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On June 25 2013 01:49 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 01:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Think about it, OO, why has he not said the elimination reason, and instead, said its cause he cant be bothered with reading me and its better to kill me now than for me to lose lylo. Quick question then, have you played many games together with Adam? Is his antagonistic nature and desire to kill you "because you're bad" indicative of him being less tolerant of it because of how Smurf ended or because he's not interested in figuring out your alignment as mafia? I can see the case for it being either one, but if you can elaborate on any history you have with him (prior to Smurf) that would point to reasons why this would be out of character for him that would be helpful.
(I say prior to smurf as in when the game happened, not as in you played in it, just for clarification)
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On June 25 2013 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
A lot of games, maybe 4-5?
Most of the games, hes not been really active, just posting once in a while and occansional insightful things.
But oh man, duel mini. He played super well, found lots of scum, was thread leader. Good stuff. Not seeing any of that here.
I dont recall adam as much of a policy lyncher and his lynch is definitely couched as a policy lynch.
Okay, I think I see where you're getting at with Adam.
His explanation for not scum hunting as aggressively as you saw him do in Duel Mini allegedly has to do with what he is declaring as the "quality of the scum team" plus his confidence in his reads this game compared to that one. That means that he should be ultra-qualifying about his town reads if he's going to scum hunt by process of elimination and from what I'm seeing, his town reads aren't totally comprehensive.
If the scum team is so high caliber, then by his own admission he should be thoroughly mapping his thought processes on and interacting with the players who are likely to be playing this high-caliber scum game. I don't see a short list of players from him who fit this nebulous concept.
Adam, how do you match this concept of a high-level scum game to your current reads. Just based on my own personal experience with players in this game, my list of players that would fit your criteria is staggeringly short (read: Hapa who let the DP lynch go through relatively painlessly + whose scum game would have been outed by Yamato based on their history, and perhaps to a lesser degree ShiaoPi who I had as town at various points in LXI).
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On June 25 2013 02:57 Coagulation wrote:
Herp derp derp der.
Derp derpy herpaderp?
Derpaherp.
I agree with everything you said, but I disagree with what I bolded. Could you clarify that?
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On June 25 2013 04:53 ShiaoPi wrote:
OO/coag/sloosh:
any comment on gk now? also who you wanna lynch today? (besides coag who wants me dead)
I'm struggling to come up with a scenario where Yamato dies while jailed. Presumably Marv was retired, fulfilling his win-con, by using his KP thing on Yamato, but that only makes sense if Yamato was a fake CID investigator and the reveal doesn't say fake CID investigator.
Are players made aware of whether or not a CID Investigator flip is a fake one or a real one, or is it intentionally ambiguous?
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On June 25 2013 05:25 ShiaoPi wrote:
i think the part about fake is just flavor for the assasins. but thats me
Individual teams of 1 you think?
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On June 25 2013 05:29 ShiaoPi wrote:
yes. since they were 3rd parties. also thejr roles suggest working alone as they are pretty much jack of all trades with the focus on survival and hujting the other cid
Okay, let's talk it out then.
Scenario 1: He is actually JK. His semi-martyring and attitude come off as dejected town. His claim comes after the fact, no crumb or hint was shown that he had done this from before the deadline unless he hasn't brought it up but that's not something that normally happens in regular games anymore (crumbing, that is, unless you're Coag). Playing from behind, with lots of suspicion on him, he's using the last line of defense he can think to use since he doesn't feel confident enough to argue out of his position: his role. He does mention that he's had similar thought patterns to Yamato:
On June 21 2013 15:34 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey GK? what you think of yamato. Scum or town? I can relate to his methodology of using process of elimination to determine scum, as this is the way I like to play. And I'd say it's possible that he came to the conclusions he did with said methodology. Especially considering the majority of this thread to date has been trollish nonsense rather than real scumhunting. He's a null read for me right now. Which in itself is a little odd, considering I quickly (and correctly) concluded he was town when playing with him in Les Mafia.
so I can potentially see a defensive jail on Yamato from GK.
Scenario 2: He's mafia claiming JK in a way that makes his claim unverifiable but also relatively believable. There's a potential way for Yamato to die even while JK'd and if he saw the flips and read the role PMs he would be able to use it as a last ditch effort to survive.
