• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:05
CET 07:05
KST 15:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT8Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0224LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker15
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game?
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Team League Season 10 PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea Ladder maps - how we can make blizz update them? TvZ is the most complete match up Brood War inspired Terran vs Zerg cinematic – feed Which units you wish saw more use in the game?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread ZeroSpace Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Corso Formazione Insegnanti Yoga What Game makes you happy and stress free?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Search For Meaning in Vi…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2170 users

Catch 22 Mafia - Page 2

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 21:35 GMT
#924
I am still only on page 36 and so far I would like to lynch DarthPunk. Hapa, you said, I should concentrate on GK or ShiaoPi but I haven't seen them posting yet.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 21:42 GMT
#931
Oh ok, so I already read them. I thought they had posted something new I should consider before re-evaluating my reads on them.

If the lynch is between the two of them, I'd rather lynch goodkarma than ShiaoPi. I mentioned earlier that I can see ShiaoPi's posting coming from a town ShiaoPi, while I don't have a townie vibe coming from goodkarma.

But actually I would like to lynch DarthPunk more (if there isn't anything mind-changing in the next ten pages). If I recall correctly I called him out for not actively going for his scumreads before anyone else mentioned it and I haven't seen anything worthy of a townie DarthPunk yet. Just some angry DarthPunk but I think town DarthPunk can do better than that.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 21:57 GMT
#948
Ok, I think I read most of the thread and hopefully didn't miss anything.

Why are we still lynching Yamato? Shouldn't the fact that he has a secret vote on him which no townie claimed make it a scum vote and therefore him even less likely to be scum?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 21:57 GMT
#949
##Vote DarthPunkt
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 21:59 GMT
#953
##Vote DarthPunk
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:02 GMT
#956
Just to be clear marv, you don't want DarthPunk lynched?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:04 GMT
#960
So what exactly do you need hapa to push for? For a GK lynch? Why not try to push others yourself?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:06 GMT
#963
@Sloosh:

Earlier you were suspicious of Obvious' entry post. I asked you what exactly made you suspicious but never saw a reply for that one.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:16 GMT
#974
On June 23 2013 07:08 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 06:42 Ange777 wrote:
Oh ok, so I already read them. I thought they had posted something new I should consider before re-evaluating my reads on them.

If the lynch is between the two of them, I'd rather lynch goodkarma than ShiaoPi. I mentioned earlier that I can see ShiaoPi's posting coming from a town ShiaoPi, while I don't have a townie vibe coming from goodkarma.

But actually I would like to lynch DarthPunk more (if there isn't anything mind-changing in the next ten pages). If I recall correctly I called him out for not actively going for his scumreads before anyone else mentioned it and I haven't seen anything worthy of a townie DarthPunk yet. Just some angry DarthPunk but I think town DarthPunk can do better than that.

I don't recall having any experience with town Shiao, can you clarify what you mean when comparing the two? I have Shiao as a candidate for what looked like an intentionally over-antagonistic approach towards GK. Is that characteristic of a town Shiao, if you know of Shiao's play?


I think I've only obsed/co-hosted a few games where ShiaoPi played so I didn't play with him in a game before. By comparing them I meant that if I had to chose between one of these two players to lynch today I would prefer to lynch goodkarma instead of ShiaoPi. What makes you think his posting style is over-antagonistic? I didn't get that feeling.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:18 GMT
#975
I feel so torn right now. I would rather see DarthPunk being lynched but I would be ok with having to lynch goodkarma.

Can we get an updated vote count please? And someone please explain to me why DarthPunk is considered town.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:24 GMT
#979
On June 23 2013 07:05 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote GoodKarma

I can excuse DP's behavior on the grounds that he's generally busy on weekends. I don't like his play, but I feel it could come from a town DP.

I can't really excuse GK's behavior so far. He's made two bad cases (Oats and Shaio), and isn't pushing either one of them. Compared to Les Mis (where he was actively seeking to consolidate his vote), he just plopped his vote on Shaio and is content to let it rot there.


To be honest, I don't think that DarthPunk's behaviour can be excused. You are saying that GK was not pushing either of his scum reads. But the same can be told about DarthPunk even before the weekend. I believe it was friday when he first called Obvious scum but he didn't even put his own vote on him until someone else (marv if I recall correctly) did it. And even though he was busy he had enough time to post a lot of small posts saying he wants to lynch Obvious. This isn't any real effort. He could have asked some short questions about why people refuse to lynch his best scum read but he does not. So I don't see how you don't accept GK's behaviour but are willing to give DarthPunk a free pass.

+ Show Spoiler +
Our internet connection's back!!! <3 <3 <3
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:35 GMT
#997
@Obvious: I actually see more hostility in goodkarma's posts than ShiaoPi's. Do you have past experiences playing with an antagonistic goodkarma or why do you only suspect ShiaoPi for this style of posting?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:45 GMT
#1007
On June 23 2013 07:39 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 07:35 slOosh wrote:
Ok that's definitely not the direction we want to be heading.

Could you reiterate your hesitations on lynching DP / larger sureness on lynching GK?


Well I explained the GK thing before. He's playing this side-game with Shaio, is not a presence int he town at all, his analysis has been lacking, and fucks off when we're supposed to be consolidating.

