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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 23 2013 20:06 GMT
#821
On June 24 2013 04:49 s0Lstice wrote:
what do you think of Austin, xatalos


I haven't put too much attention on him, but he's a heavy lurker without any actual impact on the game so far. That's very suspicious compared to my memory of him being a very clear town (as town) when we last played together a long time ago. Now he's everything but clear town. Certainly most suspicious of the lurkers in this game, and would lynch him rather than most other players, but not rather than you or WOS. Not exactly sure where I'd put Kurumi atm.

(Btw you should refrain from dodging a question for once now that I answered you clearly, don't you think.)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
June 23 2013 20:06 GMT
#822
ok so BC didn't actually claim to be RB'd, just that his shot was refunded. Didn't see that.

Ah goddamnit.
+ Show Spoiler [Macro meme] +

[image loading]


I still hold my belief that BC is town and that was my main reasoning to call Sk8r mafia.

I don't know who to vote for at this point. I'd love to see others who disappeared(acrofales where are you)

Dandel, what was the reasoning to lynch s0lstice again? He made a post that I liked concerning austin, altho it could be just pressuring an afk player, or austin could be just fine with whatever is going on.
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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 23 2013 20:08 GMT
#823
Yeah no sk8 lynch please
This thing feels so so bad if he's scum. Like...if he's scum he'd be deliberately lying about the "fake shot" thing, putting lots of attention to him. And it doesn't feel like a "divertion" tactic either, mostly because it's D1 (scum don't give a shit about D1) and because it doesn't feel that way
....yeah he's not scum.

Right now it's either Zepphird or solstice for me, and I can't really decide. I'm on page 35 and I think a solstice lynch may be better.
Hmm, damn I don't have much time to choose :/
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 23 2013 20:08 GMT
#824
On June 24 2013 05:06 Zephirdd wrote:
ok so BC didn't actually claim to be RB'd, just that his shot was refunded. Didn't see that.

Ah goddamnit.
+ Show Spoiler [Macro meme] +

[image loading]


I still hold my belief that BC is town and that was my main reasoning to call Sk8r mafia.

I don't know who to vote for at this point. I'd love to see others who disappeared(acrofales where are you)

Dandel, what was the reasoning to lynch s0lstice again? He made a post that I liked concerning austin, altho it could be just pressuring an afk player, or austin could be just fine with whatever is going on.


Do you still need that question answered?
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
June 23 2013 20:08 GMT
#825
On June 24 2013 05:06 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 04:49 s0Lstice wrote:
what do you think of Austin, xatalos


I haven't put too much attention on him, but he's a heavy lurker without any actual impact on the game so far. That's very suspicious compared to my memory of him being a very clear town (as town) when we last played together a long time ago. Now he's everything but clear town. Certainly most suspicious of the lurkers in this game, and would lynch him rather than most other players, but not rather than you or WOS. Not exactly sure where I'd put Kurumi atm.

(Btw you should refrain from dodging a question for once now that I answered you clearly, don't you think.)


how do you feel about his actions surrounding this lynch?
ATOBTTR
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
June 23 2013 20:08 GMT
#826
On June 24 2013 05:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Zeph why did you activate what you activated and who do you plan on activing?


I did it to find out who made my role. I purposefully posted it wrongly at first.
I prefer to not disclose who I plan to activate my ability on
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 20:09 GMT
#827
On June 24 2013 05:08 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 05:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Zeph why did you activate what you activated and who do you plan on activing?


I did it to find out who made my role. I purposefully posted it wrongly at first.
I prefer to not disclose who I plan to activate my ability on

Yeah I don't mind you knowing but you activated it properly afterwards, so you gotta have a reason for that.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 23 2013 20:10 GMT
#828
You're all dumb, I knew sk8 was town since yesterday.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 23 2013 20:10 GMT
#829
On June 24 2013 05:06 Zephirdd wrote:
ok so BC didn't actually claim to be RB'd, just that his shot was refunded. Didn't see that.

Ah goddamnit.
+ Show Spoiler [Macro meme] +

[image loading]


I still hold my belief that BC is town and that was my main reasoning to call Sk8r mafia.