Scenario 3: He's a mafia JK - I don't think this would pass the sniff test for game balance so I just want to discard it. Too broken.
I think it boils down to opinion on whether or not one sources his claim as either desperation or exasperation and I can see the case for both. Apply KISS and the town explanation appeals to me more. I believe the claim that he is JK and that most likely means he is town.
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On June 25 2013 05:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
also the other option would be 4 factions in a 14player game....highly doubt it
town, scum and two other factions who have to kill each other? no just no, why would marv be femoved from game if he was not a 1man team that fulfilled his winconc?
to be honest I dont quite get what your problem is witb the role. GKs roleclaim itself is terrible and in line with his d1 behavior
I've been there man. I've martyred so many times that it's not even appropriate and I should have been banned for it. (LX, Carnival, one or two newbie games, I think even Fruity somewhat).
What is your familiarity and, if it exists, your opinion of GK's scum game based on your history together if applicable?
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On June 25 2013 06:29 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 08:11 goodkarma wrote:
@Corazon:
From the OP:
"Overview: This is a closed setup. There are no standard notifications (RB, save, hit) in this game and there will be full role reveal on death. Passive abilities and factional KP cannot be roleblocked. The town win condition is to eliminate all anti-town players."
So either you are lying, or the host is.
Wait a sec, from just at start d2. Factional KP cannot be blocked. As gk picked that quote he must have known that he couls not defensively rb. so yamato would have been an offensive rb. while that makes more sense it is still weird why would you rb your null???
You're saying he knew that his action could not block KP, and therefore he used it offensively while knowing it wouldn't be effective offensively?
I think you're misreading it. "Passive abilities and factional KP cannot be roleblocked." means you can't block the sending of the KP, it doesn't mean you can't protect someone from it with a JK ability. If you couldn't protect with the JK role what would be its value in this setup based on what we know of so far?
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On June 25 2013 10:38 Hapahauli wrote:
blaaaargh and then adam brings up a good point
The one thing that's been on the back of my mind this game about Oats, is that he's definetely throwing around his suspicions a lot and acting "paranoid", but he's pushing his suspicions in such a different way than town games I've seen him do in the past.
For example, when he thought I was scum in his last town game (I Swear), he went against all thread sentiment and was hurling suspicion at me, screaming that I was scum and that he wanted me to get lynched. Similarly in Red Team's Prize, he did the same to a town-leader Palmar. Hurled shit at him against all town sentiment and was completely uncompromising about it.
This game... he seems very reluctant to push his reads in any meaningful way. He's poked at me saying I'm scum several times this game, but it has all been a "joke" according to him. He's also poked at Adam, but sounds really reluctant to go after him.
Yeah, I'm not sure what to make of this fever pitch foaming-mouth Oats. I don't think I'll get anything useful out of trying to figure out what his last-remaining-scum behavior is like given the sample size of his general behavior but you're right about some of these posts feeling really different.
Then he goes and does his classical town format post which he's banging out at top speed so I think it's authentic:
On June 25 2013 11:13 Oatsmaster wrote:Because closed setup. Gk martyred. I rather kill adam cause I think he has a higher chance of being scum. He scumclaimed MORE.  So do you have exact questions?
Oats, you need to relax for a second. Read GK's post, shit I'll even do it myself. Cross out the martyring stuff and look at his thoughts regarding the game that have nothing to do with him wanting to die.
On June 25 2013 09:53 goodkarma wrote:
Kinda a pain, as that means between Hapa, Oats, Adam, Shao, you need to determine one you absolutely believe to be townie in determining the last scum. Sadly, I would say Adam is someone I like more than the other three right now.
Picked Yamato because he thinks similarly to me as town, and I saw that type of mentality here. Voting on the DP wagon also put him on the list of "very likely town," so made him the best candidate in my mind. Obvious I also considered, given the mislynch push on him by flipped scum put him at near confirmed town. Ange actually didn't come to mind at the time. She had "internet troubles" for a good deal of the day, and my biggest concern as JK was to find a likely town I felt would 1) likely be able to carrry town to victory, and 2) would be a likely candidate to get shot by scum. Yamato fit best in my mind. And any arguements like "Ange was obvious JK choice," are making pants-on-head retarded arguements. It's super-easy to say shit like that in retrospect post-flip.
