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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 01:10 GMT
#1674
Someone help me think through this.

##Unvote: goodkarma
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 01:11 GMT
#1675
Eerie .... ok Hapa, where do you want to start looking? I'm currently reading Adam wondering if I was too lenient
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 01:12 GMT
#1676
On June 24 2013 18:56 Adam4167 wrote:
Going by vote analysis alone, it would make sense that GK is also scum, as Rayn let his vote waste on OO rather than swing it over to GK after I threw mine on to get that wagon over the line and save DP. Granted, its entirely possible Rayn was AFK for the lynch.

Like this. This makes no sense to me.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 01:21 GMT
#1678
Hapa from your perspective, how much did you feel like rayn was angling for your lynch today (were he alive)?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 01:29 GMT
#1683
On June 25 2013 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 10:21 slOosh wrote:
Hapa from your perspective, how much did you feel like rayn was angling for your lynch today (were he alive)?


Given that he was repeatedly stating his suspicions on me throughout D1/N1, I assume he probably would push for it to some degree. He was a nuker, so perhaps he wanted to get enough suspicion on me in order to drop a nuke on me and semi-justify it. I really can only speculate about it though.

Then again, it's not like you'll get an objective answer out of me on this subject >>

No, that's what I wanted, because I feel like the recipient of it has a much better "feel" for it.
I ask this because I'm reading rayn's filter and trying to discern his attack pattern. It is true that he fingered out Adam as suspect, but I don't know if it was setting up stuff for a mislynch or just good distancing.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 01:33 GMT
#1687
On June 25 2013 10:30 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 25 2013 10:23 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oats or GK...I'm not lynching anyone else.


Ok. What do you think of what GK just posted?


Well I don't want to be called a dick for not believing him, but his play does not back up his town claim. I hate to say it, but no one's claimed the RB on me and he claimed RB but with no way to verify, so what am I supposed to believe?

I could see a scum GK roleblocking me just in case I was an investigative/vigilante type role (because we had no clue about the set-up before Yamato/Marv's flip) because I was starting to get really tired of his illogical pushes and I was starting to call him scum.

There is a possibility that he is town JK, and there is a scum RB who is keeping their mouth shut.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 01:37 GMT
#1688
On June 25 2013 10:30 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 10:12 slOosh wrote:
On June 24 2013 18:56 Adam4167 wrote:
Going by vote analysis alone, it would make sense that GK is also scum, as Rayn let his vote waste on OO rather than swing it over to GK after I threw mine on to get that wagon over the line and save DP. Granted, its entirely possible Rayn was AFK for the lynch.

Like this. This makes no sense to me.

It was a hypothetical look at how the end of day 1 played out. If GK were town, wouldn't Rayn have tried to save his scum teammate by voting GK off? Now if two scum were being pushed, Rayn would be better off saying nothing and just letting the lynch play out. The caveat is that the lynch seems to be in the middle of the night for him, so its entirely possible that he was asleep when this all played out and that is the reason he never moved his vote. Going by GK's current posting, hes looking town, so this is all moot.

By that logic, if GK were scum, wouldn't Rayn have lynched the less experienced teammate, gain crazy town cred for hammering, and opening up a better pool of potential mislynches in the DP wagon than the GK wagon?

It's not all moot because we need to figure this one out and it helps us if we can better determine your alignment.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 01:39 GMT
#1690
It would also be pretty nice if the people we are discussing would give (updating) reads on each other. That way, even if we mislynch it makes it invariably more difficult for scum to secure future mislynch targets.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 01:54 GMT
#1701
Honestly right now it's Adam more than Oats.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 01:55 GMT
#1706
On June 25 2013 10:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
This game... he seems very reluctant to push his reads in any meaningful way. He's poked at me saying I'm scum several times this game, but it has all been a "joke" according to him. He's also poked at Adam, but sounds really reluctant to go after him.

Actually explain this more, do you not feel my push on yamato and adam being as not meaningful? Can you say why?


You're "pushing" them but it's so much more passive than your pushes in past games against other players.

Like this:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 00:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
sloosh why do I wanna lynch you again?
Why.... .

Everyone had rayn as town except Coag. So thats not really a point in favor of Adam's townieness.
AHHH I DONT KNOW. Am i crazy for seeing something no one else sees?


Why aren't you voting the guy? You clearly think he's scum above all your other reads. Yet it sounds like you're waiting for the approval of others of your case before you do anything.

I'd argue the opposite. He has been trying to draw attention to it for a long time, but has been ignored / sidelined / whatnot. What is "do anything"? Putting the vote on him?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 02:00 GMT
#1711
On June 25 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sloosh, why did you instantly unvote gk?
Why do you feel its more likely to come from town gk and not scum gk? How sure are you?

Unvote because I want more discussion. Still quite unsure b/c I suck with emotions (if you remember VE and Nomination).
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 02:04 GMT
#1713
Hrmph.

So he is scum because he didn't stick his vote early on? You need to walk me through this, and if you want to use meta I need to see some quotes instead of references.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 02:13 GMT
#1723
On June 25 2013 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
I changed my mind hapa, I currently think that town would not have martyred in the best way to not get himself lynched.
Like all the other people selfvoting havent been so thought through.

Could you rephrase this sentence please Oats? I don't understand.

Right now I'm still finding myself siding with Oats over Adam. Oats is right in that the things that Adam are bringing up aren't that substantive. The only thing against Oats is this GK thing, but I can guess a town motivation which would fit with Oats, so just waiting for him to say it I guess.

In anycase I have to bounce for now.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 21:35 GMT
#1803
I'm here and trying to review stuff. Clearly the last scum is doing at least somewhat of a decent job hiding themselves.

Gk's last post is more than a "i quit mafia" post. There's actual content in it.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 21:47 GMT
#1805
... I still don't know.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 22:22 GMT
#1807
Given how unsure I feel, I'm starting to think about lynching for info. Maybe we won't hit scum tonight, but maybe we can shoot for maximum benefit in the late-game. Hapa am I going too crazy?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 22:23 GMT
#1808
Is mass claim (within the 4) stupid?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 22:37 GMT
#1811
Bleh, I can't do it. Nothing is satisfying in my head. Going with a gut call, not sure what to expect:

##Vote: ShiaoPi
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 22:39 GMT
#1812
Guhh maybe it is GK ...
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 25 2013 22:43 GMT
#1813
On June 21 2013 17:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2013 16:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
well my point is that as scum I feel he wouldve been way more helpful than so far as town cause he doesnt care about being lynched as town but he cares as scum.

This was about ShiaoPi. I don't agree with this Oats. In LXI ShiaoPi was definitely not helpful at any time and was caught with Clarity on N1. Only think that saved him from being lynched quicker was his weird "i'm lost" behaviour on D3.

Where do you base this feel of yours Oats?

I dunno man. I dunno.
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