As for hesitations for lynching DP, I just feel like GK is a better shot at flipping red at this stage. In addition, it seems like everyone is ok with a DP lynch and that this wagon just "acquiesced" on him. I understand the reasons for voting DP, and I'm very sympathetic to them. Hell Ange's last post on the subject was quite compelling.

Idunno. I'm torn =/


"Everyone" might be ok with a DP lynch but until I came back to the thread ~ 2 hours ago Yamato still had the most votes and would have been lynched. I think the problem is that all the people active right now shortly before the deadline are ok with lynching DP (which actually crossed my mind as well) and this is what is giving you doubts about a DP lynch.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:48 GMT
#1011
On June 23 2013 07:40 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 07:35 Ange777 wrote:
@Obvious: I actually see more hostility in goodkarma's posts than ShiaoPi's. Do you have past experiences playing with an antagonistic goodkarma or why do you only suspect ShiaoPi for this style of posting?

It's not really the style that's got me, on its own. It's the way they've been battling at each other for so long, particularly at the expense of other reads. Neither is here to clarify why it is that they're so seemingly hostile towards one another. I read a few pages of Les Mafia, thought not very much TBH, and GK's attitude feels similar to that game when he was under suspicion there so it could be just a baseline GK-thing. Maybe this isn't a 1:1 relationship but that Shiao is just responding in kind. Like I said, I just wanted to know if they had some kind of history so I'll have to hear it from one of them, I guess. I thought maybe you had some extra knowledge but yours sounds about as limited as my own.


Ok, I understand your problem with them now. I'll try to go through some past games of ShiaoPi and goodkarma tomorrow and see if I can back up my reads.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:49 GMT
#1012
EBWOP:

On June 23 2013 07:40 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 07:35 Ange777 wrote:
@Obvious: I actually see more hostility in goodkarma's posts than ShiaoPi's. Do you have past experiences playing with an antagonistic goodkarma or why do you only suspect ShiaoPi for this style of posting?

It's not really the style that's got me, on its own. It's the way they've been battling at each other for so long, particularly at the expense of other reads. Neither is here to clarify why it is that they're so seemingly hostile towards one another. I read a few pages of Les Mafia, thought not very much TBH, and GK's attitude feels similar to that game when he was under suspicion there so it could be just a baseline GK-thing. Maybe this isn't a 1:1 relationship but that Shiao is just responding in kind. Like I said, I just wanted to know if they had some kind of history so I'll have to hear it from one of them, I guess. I thought maybe you had some extra knowledge but yours sounds about as limited as my own.


Ok, I understand your problem with them now. I'll try to go through some past games of ShiaoPi and goodkarma tomorrow and see if I can back up my reads with past games.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:50 GMT
#1013
On June 23 2013 07:44 slOosh wrote:
I think it is important. I'm asking because I also want to get a better read on you both, and see which one is the better lynch.


Are you implicating that you want to lynch one of hapa or marv next time or are you referring to DarthPunk/goodkarma?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:54 GMT
#1021
DP chose to not contribute by only posting one-liners while goodkarma was just completely missing. While I can see a town motivation for goodkarma (by simply being busy) I can't do that for DP. Therefore my scum read on DP is stronger than my scum read on goodkarma.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:58 GMT
#1027
On June 23 2013 07:55 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 07:54 Ange777 wrote:
DP chose to not contribute by only posting one-liners while goodkarma was just completely missing. While I can see a town motivation for goodkarma (by simply being busy) I can't do that for DP. Therefore my scum read on DP is stronger than my scum read on goodkarma.


DP hasn't only posted oneliners, I think that's a pretty big misrepresentation right there


Sorry, I should have clarified better. I am referring to the second half of day 1. He mostly posted one-liners there.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 23:00 GMT
#1030
On June 23 2013 07:57 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 07:54 slOosh wrote:
Well you know if GK continues to not do anything he will be instantly lynched. There is much more pressure on GK to perform if he survives than if DP survives.


Threatening an AFK with a lynch generally amounts to nothing. I KNOW DP will be here and being on the same timezone, Ill be able to pick his brain thoroughly. I don't know when ill have the chance to do this with GK as his activity can be sparse.


So to you they are both equally scummy and this is the only reason that made you vote goodkarma?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 23:02 GMT
#1035
Yes, scum Cora would pretty much exonerate both of them. But shouldn't we have a flip now? Because it's useless speculating about Cora now without the flip.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
01:00
#69
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft601
StarCraft: Brood War
Purpose 19
Bale 17
Noble 17
scan(afreeca) 15
GoRush 14
Icarus 10
SilentControl 8
Dota 2
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
taco 785
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox407
Other Games
summit1g11508
C9.Mang0603
m0e_tv278
Tasteless224
ToD161
RuFF_SC294
Trikslyr36
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1128
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH67
• practicex 42
• StrangeGG 29
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1297
• Stunt500
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 56m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5h 56m
Replay Cast
17h 56m
PiG Sty Festival
1d 2h
Maru vs Bunny
Classic vs SHIN
The PondCast
1d 3h
KCM Race Survival
1d 3h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 5h
OSC
1d 5h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
[ Show More ]
Epic.LAN
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-League Week 31
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.