Be sure to not have some built-in bias and reassess the game anew after my flip. Like that really is a big piece of this is build in bias. Sure I haven't done oodles of stuff in finding scum, but quite frankly, several people are just as guilty of me in this category. So what it comes down to is you don't like my writing style, or don't like that I'm not perma-inthread, or don't like I don't ask a shitload of pointless questions, or so on... What questions I've asked I've clarified, and what cases I've made I've clarified. I really don't care to retread anything I've done to date.
Those leading this wagon (Shao and Hapa), to the extent of my knowledge, have both EXCLUSIVELY played with me when I've been scum, so I imagine they have bias there as well. They keep trying to match up what I've done as scum, and have not tried worth fucking shit to see if I would be capable of doing that as town. In other words, they're making piss-poor meta arguements. Sure you could say this guy has "objectively scummy" play or whatever, but honestly, some of the case points I've seen recently are absolute crap. Like "your posts are long": THAT's HOW I FUCKING WRITE. "Your roleclaim is convenient": This is a point made with the complete bias of looking in retrospect at how people flipped. "Maybe you should change your day one playstyle": I could go into great depth as to how that wouldn't change anything (I've tried numerous different things actually), and how this is more about how I write and process information than anything.
Seriously, is this post even necessary if he's the last scum? As Hapa brought up, GK literally just quit mafia right in front of us, within the game? Arguably not the best place to do it but seriously, why would he as mafia write a huge ass exit post, resign to his fate, and still contribute in some way to reads and helping the town on the way out? If he's not going to come back then he flips eventually anyway and we'll find out for sure when that happens but at least don't completely disregard that this is meaningful thought about the game when he could literally just plain check out.
As a martyr in previous games as well as reading some others I've seen lots of arguments used to lynch martyrs, policy, pity, lack of alternative. I've never seen anything like this before.
Yes, it's premeditated. He knew he was fed up with his situation, he crafted this and he posted it. He didn't spam or shit up the thread with his anger; it was neat an concise and delivered some final thoughts that aren't out of left field.
On June 25 2013 11:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 11:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
not really reading thoriughly but hapa do you remember lvii?
dp did the same thing"i quit mafia forever"
currently i dont buy gk martying like this. Can you link me that post by DP btw? But also, I can't really see scum-GK being this... emotionally manipulative, you know?
If Oats can show how DP tried to help further the town agenda in his quit post then I will accept his stance on GK being scum.
As far as a response to you about Oats... well, I still haven't invoked that policy lynch yet, so there's that. He's completely disregarding his image for his push(es), he's not buddying ANYONE or trying to mirror thread sentiment. I don't feel like he's actively trying to change his playstyle or anything, this feels like genuine townie fanaticism from him. Some of this off the hinges stuff just... makes me consider that I should doubt my read, and then he comes back down to his baseline.
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Lol Hapa you're trying to get blood from a stone. Gonna take a fresh look at Shiao.
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On June 22 2013 00:32 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2013 00:10 ShiaoPi wrote:sorry went off for a round of dota On June 21 2013 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you agree you were saying something just for sake of saying something? The post I did was in order to verify if my impression of yamatos play is shared by everyone or at least some of the other players. so no that post was not only for the sake of saying something. On June 21 2013 23:14 marvellosity wrote:On June 21 2013 23:08 ShiaoPi wrote:
Because that is what yamato does (at least in my memory)? Yes, it does not help anyone to determine his alignment right now, but what did you expect, words of wisdom in every post I do on day 1? It's just something to keep in mind.
