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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 21:35 GMT
#924
I am still only on page 36 and so far I would like to lynch DarthPunk. Hapa, you said, I should concentrate on GK or ShiaoPi but I haven't seen them posting yet.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 21:42 GMT
#931
Oh ok, so I already read them. I thought they had posted something new I should consider before re-evaluating my reads on them.

If the lynch is between the two of them, I'd rather lynch goodkarma than ShiaoPi. I mentioned earlier that I can see ShiaoPi's posting coming from a town ShiaoPi, while I don't have a townie vibe coming from goodkarma.

But actually I would like to lynch DarthPunk more (if there isn't anything mind-changing in the next ten pages). If I recall correctly I called him out for not actively going for his scumreads before anyone else mentioned it and I haven't seen anything worthy of a townie DarthPunk yet. Just some angry DarthPunk but I think town DarthPunk can do better than that.
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 21:57 GMT
#948
Ok, I think I read most of the thread and hopefully didn't miss anything.

Why are we still lynching Yamato? Shouldn't the fact that he has a secret vote on him which no townie claimed make it a scum vote and therefore him even less likely to be scum?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 21:57 GMT
#949
##Vote DarthPunkt
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 21:59 GMT
#953
##Vote DarthPunk
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:02 GMT
#956
Just to be clear marv, you don't want DarthPunk lynched?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:04 GMT
#960
So what exactly do you need hapa to push for? For a GK lynch? Why not try to push others yourself?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:06 GMT
#963
@Sloosh:

Earlier you were suspicious of Obvious' entry post. I asked you what exactly made you suspicious but never saw a reply for that one.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:16 GMT
#974
On June 23 2013 07:08 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 06:42 Ange777 wrote:
Oh ok, so I already read them. I thought they had posted something new I should consider before re-evaluating my reads on them.

If the lynch is between the two of them, I'd rather lynch goodkarma than ShiaoPi. I mentioned earlier that I can see ShiaoPi's posting coming from a town ShiaoPi, while I don't have a townie vibe coming from goodkarma.

But actually I would like to lynch DarthPunk more (if there isn't anything mind-changing in the next ten pages). If I recall correctly I called him out for not actively going for his scumreads before anyone else mentioned it and I haven't seen anything worthy of a townie DarthPunk yet. Just some angry DarthPunk but I think town DarthPunk can do better than that.

I don't recall having any experience with town Shiao, can you clarify what you mean when comparing the two? I have Shiao as a candidate for what looked like an intentionally over-antagonistic approach towards GK. Is that characteristic of a town Shiao, if you know of Shiao's play?


I think I've only obsed/co-hosted a few games where ShiaoPi played so I didn't play with him in a game before. By comparing them I meant that if I had to chose between one of these two players to lynch today I would prefer to lynch goodkarma instead of ShiaoPi. What makes you think his posting style is over-antagonistic? I didn't get that feeling.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:18 GMT
#975
I feel so torn right now. I would rather see DarthPunk being lynched but I would be ok with having to lynch goodkarma.

Can we get an updated vote count please? And someone please explain to me why DarthPunk is considered town.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:24 GMT
#979
On June 23 2013 07:05 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote GoodKarma

I can excuse DP's behavior on the grounds that he's generally busy on weekends. I don't like his play, but I feel it could come from a town DP.

I can't really excuse GK's behavior so far. He's made two bad cases (Oats and Shaio), and isn't pushing either one of them. Compared to Les Mis (where he was actively seeking to consolidate his vote), he just plopped his vote on Shaio and is content to let it rot there.


To be honest, I don't think that DarthPunk's behaviour can be excused. You are saying that GK was not pushing either of his scum reads. But the same can be told about DarthPunk even before the weekend. I believe it was friday when he first called Obvious scum but he didn't even put his own vote on him until someone else (marv if I recall correctly) did it. And even though he was busy he had enough time to post a lot of small posts saying he wants to lynch Obvious. This isn't any real effort. He could have asked some short questions about why people refuse to lynch his best scum read but he does not. So I don't see how you don't accept GK's behaviour but are willing to give DarthPunk a free pass.

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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:35 GMT
#997
@Obvious: I actually see more hostility in goodkarma's posts than ShiaoPi's. Do you have past experiences playing with an antagonistic goodkarma or why do you only suspect ShiaoPi for this style of posting?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:45 GMT
#1007
On June 23 2013 07:39 Hapahauli wrote:
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On June 23 2013 07:35 slOosh wrote:
Ok that's definitely not the direction we want to be heading.

Could you reiterate your hesitations on lynching DP / larger sureness on lynching GK?