I don't know who to vote for at this point. I'd love to see others who disappeared(acrofales where are you)

Dandel, what was the reasoning to lynch s0lstice again? He made a post that I liked concerning austin, altho it could be just pressuring an afk player, or austin could be just fine with whatever is going on.


Ok, that's a good point about the shot. Overall this post makes you feel like a worse lynch than before IMO. A good summary on s0Lstice can be had from these questions (which he hasn't still answered so far btw):

On June 24 2013 01:35 Xatalos wrote:
s0Lstice...

1) Why haven't you basically mentioned me at all (except dodging the question once when asked directly) after initially throwing dirt on me?

2) Why haven't you responded to my reply to your soft accusation?

3) Why have you pretty much ignored/dodged Gonzaw´s case on you (except downplaying it once in a vague manner) and then conveniently forgotten it?

4) Why did you suddenly bandwagon Zephirdd, an "easy" lurker lynch, despite not even mentioning him before this?

All this makes me feel like you don't even care who gets lynched. Just throw some dirt around, then forget it, then avoid attention, and then jump on an easy bandwagon when the opportunity arises. Frankly, your filter reeks red.

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 23 2013 20:10 GMT
#830
I'll be back in 15.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
June 23 2013 20:10 GMT
#831
On June 24 2013 05:09 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 05:08 Zephirdd wrote:
On June 24 2013 05:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Zeph why did you activate what you activated and who do you plan on activing?


I did it to find out who made my role. I purposefully posted it wrongly at first.
I prefer to not disclose who I plan to activate my ability on

Yeah I don't mind you knowing but you activated it properly afterwards, so you gotta have a reason for that.


I do think the activated part of the role has its best use on night 1 when there are more people around. That's why.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 23 2013 20:11 GMT
#832
What time is the lynch supposed to be?
I tried my damn hardest to get back here for consolidation and it's going to be a no lynch?
Why aren't we voting solstice again?
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 20:11 GMT
#833
On June 24 2013 05:10 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 05:09 Dandel Ion wrote:
On June 24 2013 05:08 Zephirdd wrote:
On June 24 2013 05:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Zeph why did you activate what you activated and who do you plan on activing?


I did it to find out who made my role. I purposefully posted it wrongly at first.
I prefer to not disclose who I plan to activate my ability on

Yeah I don't mind you knowing but you activated it properly afterwards, so you gotta have a reason for that.


I do think the activated part of the role has its best use on night 1 when there are more people around. That's why.

you have someone you are sure enough to active instead of passive active, basically.

true or not
A backwards poet writes inverse.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
June 23 2013 20:12 GMT
#834
WoS, you voted me on a meta argument based on one game.

mind bottling, you can't be serious right now
ATOBTTR
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 20:13 GMT
#835
or i guess i see the other application. oh well
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 23 2013 20:13 GMT
#836
Gonzaw's case is here:


On June 23 2013 09:57 gonzaw wrote:
Welp, now I want to kill Zepphird for that post of his.

Goddamit, I'll just finish reading and make sense of it later.

Regarding stuff that makes Zepphirds post scummy:
(reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738&currentpage=25#487 )

It's entirely possible (maybe likely) that BC is town.
I get the feeling that if that's so, then some if not most of scum will just come out and flat out say "BC is town" in their posts.
Why? Goes with the flow (general consensus is both confusion about BC's alignment/actions but thinking he's stupid town as well), fake contributions, etc.

Zepphird made that kind of post, and I think kita and others made that kind of post as well

That kind of post bothers me.

I'm not too interested in lynching geript based on that. It'd be way easier for scum geript to do the same thing and sweep any pressure off him (as he's having now)

Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 09:23 s0Lstice wrote:
gonzaw,

my Xata and SnB reads have your panties in a bunch? nothing has changed, suspicions are definitely still there. The only thing of note with my scumreads that has happened between then and now is Xata's response, and I'm still considering it. I said I will update, and I will, but not before I'm ready.