I am thinking you are blowing this way out of proportion When have you played with yamato that has given you this impression? Cannot pin point it to a certain game right now, would have to look in his game history again, but it is more I always feel like wanting to shoot him for some posts he does. take it as you want, I am really dont feel like like searching for specifics right now. Now on GK: The case on oats is bad since I have not seen anything really alignment indicative from oats right now. gk is just using oats playstyle against him to look contributing and scumhunting, usual scum motivation stuff. His play also feels a lot like I swear this is normal mini mafia, which just ended recently and where I and gk were scum. (minus the inactive replacement shenanis) Also gk is most surely familiar with oats' play so taking this "easy" target is something I think is clearly scummotivated The case on Oats is bad for sure. I'm just trying to figure out if it's scum!GK or town!GK doing this. You seem to be sure of him being scum because you have voted for him. It does not matter if GK has done this as scum, the question you did not answer is do you have evidence that he has not done this as town? Is your meta-case valid or not? I think mainly based on gut feeling and comparison with the last game as scum we had together. Cant remember the last time goodkarma rolled town with me playing as well. Also you just objectively judged that the case is terribad, so why do you need so much meta? Meta is much more of a helpful factor in my opinion not necessarily the argument to get somebody lynched. So I see gk doing that case on oats which is scummy as shit and then compare it to his play in I swear, I think its similar so it reinforces my scumread on him... To be honest I don't even know what your problem is
"I thought about GK's meta so I used his meta to describe his meta but meta isn't the only thing I believe is a good idea to use"
lol
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On June 24 2013 15:18 ShiaoPi wrote:
EBWOP:
I mean its like 2 votes on me already IIRC. Sure we are still early into the day but I am saying that we should lynch into adam or gk preferrably gk, but if that is not gonna happen because you think me scummier, fine lynch me but get gk next after you see my town flip.
Hapa tell me what you make of this. This is closer to that scum flavor of martyring that Oats has been belligerent about.
Oats, you got thoughts about this? You threw yourself into the argument regarding GK but you let this one slip by?
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On June 26 2013 04:51 Hapahauli wrote:My feeling is Shiao as well. Yes he had that burst of "gahh I'm lost" posting, but he seems more interested in that than actaully finding mafia. There are two things that are wierding me out about his filter right now: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417453¤tpage=78#1542This post, in which he expresses doubts about GoodKarma yet wants to trade with him anyway. Trading is something you do when you're 100% convinced the other person is scum, and not as a "eh I'm not sure" move. ...And this... Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 11:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
not really reading thoriughly but hapa do you remember lvii?
dp did the same thing"i quit mafia forever"
currently i dont buy gk martying like this. Shiao's a smart guy, so him not seeing eye-to-eye with us on the GK issue is a bit alarming. I'd expect this from Oats, but not from Shiao. I also really don't understand why his switch flipped all of a sudden when GK made his JK claim: Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:58 ShiaoPi wrote:
what the fuck jk claim and you go fuck off again? I mean like there is nothing you are giving us. No reasons motivations or thouhts on wht jailing yamato. fuck my earlier doubts on gk. This is scumgk all over
##Vote:Goodkarma
Will probably be around for a while as I battle insomnia but I really hope I am asleep soon, got to wake up early tmr... If anything, that claim should make you doubt his allignment, and not immediately remove all doubts about his allignment.
That sums it up pretty well for recent activity.
There's also the theme in his filter about calling "lurkers" back to the game. He calls out GK, me, and sloosh the most from a quick skim looking for those. Has he been calling people scummy for lurking, though? Not quite. Technically he can't. He spent a major portion of D1 MIA. This could also explain why there was no major swing from Shiao to push things towards GK.
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EBWOP: Major swing from Shiao to push things toward GK (as in away from DP closer to deadline).
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##vote ShiaoPi
Coag, lend me your vote. I know you be readin'.
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On June 26 2013 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
maybe it was a good bus by rayn and DP.
OO, I would really like you to post too.
Sure thing! This is a post!
In all seriousness, did you want to hear my conspiracy theories?
Surrounding theory 1:
Would like to hear what it is that Coag thinks he has on you, that I don't see him having expanded on. Things he has in his favor: voted DP, shot a second mafia. So unless he's planning to basically lurk out the game and survive to the end riding that he's definitely town. But he's not being forthcoming with his explanation for why you are scum, and I don't think you are, so I'm not sure how to take that as a tell. Not wanting to participate in what he believed was a town lynch without showing exactly why it is that you're scum is suspect to me right now. This does NOT explain where the RB came from though as he has claimed vig powers, so we can throw him out as a suspect? Debunked.
