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On June 23 2013 06:45 Hapahauli wrote: That kinda read as scummy to me. He's just picking a fight and getting angry over something stupid and random. I think Oats was right though, as mafia why not just answer the question? I can understand as town thinking you were a dumb lynch and not wanting to talk about it. Why even pick a fight there? | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:46 ObviousOne wrote: Let's say for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate that I'm wrong about DP and that your view makes the most sense: the period when I was around was, what, 6-9 hours into the game? That means that it was pretty early in the game to be making hard scum stances which does make some sense. Not everyone had checked in, middle of the night for probably half of the players in the game, etc. That means that his vote on me devolves into a policy lynch. Specifically, his evidence is that I fucked off (that I was not here is undeniable and I won't even contest it). What makes his POLICY lynch better than mine? Perhaps DP didn't take into consideration that I didn't want a repeat of Carnival N0 where I tunneled the hell out of him for something that I was stupid about (the miller claim) knowing full well that if I get into it with him it's probably going to shit up the thread. No, that's not a policy lynch. At least not in my eyes. | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:48 ObviousOne wrote: Lurker lynch is not a policy lynch? Just asking because that's how I see his final push on me with this stuff. Maybe you see it differently? Ugh... it's a bit complicated. Mafia like to lurk, and a true lurker policy lynch is just drawing one of them out of a hat and lynching that one, rather than expand on why this lurker in particular. And he did expand on why you in particular. | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:50 slOosh wrote: Right now I'm spending time looking into the context of DP's stance on ObviousOne. He professes having problems reading OO. I'm double checking to see what gives him the bolster of confidence. Me voting for him obvs | ||
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Screw him being absent and screw his terrible case on Oats. I don't buy his explanation about the meta thing very much, because he *was* bringing him up on that basis and that basis was bad. I'm also still failing to understand why he was so shocked that Oats wanted to kill yamato for having backflipped reads after being suspicious of Hapa and DP. I was flicking through gk's filter in I Swear (I understand that he was mafia) but GK does seem to be pretty aware of Oats' meta in general. I simply don't get how he could be so suspicious of Oats at that stage for what Oats had done. | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:54 slOosh wrote: So did he follow up with you when you unvoted OO? He's australian and went to bed, not unreasonably. | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:58 slOosh wrote: Marv could I get a follow up on this one? Why wouldn't town DP just say from the getgo instead of refusing to do it? The point about it is that it drew a massive amount of attention to himself, namely 3 votes in a very short space of time. It can't have been that unsurprising that he was irritating the shit out of people, rayn/me/someone else was all over him for it, yet he still held out. I don't get the attention-drawing thing as mafia. I'd agree with you that as a townie he should just answer it too, it just makes even less sense for mafia to make themselves look terrible for no good reason, whereas townies think about that less | ||
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On June 23 2013 07:04 slOosh wrote: Marv you don't think DP is someone who is comfortable with pressure as scum? Also want to echo Ange777's question there's a difference between being comfortable with pressure and bringing massive, unnecessary pressure on to yourself, don't you think? | ||
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On June 23 2013 07:04 Ange777 wrote: So what exactly do you need hapa to push for? For a GK lynch? Why not try to push others yourself? I don't care what Hapa pushes for, I just want him pushing. He's stated willingness to lynch into players but he's not drawn his line in the sand yet. | ||
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On June 23 2013 07:07 Hapahauli wrote: I'd like to think I've been pushing discussion quite well for the past two hours. If you want me to lock onto a single read, well I just went and did it (though somewhat reluctantly). I do as well think GK is the better lynch, but I can't say with a straight face that I wouldn't mind seeing DP hang. And it looks like your attitude is exactly the same. It is. But time is running short and as I'm not totes sure I wanted to know where you stood. On June 22 2013 21:29 goodkarma wrote: I don't see why you'd tell us this, and then sit on said writeup... We have 10 1/2 hours before lynch, and it seems we're nowhere close to coming to some kind of consolidation. If you have some kind of damning super-convincing case on Hapa/Yamato, why not get it out in the open now? His last post is particularly annoying, because he's talking about consolidation and then... poof! | ||
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On June 23 2013 07:08 slOosh wrote: I think you are overemphasizing the 3 votes a bit - you saw that they were quickly removed as they were put on. You said yourself it doesn't make sense for town DP to do that either. So I don't understand how you are using something alignment null to say DP is leaning town. Because I said it makes a lot less sense for mafia to do that. Pretty sure I said that already slOosh. | ||
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On June 23 2013 07:12 slOosh wrote: Ehh ... maybe we're just splitting hairs on playstyle ... whatever. Could I ask for your general feel of ShiaoPi? Yes. I deplore his opening yamato post/jab, and I don't like his disappearance, and his posting seems to lack depth. In contrast, I felt his explanations for his opening post came across really sincerely. I also thought it was diligent to pick GK up on the specifics of Oats' meta (about tunnelling and how that was later than Day 1). Overall he's pretty null, and this explanation might help you understand why i put him under the heading I did in my list :p | ||
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On June 23 2013 07:26 ObviousOne wrote: The "fuck off, I'm doing my thang", thang? The inb4 null thing. As scum he'd have to be in the mindset of taunting his (presumably) town mislynch attempt. | ||
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On June 23 2013 07:29 slOosh wrote: Marv, could I have your thoughts on Hapa's general attitude toward DP? They seem fairly similar to mine, so I don't have that much to say about it really. Ange and OO both make some compelling points but it's just not a wagon I feel comfortable on, nor do I have the confidence that DP is town to discourage the wagon massively. | ||
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