On June 25 2013 11:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Because closed setup.

Gk martyred. I rather kill adam cause I think he has a higher chance of being scum. He scumclaimed MORE.

So do you have exact questions?

So did GK scumclaim or not? Yes or no?

Because first he did, then he didn't and now he somewhat did?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 02:18 GMT

#1727

No Oats isn't scum.

This is so absurdly inconsistent and spazzy that it has to be town.

Going to look through Shiao/Adam one more time.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 02:19 GMT

#1729

On June 25 2013 11:18 Oatsmaster wrote:

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I dont agree with the genuine town frustration part.
I think its a carefully crafted ragequit post.

The guy said he was quitting mafia for good. Using that argument as scum is a realllll dick move, and something I just don't see scum having the balls/heart to pull off.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 02:25 GMT

#1733

On June 25 2013 11:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
not really reading thoriughly but hapa do you remember lvii?
dp did the same thing"i quit mafia forever"
currently i dont buy gk martying like this.

Oh did he really do that?

huh.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 02:27 GMT

#1735

On June 25 2013 11:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
not really reading thoriughly but hapa do you remember lvii?
dp did the same thing"i quit mafia forever"
currently i dont buy gk martying like this.

Can you link me that post by DP btw?

But also, I can't really see scum-GK being this... emotionally manipulative, you know?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 03:37 GMT

#1746

On June 25 2013 12:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
I looked through LVII, didnt see a quit post.

Neither did I, nor do I think DP and GK are similar enough players to where the existence of such a post actually matters.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 03:54 GMT

#1749

Screaming "lynch lynch lynch" at another player wont' do much to help the situation here.

I have a project for the both of you - can you go over Shiao's behavior and give me a more definitive opinion on him?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 05:15 GMT

#1764

On June 25 2013 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote:

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i like how you think ill die if you flip town.

I'm guessing you're talking about this Coag?

I'm thinking 'bout this one too.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 05:17 GMT

#1767

On June 25 2013 14:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
hapa why do you ask us both about shiao and do nothing after?

I need to spend less time posting and more time reading.

I'm not in a position to be lynched right now. So I want to hear people with suspicion on them generate content.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 18:21 GMT

#1771

Shiao? Where were you for the last half a day?

I've heard very little from you since the GK clusterfuck.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 18:52 GMT

#1772

Anyway, I've read through Oats' filter several times right now, and I really don't think he's scum.

His play is so absurdly attention-whorey and spazzy, which lines up with his town games very well. All his posts reek of paranoia, and him being "unreasonable" is completely par with his town games.

@ Coag

I don't know what scum-slip you found, but it would have to be really, absurdly compelling to go agains the behavior tells in Oats' filter.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 19:12 GMT

#1774

On June 26 2013 04:09 Coagulation wrote:
my votes on oats and thats where its stayin.

if you guys want to lynch town feel free I will have no part in it.

Can you explain the scumslip to me? I haven't found anything compelling.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 19:35 GMT

#1775

Coaaaaaaaag

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 19:51 GMT

#1779

My feeling is Shiao as well.

Yes he had that burst of "gahh I'm lost" posting, but he seems more interested in that than actaully finding mafia.

There are two things that are wierding me out about his filter right now:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417453&currentpage=78#1542
This post, in which he expresses doubts about GoodKarma yet wants to trade with him anyway. Trading is something you do when you're 100% convinced the other person is scum, and not as a "eh I'm not sure" move.

...And this...

On June 25 2013 11:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
not really reading thoriughly but hapa do you remember lvii?
dp did the same thing"i quit mafia forever"
currently i dont buy gk martying like this.

Shiao's a smart guy, so him not seeing eye-to-eye with us on the GK issue is a bit alarming. I'd expect this from Oats, but not from Shiao.

I also really don't understand why his switch flipped all of a sudden when GK made his JK claim:

On June 25 2013 03:58 ShiaoPi wrote:
what the fuck jk claim and you go fuck off again? I mean like there is nothing you are giving us. No reasons motivations or thouhts on wht jailing yamato. fuck my earlier doubts on gk. This is scumgk all over
##Vote:Goodkarma

Will probably be around for a while as I battle insomnia but I really hope I am asleep soon, got to wake up early tmr...

If anything, that claim should make you doubt his allignment, and not immediately remove all doubts about his allignment.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 20:07 GMT

#1780

##Vote ShiaoPi

Last scum...
I don't think it's Oats. It's definitely not GK.

It might be Adam, but his posting just sounds so terrible in his scum-games, and he seems interested in figuring out the game right now. Even if he's barking up the wrong tree with Oats, his suspicions are basically what happens when someone plays with Oats the first time.

I think it's Shiao. His recent push on GK (in spite of the towniest martyr ever) is troublesome. Also his transition from "fuck me I'm lost I guess I'll vote GK cause he's my only possible lead" to -----> OMG GK claimed JK he scumscum doesn't strike me as organic.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 20:53 GMT

#1784

slOosh, Cora, Coag, Shaio

Where'd you guys run off to?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 21:03 GMT

#1786

On June 26 2013 06:00 cDgCorazon wrote:

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My vote isn't going to change.

Why isn't it changing again?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 21:05 GMT

#1788

On June 26 2013 06:04 cDgCorazon wrote:

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Because I don't believe GK. A martyr post isn't alignment indicative.

Normal martyr posts... no.

A martyr post saying you're quitting TL Mafia... yes.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 21:08 GMT

#1790

On June 26 2013 06:07 cDgCorazon wrote:

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Why would he do that? He literally just played a game as scum where he dominated and had a flawless victory. I don't think we've hammered or flamed him to a point where he wants to quit. He's just being dramatic and emotional. That's not alignment indicative.

Well more because he's been mislynched in his past few town-games. Plus in his scum-games, he's never dramatic or emotional. He's always really, really level headed and calm.

Also GK is much more known as a town player than a scum player.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

June 25 2013 21:15 GMT

#1792

On June 26 2013 06:12 cDgCorazon wrote:

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These aren't really good reasons to call him town based off of one post. He's played a scummy game and now he's town to you because he writes one emotional post saying he's going to quit.

My votes are staying right where they are.

I changed my read because it's an absurdly townie post, along with several other vets in this game.

Just understand that you're a double-voter and you'll have a lot of sway over who flips in the next few days. If we lynch GK and he flips JK, no more hipster voting... mmkay?