Surrounding theory 2:
Cora has a power that is active during the day. What if he's only claiming half of his power? Those 3P roles had 2 active and one passive ability; what if he's a day-voting-power and night-something-else? Given what we know about the other town roles so far, it's not super likely, just more likely that since they were playing for their own individual win-cons despite being in the game together they had to have some support mechanism. Cora being roleblocked would mean there's an unclaimed bus driver or RB/JK that isn't GK. This scenario is convoluted and leaves a lot to be desired, creates more questions than it answers, discarded.
Surrounding theory 3:
GK pulled off the best rage-quit post of all time as the final mafia, lying about who he had targeted with his JK action (or RB, since I still think JK is broken as a mafia ability) and used it on Cora. His explanation and town's consensus seems to be that Yamato was a good protect for N1, but why lie about it after the fact that the RB was disclosed? If he was only pretending to have protected Yamato while blocking Cora then it makes sense to have blocked Cora based on his blue claim day 1 if he's mafia? Town JK would just own up to it.
Simplest explanations still remain that
Coag is a town vig,
Cora is a town double-voter (unless something weird happens tonight?) with no night powers,
GK is town JK. 3 town based on roles (or their usage) alone.
Hapa I have as town for his hyper engagement and willingness to consider things thoughtfully and rationally with his posts.
Oats, Sloosh, and Adam are all the furthest from town on the spectrum so I will probably have to take a look at each of them again. Oats I've written off as town based mostly on his town meta, Sloosh I originally gave a town read for because I could see exactly where he was coming from regarding my slot among other things, Adam had a super strong start outside of his vote but I don't hold the vote against him as it was made in haste so I need to do a comb-over for his content. Somewhere in here that has to be a motive for blocking Cora.
There you go, that's where I'm headed.
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On June 27 2013 03:00 Acrofales wrote:
Just to be absolutely clear: there are no standard notifications (RB, save, hit) in this game.
Is the one we are aware of a taboo topic then?
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D1 Oats <---> Cora
+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 14:11 cDgCorazon wrote:On June 21 2013 14:10 Sylencia wrote:On June 21 2013 14:00 cDgCorazon wrote:On June 21 2013 13:59 Sylencia wrote:On June 21 2013 13:49 Hapahauli wrote:
In all seriousness, I do want to policy lynch Oats. Every game I've played with him, he's contributed to a toxic town atmosphere by tunneling obv-townies beyond the point of reason. I'm all for killing him until I find an actual scum-read. Until goodkarma was scum last game yet no one listened to us :D Hi Syl. How do you feel about these shenanigans going on between the rest of us? Does anyone have merit in their votes/arguments? I never take the first 6-12 hours seriously unless there's something that resembles a scum slip. Everyone is just trying to pull stuff out of thin air as a case just to generate discussion, and even though I think some of the cases are just plain wrong (eg. what I just said about Hapa's 'case') it doesn't actually say anything. In any case, hipster voting is cool but everyone cries and you get labelled as scum who can't decide on wagons most of the time -_- Well eventually I'll get lynched so many times for playing my own style as town so people will stop labelling me as scum for hipster voting. why dont you change your playstyle so you dont get lynched? On June 21 2013 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 14:16 cDgCorazon wrote:On June 21 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 21 2013 14:11 cDgCorazon wrote:On June 21 2013 14:10 Sylencia wrote:On June 21 2013 14:00 cDgCorazon wrote:On June 21 2013 13:59 Sylencia wrote:On June 21 2013 13:49 Hapahauli wrote:
In all seriousness, I do want to policy lynch Oats. Every game I've played with him, he's contributed to a toxic town atmosphere by tunneling obv-townies beyond the point of reason. I'm all for killing him until I find an actual scum-read. Until goodkarma was scum last game yet no one listened to us :D Hi Syl. How do you feel about these shenanigans going on between the rest of us? Does anyone have merit in their votes/arguments? I never take the first 6-12 hours seriously unless there's something that resembles a scum slip. Everyone is just trying to pull stuff out of thin air as a case just to generate discussion, and even though I think some of the cases are just plain wrong (eg. what I just said about Hapa's 'case') it doesn't actually say anything. In any case, hipster voting is cool but everyone cries and you get labelled as scum who can't decide on wagons most of the time -_- Well eventually I'll get lynched so many times for playing my own style as town so people will stop labelling me as scum for hipster voting. why dont you change your playstyle so you dont get lynched? Cause I can't really change who I am...no matter how much you want me to. Sorry. dick. On June 21 2013 16:00 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 15:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 21 2013 15:56 cDgCorazon wrote:On June 21 2013 15:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont understand why you are so angry cora.
