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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato wanna lynch OO? That does seem like he's not trying particularly hard to do these things. In my experience, town OO would be reading closer than that. If we're not lynching DP, I'll lynch OO. | ||
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yamato77
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I don't think Coag is scum, so I'm rather inclined to think he's right in his perspective on this situation. | ||
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato are you scum with OO? No, but his explanation actually makes some sense. I can believe town OO is resigned to having played badly and could understand how Sloosh thinks he's scum. Not every town player thinks they look obvtown. | ||
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl, if you are town and someone makes a case (or like here, a "case") on you you don't fucking go and say "that guy is telling the truth". That's not what you do as town, EVER! He didn't say he's telling the truth, he said that it makes sense that Sloosh says it. There's a distinction between thinking someone is right, and thinking that someone believes what they are saying. | ||
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yamato77
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Of the people accusing me, which is more likely to have a role that has a secret vote? Is it DP, Cora, Rayn, or Oats? From my perspective, Oats is immediately dismissed because of his questioning the secret vote after the count was posted. Corazon is also probably not the holder because of timing. Rayn is also likely not the person with the secret vote, because he's obviously town, and he would have no reason to hide his intention of lynching me. DP, on the other hand, I do not think is town. He is the most logical choice because he seems the least town out of the four. He also left this vote and his real vote on different targets, and has repeatedly stated his desire to lynch both of us. This vote could not have come from town, because town has no reason to hide who they vote for, and if they did have the vote, they would claim it. This vote has to have come from mafia, and it has to have come from DP. | ||
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually am not sure of you being mafia because you noticed the same stuff about OO i did. What still worries me is that you are unwilling to vote for the mafia dude. When you read OO's posting since the apparent mistake, does it seem like he's scum scarmbling to cover it up? Not to me. He's been consistent in his explanation the whole time. It's also conceivably true that OO is self-critical about his play and understands how Sloosh could have viewed his posting as scummy / suspicious. I hesitate to vote from him because I feel there's a good chance that he's town. This chance does not exist with DP, who I firmly believe to be mafia. | ||
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 03:17 Hapahauli wrote: Mornin all, catchin up You. I'm watching you. | ||
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: It was me who questioned the secret vote, not Oats. Oats called it WIFOM. Regardless, his interaction with the vote makes it unlikely that he's the holder. The holder would probably not want to acknowledge its existence, like DP did when he left. Oats has no reason to make the vote and then post about it. | ||
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On June 23 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes it seems like that to me. Also DP is leading on OO and while i think it is a bad decision for scum!OO to go after DP that's not something 100% guaranteed. I also think OO scumslipped and that makes me believe he is scum and DP is town. I do not think that scumslips truly exist, after my experience with BH in Les Mafia. | ||
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yamato77
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Why would scum OO ever make that mistake? Wouldn't scum OO be more wary of people who are suspicious of him than to apparently agree with them? Nevermind that he didn't actually say that it was the truth, he just said that he understood how Sloosh could see it that way. | ||
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 04:06 ObviousOne wrote: Yamato what do you think about Shiao? Could still be scum, would rather lynch DP. Seriously, he's actually demonstrably mafia. | ||
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yamato77
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I analysed it on the last page. | ||
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 04:16 Hapahauli wrote: It requires far too many assumptions. Firstly, it's a secret vote, so the pool of candidates isn't necessarily comprised of only the people suspicious of you in the thread. Secondly, I don't like assuming that it's a mafia ability. At the very least, I'm not making my decision based on that assumption. 1) It doesn't makes sense at all from a town perspective. 2) I don't suspect anyone else but shiao/ange/adam and they are all afk lurkers. There's no one who is both active enough to place that vote to try to get me lynched and also someone that would have any interest in lynching me. | ||
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yamato77
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Who is it, then? DP is the only one that makes any sense. And it's obviously not a town vote. | ||
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 04:23 Hapahauli wrote: Who knows. Hosts design "red herring" roles all the time. I understand thinking that a secret vote could be scummy, but basing a lynch decision on it is a whole different game. Secondly consider this argument - if you are town, and someone on your wagon is scum, why would scum place a secret vote on you? It creates all sorts of alarm-bells amongst the town and questions about the lynch. ...which is why we need to lynch an afk lurker. There are too many liabilities right now. For example, you seem not to want to lynch sloOsh because he's "more readable down the road." Well DP is readable down the road too, AND he's more active of a presence. That's just it, OO and Cora are probably town. The secret vote was placed on me to get me lynched, and it's actually working. Who has a vested interest in actually getting me lynched? DP. It's obviously his vote, and he's obviously not town. A townie would claim the fucking vote even if they did have it, because they have no reason to hide their intent to lynch. | ||
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 04:29 Hapahauli wrote: Again, I'm not making a lynch decision based on the assumption that the Secret Vote is a scum role. Could be 3rd party, and hell I do think it could be some town "double-voter" role. But behaviorally, what makes DP scum? I don't want to coin-flip a lynch on an active player, and there are better targets for such lynches. What makes him scum? He's actually not as active as you think. Look at the content of his posts. It essentially hasn't changed since the beginning of the game. He's posting to LOOK involved, but in reality, he's not even trying to do anything but get either of me or OO lynched, and hasn't even done a very good job of explaining why either of us are good lynches. He's repeated himself multiple times and made brevity posts, but it's obvious that he's not town from his involvement of the game. You admitted it yourself! The secret vote is obviously not town. Why would you care if its third party or scum? If he's 3P, he's obviously anti-town, because he's trying to kill a townie with his role. | ||
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote: That's actually true. No townie has claimed the vote, and someone should have claimed it by now if it was a town vote. However, why are you precluding the possibility of someone off of your wagon (and not pushing your lynch) from placing said secret vote? The only people that have an interest in lynching me are: 1) incorrect townies (who I've ruled out) 2) Scum (DP may or may not be, and the other candidates for scum are largely lurkers) 3) Anti-town 3P (who DP may or may not be) You agree with me that most active players besides DP seem town enough. Lurkers simply aren't here in the game to make the vote at the right timing to get my lynched. Who else would it be but DP? LOOK AT THE TIMING. IT PERFECTLY COINCIDES WITH HIM LEAVING THE THREAD. On June 23 2013 00:38 Acrofales wrote: Vote Count marvellosity (1): cDgCorazon (0): Oatsmaster (0): yamato77 (2): ShiaoPi (1): goodkarma (1): ShiaoPi slOosh (0): ObviousOne (2): marvellosity, DarthPunk Hapahauli (2): yamato77, raynpelikoneet ObviousOne is currently set to be lynched. Deadline is at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) in . The last votecount before the one with the secret vote. On June 23 2013 02:19 HiroPro wrote: Vote Count marvellosity (1): cDgCorazon (0): Oatsmaster (0): yamato77 (3): ShiaoPi (1): goodkarma (1): ShiaoPi slOosh (0): ObviousOne (2): Hapahauli (1): DarthPunk (1): yamato77 is currently set to be lynched. Deadline is at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) in . Less than 2 HOURS LATER, the votecount shows the vote. Who was in the thread that could have made the vote? DP. | ||
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