Well I explained the GK thing before. He's playing this side-game with Shaio, is not a presence int he town at all, his analysis has been lacking, and fucks off when we're supposed to be consolidating.

As for hesitations for lynching DP, I just feel like GK is a better shot at flipping red at this stage. In addition, it seems like everyone is ok with a DP lynch and that this wagon just "acquiesced" on him. I understand the reasons for voting DP, and I'm very sympathetic to them. Hell Ange's last post on the subject was quite compelling.

Idunno. I'm torn =/


"Everyone" might be ok with a DP lynch but until I came back to the thread ~ 2 hours ago Yamato still had the most votes and would have been lynched. I think the problem is that all the people active right now shortly before the deadline are ok with lynching DP (which actually crossed my mind as well) and this is what is giving you doubts about a DP lynch.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:48 GMT
#1011
On June 23 2013 07:40 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 07:35 Ange777 wrote:
@Obvious: I actually see more hostility in goodkarma's posts than ShiaoPi's. Do you have past experiences playing with an antagonistic goodkarma or why do you only suspect ShiaoPi for this style of posting?

It's not really the style that's got me, on its own. It's the way they've been battling at each other for so long, particularly at the expense of other reads. Neither is here to clarify why it is that they're so seemingly hostile towards one another. I read a few pages of Les Mafia, thought not very much TBH, and GK's attitude feels similar to that game when he was under suspicion there so it could be just a baseline GK-thing. Maybe this isn't a 1:1 relationship but that Shiao is just responding in kind. Like I said, I just wanted to know if they had some kind of history so I'll have to hear it from one of them, I guess. I thought maybe you had some extra knowledge but yours sounds about as limited as my own.


Ok, I understand your problem with them now. I'll try to go through some past games of ShiaoPi and goodkarma tomorrow and see if I can back up my reads.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:49 GMT
#1012
EBWOP:

On June 23 2013 07:40 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 07:35 Ange777 wrote:
@Obvious: I actually see more hostility in goodkarma's posts than ShiaoPi's. Do you have past experiences playing with an antagonistic goodkarma or why do you only suspect ShiaoPi for this style of posting?

It's not really the style that's got me, on its own. It's the way they've been battling at each other for so long, particularly at the expense of other reads. Neither is here to clarify why it is that they're so seemingly hostile towards one another. I read a few pages of Les Mafia, thought not very much TBH, and GK's attitude feels similar to that game when he was under suspicion there so it could be just a baseline GK-thing. Maybe this isn't a 1:1 relationship but that Shiao is just responding in kind. Like I said, I just wanted to know if they had some kind of history so I'll have to hear it from one of them, I guess. I thought maybe you had some extra knowledge but yours sounds about as limited as my own.


Ok, I understand your problem with them now. I'll try to go through some past games of ShiaoPi and goodkarma tomorrow and see if I can back up my reads with past games.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:50 GMT
#1013
On June 23 2013 07:44 slOosh wrote:
I think it is important. I'm asking because I also want to get a better read on you both, and see which one is the better lynch.


Are you implicating that you want to lynch one of hapa or marv next time or are you referring to DarthPunk/goodkarma?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:54 GMT
#1021
DP chose to not contribute by only posting one-liners while goodkarma was just completely missing. While I can see a town motivation for goodkarma (by simply being busy) I can't do that for DP. Therefore my scum read on DP is stronger than my scum read on goodkarma.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 22:58 GMT
#1027
On June 23 2013 07:55 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 07:54 Ange777 wrote:
DP chose to not contribute by only posting one-liners while goodkarma was just completely missing. While I can see a town motivation for goodkarma (by simply being busy) I can't do that for DP. Therefore my scum read on DP is stronger than my scum read on goodkarma.


DP hasn't only posted oneliners, I think that's a pretty big misrepresentation right there


Sorry, I should have clarified better. I am referring to the second half of day 1. He mostly posted one-liners there.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 23:00 GMT
#1030
On June 23 2013 07:57 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 07:54 slOosh wrote:
Well you know if GK continues to not do anything he will be instantly lynched. There is much more pressure on GK to perform if he survives than if DP survives.


Threatening an AFK with a lynch generally amounts to nothing. I KNOW DP will be here and being on the same timezone, Ill be able to pick his brain thoroughly. I don't know when ill have the chance to do this with GK as his activity can be sparse.


So to you they are both equally scummy and this is the only reason that made you vote goodkarma?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 23:02 GMT
#1035
Yes, scum Cora would pretty much exonerate both of them. But shouldn't we have a flip now? Because it's useless speculating about Cora now without the flip.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
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