I'm not angry you're just being irrational and I'm calling you out for it. and? Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 13:53 cDgCorazon wrote:
Agree with what Hapa says, I do.
Cloudy and hard to see, the dark side makes it.
Behind the cloudiness, I think Oats is.
##Unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster
And that.
Oats, I'm sure I've had trouble being able to tell in past circumstances, but when you're antagonizing Cora a little bit here, is it in a joking manner? I think that's been a theme with you this game as well, joking around? Was that a motive to taking some jabs at Cora's playstyle? (It's just a touch of hypocrisy [jokes! but not really, but really]
I don't see anything here to point towards reasons for blocking Cora unless Oats thought Cora was a vig and going to shoot him.
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On June 25 2013 17:40 Adam4167 wrote:Sloosh, here is my solidified post as to why I think Oats is scum. First, look at Oats attitude towards the GK ragequit post. He goes from: Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 10:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think gk's post is alignment indicative, hapa immediately unvoting is REALLY FUCKING ODD.
Martyring isnt alignment indicative, and if gk stays alive to lylo, is he benefit to town? no because even as town he gave up.
SO KILL HIM.
I don't think its alignment indicative. Add in casting suspicion onto Hapa for a legitimate unvote and also apparently knowing that GK gave up 'as town'. To: Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hapa, I just saw what I feel is a scumclaim. A SCUMCLAIM.
A SCUMCLAIM. In 10 minutes. His justification is: Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
I changed my mind hapa, I currently think that town would not have martyred in the best way to not get himself lynched.
Like all the other people selfvoting havent been so thought through.
I don't think a townie would ragequit in a way that makes himself look this townie, therefore its a scumclaim. Read that again if you have to. I do not buy this explanation one bit. Look at his attitude towards me. He has been hammering me since I got in here, and utterly refuses to listen to anything I put forward about why I am not scum, nor does he listen to why other people think I might be town. I gave a legitimate response for why I was not playing up to my Duel mafia standards, for which he had no rebuttal. He then uses the same argument again as a reason I am scum when discussing with OO. This kind of blatant disregard for anything coming out of your targets mouth is scummy. You know they're making a point that you cant argue, but you keep harping on it anyway. The one time he shows some form of insecurity in his read towards me? The post he votes me in. That is scummy. If you're sure I'm scum, as he damn well appears to be, drop your vote, call me scum and start convincing everyone else of your viewpoint. Instead, its this: Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote adam
Because the last time as you have quoted I tunneled people, against many people, they flipped town. Is it like that again?
"Last time I tunneled someone to death against what everyone was saying they flipped town. Is that happening again?" This attitude does not gel with voting someone. He's apparently reconsidering yet voting to kill me in the same post. Inconsistent. Scummy. I already went over this before but ill go over it again. I called him out for not having a vote for me. He felt insecure and the need to correct that perceived wrong so he slapped his vote down as soon as he could. One minute later, he's saying "Votes dont matter man", so why did he vote in the first place if they don't matter! He realized he made a mistake and tried to downplay it. If he felt votes didn't matter, he would have responded to my first post with "it doesn't matter now, ill vote you later in the day after the discussion is over", but that isn't what happened.
Adam, this makes sense to me but how do you reconcile that inconsistency from Oats is scummy when Oats is by definition inconsistent? Can you see a case for Oats literally spending this entire game reaction fishing (my term for it, not sure what to actually call it)?
I believe it could be possible, however unlikely, for him to adapt his town style to this game if he's the last remaining scum. That means his agenda will always be his own and not of his teams, so being his town self (random, inconsistent, scummy-looking) would be to his benefit here. The problem with this theory is that he's been doing it the whole game. I can't identify a transition from team mentality to solo-Oats mentality in his filter.
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