differ from previous games because in my experience, i play similar to the most recent games. SO THEREFORE, the next time shiao pi plays scum, it would be similar to that game and not a game a a month or so ago.

Do you remember from top of your head which game that was?

Yeah pretty much the same. Like in carnival cruise mafia I was sure he was scum in the game and in the obs qt for days. Like to me he always seems super scummy. He could just be bad and be wanting to policy lynch his town read, and he could be scum being wishy washy as fuck. if it was anyone other than obvious, I would want to lynch them for being willing to lynch their major town read.

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On June 21 2013 18:15 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 21 2013 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And what was the purpose of asking me about OO in the first place?

Because I need help figuring him out. I would think from your response that that would be obvious.

He professes having problems reading OO. I'm double checking to see what gives him the bolster of confidence.


Me voting for him obvs
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 21:55 GMT
#945
##Vote: goodkarma

Screw him being absent and screw his terrible case on Oats. I don't buy his explanation about the meta thing very much, because he *was* bringing him up on that basis and that basis was bad. I'm also still failing to understand why he was so shocked that Oats wanted to kill yamato for having backflipped reads after being suspicious of Hapa and DP. I was flicking through gk's filter in I Swear (I understand that he was mafia) but GK does seem to be pretty aware of Oats' meta in general. I simply don't get how he could be so suspicious of Oats at that stage for what Oats had done.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 21:55 GMT
#946
On June 23 2013 06:54 slOosh wrote:
So did he follow up with you when you unvoted OO?


He's australian and went to bed, not unreasonably.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 21:58 GMT
#950
We're not still lynching yamato, and anyone with their vote on yamato is being silly.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 22:01 GMT
#954
On June 23 2013 06:58 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
I just don't get why a mafia DP would decline repeatedly to comment on the Hapa case. It doesn't make sense to me.

Marv could I get a follow up on this one? Why wouldn't town DP just say from the getgo
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 01:35 DarthPunk wrote:
You know what I think about your case? I think it was bad. I think it took you a long time to say not much about why hapa is scum and CERTAINLY nothing convincing enough to make me want to lynch hapa day one.

Like basically you are saying hapa didn't respond to a question and was vague about scum reads. Fine. That is not enough to lynch anyone. If your case had blown me away then I would be far more willing to (IMO) waste time talking about a hapa lynch over an obvious lynch. But it didn't so I wasn't.

instead of refusing to do it?


The point about it is that it drew a massive amount of attention to himself, namely 3 votes in a very short space of time. It can't have been that unsurprising that he was irritating the shit out of people, rayn/me/someone else was all over him for it, yet he still held out. I don't get the attention-drawing thing as mafia.

I'd agree with you that as a townie he should just answer it too, it just makes even less sense for mafia to make themselves look terrible for no good reason, whereas townies think about that less
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 22:02 GMT
#955
Hapa we're an hour out, can you start pushing things? :/
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 22:04 GMT
#957
Um, I'm not as against it as I was before. I'm kinda squirmy. I think GK is a better lynch.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 22:04 GMT
#959
On June 23 2013 07:04 slOosh wrote:
Marv you don't think DP is someone who is comfortable with pressure as scum? Also want to echo Ange777's question


there's a difference between being comfortable with pressure and bringing massive, unnecessary pressure on to yourself, don't you think?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 22:05 GMT
#962
On June 23 2013 07:04 Ange777 wrote:
So what exactly do you need hapa to push for? For a GK lynch? Why not try to push others yourself?


I don't care what Hapa pushes for, I just want him pushing. He's stated willingness to lynch into players but he's not drawn his line in the sand yet.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 22:08 GMT
#968
On June 23 2013 07:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 07:02 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa we're an hour out, can you start pushing things? :/


I'd like to think I've been pushing discussion quite well for the past two hours. If you want me to lock onto a single read, well I just went and did it (though somewhat reluctantly). I do as well think GK is the better lynch, but I can't say with a straight face that I wouldn't mind seeing DP hang. And it looks like your attitude is exactly the same.


It is. But time is running short and as I'm not totes sure I wanted to know where you stood.

On June 22 2013 21:29 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually (after re-reading), after Hapa writes his "case" on me i'll tell you the following things:
1) Why Hapa and yamato are scum
2) Why marv is town
3) How i play as scum and how i play as town
4) Why i am town and see point #1


I don't see why you'd tell us this, and then sit on said writeup... We have 10 1/2 hours before lynch, and it seems we're nowhere close to coming to some kind of consolidation. If you have some kind of damning super-convincing case on Hapa/Yamato, why not get it out in the open now?


His last post is particularly annoying, because he's talking about consolidation and then... poof!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 22:08 GMT
#969
On June 23 2013 07:08 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 07:04 marvellosity wrote:
On June 23 2013 07:04 slOosh wrote:
Marv you don't think DP is someone who is comfortable with pressure as scum? Also want to echo Ange777's question

there's a difference between being comfortable with pressure and bringing massive, unnecessary pressure on to yourself, don't you think?

I think you are overemphasizing the 3 votes a bit - you saw that they were quickly removed as they were put on.

You said yourself it doesn't make sense for town DP to do that either. So I don't understand how you are using something alignment null to say DP is leaning town.


Because I said it makes a lot less sense for mafia to do that. Pretty sure I said that already slOosh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 22:15 GMT
#973
On June 23 2013 07:12 slOosh wrote:
Ehh ... maybe we're just splitting hairs on playstyle ... whatever.

Could I ask for your general feel of ShiaoPi?


Yes. I deplore his opening yamato post/jab, and I don't like his disappearance, and his posting seems to lack depth. In contrast, I felt his explanations for his opening post came across really sincerely. I also thought it was diligent to pick GK up on the specifics of Oats' meta (about tunnelling and how that was later than Day 1). Overall he's pretty null, and this explanation might help you understand why i put him under the heading I did in my list :p
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 22:24 GMT
#978
That might be the towniest thing gk has done :x
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 22:27 GMT
#981
On June 23 2013 07:26 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 07:24 marvellosity wrote:
That might be the towniest thing gk has done :x

The "fuck off, I'm doing my thang", thang?


The inb4 null thing. As scum he'd have to be in the mindset of taunting his (presumably) town mislynch attempt.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 22:32 GMT
#991
On June 23 2013 07:29 slOosh wrote:
Marv, could I have your thoughts on Hapa's general attitude toward DP?


They seem fairly similar to mine, so I don't have that much to say about it really.

Ange and OO both make some compelling points but it's just not a wagon I feel comfortable on, nor do I have the confidence that DP is town to discourage the wagon massively.
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