You just made a "case" against 2 dudes and then conveniently ignored it until I asked you about them (you were supposed to...you know...either vote them, ask people for opinions, etc)

Anyways, I finished reading so I'll just post my thoughts about you now, and reread and shit later:


Here's the thing solstice.
You started "fine" I'd say. You started joking, jumped to the lovetap thing. Normal early-game-derp. Not super townie, but well you weren't scummy or anything.
You made sense with some comments you made, and I had similar thoughts about you Acro had (that you were making comments that seemingly reflected that of his own, etc)
But then came this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738&currentpage=18#349

Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 03:43 s0Lstice wrote:
Xatalos-

On June 22 2013 19:31 Xatalos wrote:
On June 22 2013 18:09 Kurumi wrote:
On June 22 2013 17:40 Xatalos wrote:
On June 22 2013 14:56 Kurumi wrote:
For a moment I thought I was still drunk after yesterday but this thread actually makes no sense.
No trolling for me I guess.

We're running the classic lynch, so the most votes person dies?


LOL. This post *would* be scummy if it showed any actual effort to be safe from lynching. Now, it seems more like a clueless town post. On the other hand, might be 100% clueless Mafia...

Take your stance, boy. I've been around here for quite some time.
Also, putting my vote on Dandel for creating a terrible, spammy atmosphere and not trying to change that.


Hm yeah, looking at your history, I doubt that you would start like that as Mafia. Too effortless and careless IMO. But really, voting for Dandel Ion because of spam? Granted it's not impossible that he's Mafia and spamming to "ruin the atmosphere".. I think it's safe to say that's not a typical way to play scum, especially this actively. And do you even think he's Mafia or just voting because he annoys you?


To what history are you referring? Kurumi has never started out as 'effortless and careless' as mafia?

I'm actually fairly suspicious of you. Since your entrance into the thread, you've posted some very wordy entries that don't really say much of anything, and contain a few 'wtf' moments, like:

On June 22 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote:
On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:18 Acrofales wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:06 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote:
I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town!

Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector.


Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly.

So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself?


lol it doesn't limit who the scum can kill. Scum can kill whoever they want, but with your plan, they're not shooting blind. I don't even understand how your plan makes sense. Why can't we server as lie detectors after the claim, without all sharing who we made the role for?

They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is).

But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role)


Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well.

Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power?


Who could possibly know the answer to the bolded other than skater guy? Why are you even asking this? Also your input on the claim discussion was wholly unnecessary, as the side you were arguing for was already well represented.

S&B-

This is ridiculous

On June 22 2013 20:34 strongandbig wrote:
Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing.

I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi.


Cool story, but the town side of that story seems just as likely. I agree with Acro that this is a weak FoS.

Man, so many lurky folks. Kurumi is not reading the thread:

On June 23 2013 01:02 Kurumi wrote:
On June 22 2013 21:23 Acrofales wrote:
In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form.

Yadda yadda
What could I do couple of hours into the game? Voted the most malicious player, remarked on bad atmosphere and moved on.
I am not going to post stuff that makes no sense just to look like I do stuff, I do stuff because I do stuff, not because I want to look like I do stuff.
Why did you claim who you made role for? You know that we are likely to have Assassin-type role, right?

On June 22 2013 20:34 strongandbig wrote:
Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing.

I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi.


Easiest explanation is: he is playing around or has a role revolving around voting people. Keep that somewhere when we have more evidence pointing at sk8r (if any).

For some reason geript taunts me with his posts so I am not going to quote him ever, sorry guys.


This after Acro explained tirelessly why he likes the claim idea. I could kill Kurumi and feel ok about it.

Skater guy-

You really need to clear up your thoughts on BC more. Why is BC scum? Like, I think I know what you are thinking...but these whole 'I voted to gauge reactions' and 'normal people would see my vote as just trolling' things muddy the waters a lot.

BC-

Looking better with his recent posts. Back to null for me.

That's me being caught up. Gonna go back and dig more to refresh my scum reads.


This striked me as a "antagonist scum" kind of post.
It's not the aggressiveness itself, but also the contrast.

Like, it's odd to me you'd go from this:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 08:17 s0Lstice wrote:
Alright then. I like that you are in here posting comfortably. Doesn't mean a ton since you aren't a true newbie, but its a start.



Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 11:25 s0Lstice wrote:
I changed my mind

##Lovetap xxSK8rGUy277xx

Are you related to the skating gentleman in the avril lavigne song?


Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 12:19 s0Lstice wrote:
slightly town. like I said earlier he seems really comfy in thread for his first game on TL. the lovetap thing is drawing a lot of attention to him, and he doesn't seem to give a fuck.

it's not much, but its a lil something


...to stuff like "cool I can kill Kurumi and be cool with it" or stuff like that.

There's also the fact that your sk8/BC comments seem like filler

Also your Xatalos thing makes very very little sense:
Show nested quote +
I'm actually fairly suspicious of you. Since your entrance into the thread, you've posted some very wordy entries that don't really say much of anything, and contain a few 'wtf' moments, like:

On June 22 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote:
On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:18 Acrofales wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:06 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote:
I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town!

Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector.


Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly.

So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself?


lol it doesn't limit who the scum can kill. Scum can kill whoever they want, but with your plan, they're not shooting blind. I don't even understand how your plan makes sense. Why can't we server as lie detectors after the claim, without all sharing who we made the role for?

They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is).

But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role)


Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well.

Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power?


Who could possibly know the answer to the bolded other than skater guy? Why are you even asking this? Also your input on the claim discussion was wholly unnecessary, as the side you were arguing for was already well represented.


I can't understand how Xata's question can make you suspicious of him like you make it out to be.
How about this for a response:
1)Xata was DIRECTLY asking sk8 if his lovetap is a joke or serious
2)Xata wanted other people to chime in on that thing to make more sense of it

Your "case" doesn't convince me at all, and it doesn't convince me YOU are convinced he's scum (or you are suspicious of him) either.

After that you make "usual" posts, but sparse in between.
Different than WOS's interaction with people and activity in discussions, I just see you make ocassional posts arguing with WOS, or making some comments about some stuff other people said, etc.

And you ignore your own FoS on Xata and S&B, in the sense that it seems you don't care about it.
You ask nobody what they think of Xata/S&B. You make no effort whatsoever to either:
-Get them lynched
-Convince people they are scum/suspicious
-Get more thoughts about them to get better reads on people or drive discussion forward
-Get thoughts about them to convince yourself if they are scum or you are looking at the wrong direction

Instead of doing stuff like that, I see you have a pointless discussion about BC's meta, and you just appear to be in the "sidelines" of the BC discussion, appearing that you are contributing about it, but I just don't get the feeling you actually are.

That's what makes me suspicious of you.

....meh, I'll let you guys post your thoughts and shit, I'll take a closer look at Zepphird, and maybe reread Xata (I thought he was fairly town before he arrived here, another reason I didn't really understand solstice's FoS on him....nor WOS's either to be honest).

Again, tell me if I'm wrong with my approach to the Xata stuff. I thought he seemed fairly townie, for his initial "get ball rolling" case on WOS (I certainly got that feeling from it at least), his continued activity, his behaviour, etc.

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
June 23 2013 20:13 GMT
#837
also, xatalos, I answered you. you just didn't like it.
ATOBTTR
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
June 23 2013 20:14 GMT
#838
On June 24 2013 05:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 05:10 Zephirdd wrote:
On June 24 2013 05:09 Dandel Ion wrote:
On June 24 2013 05:08 Zephirdd wrote:
On June 24 2013 05:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Zeph why did you activate what you activated and who do you plan on activing?


I did it to find out who made my role. I purposefully posted it wrongly at first.
I prefer to not disclose who I plan to activate my ability on

Yeah I don't mind you knowing but you activated it properly afterwards, so you gotta have a reason for that.


I do think the activated part of the role has its best use on night 1 when there are more people around. That's why.

you have someone you are sure enough to active instead of passive active, basically.

true or not


no, I don't have someone who I am sure enough; I intend to use it to make stuff clearer.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 20:14 GMT
#839
On June 24 2013 05:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
You're all dumb, I knew sk8 was town since yesterday.

You use meta on a guy with no scum games. ggnore
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 23 2013 20:15 GMT
#840
So how y'all feeling about switching to snb?

Instead of no-lynching, we might as well save us the vig shot.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
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