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On June 24 2013 10:17 gonzaw wrote:But I had no say in that scumteam  I tried my best not to kill you ;_; ...the silver lining is that we won at least lol Well, not really trying to "lynch" you, but if I had to decide in the span of 2 minutes which player in the game to lynch, also taking into account town sentiment...then yeah you were a good choice. ....hmm....considering snb wasn't replaced someone could vig him tonight or something. I have been part of "lynch someone so we did something" trains, but never from this side.
It's a ... much different feeling, but I know not all the votes are for that.
Especially the "austin usually x, hasn't x this game, therefore scum" votes that I think were there. Need to reread, but that's one thing I'm digging into. More worried about people with half-assed reasons like that than people just jumping on the lynch-for-info-mobile.
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I mean, it doesn't matter if you believe it or not, tbh. I'm taking actions, and you can poll everyone to see if anyone made a role that does x. Nobody will speak up, or if someone does, hooray! free mafia.
Besides, I don't think anyone else would be so dumb as to create some of this stuff.
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On June 24 2013 10:28 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, take your time (well...at least take LESS time than you did last cycle >_> )
So, thoughts on Xfire? That one I can actually do tonight, at least out of context. Rest needs to wait until tomorrow.
Colorful entry into game. Multicolor turtle tap --> ## pants. Unless either of those DID anything, it shows a fun-having, easy-going crossfire.
Townie on skates mcgee. BUT FOR MUSHY MUSHY MUSHINESS. I think sk8 is town. Looking at the way he's acted before and after the shot, what he said he was trying to accomplish, how he is acting now, etc, I don't see that coming from a scum player. BOO. BOO ON THIS HARD. I think skates mcgee is town, because of...what he did in the past and the present. I won't specify ANYTHING at all. BOO.
If there were a key piece of skates's role that makes crossfire certain he's town, then crossfire could say later when it comes out he made the role that skates likely town b/c of role. He responds to Zeph noting that role =/= alignment here by saying Ok. I will keep that in mind Zeph, but knowing what his role is and how he has acted and what he has done makes me think he is town. I will look at him again if I need to later, but not now.
Still slightly butt. It's a lot of words that say...I don't know what. He will keep Zephir's comments in mind, indicating that Skates role is not 100% to show alignment, but is pretty sure of townieness based on (1) what his role is; (2) how he's acted; (3) what he has done. That doesn't really say anything, and not just because Crossfire is being coy about the role he created. If it were just role-talk, it could be coy, but Crossfire isn't really giving any detail about his read PERIOD. Before, it was past and present actions the end.
Jumps on me to prevent no-lynch. Null for me.
Reads doc role, messes up the mason bit.
Without any context, just checking his filter, doesn't pass the smell test. The skater read, which is what a lot of cross's posts concern, is smoke and mirrors at this point. I know pre-game excitement into quiet time can sometimes be a bad sign, but...I don't think the colors/pants --> not much really works the same way. Goofy into serious, but the beginning of this game was slightly goofy and it's gotten more serious, so that's not really a tell. Still, based on the justification that isn't a justification for his Crossfire read, I'm leaning scum.
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Kurumi, Kurumi, your filter's a mess
You argue with Dandel but that dude wears a dress
So focused on skater that you don't look around
But if skate's being truthful then you've not made a sound
Ugh, poem/lyric posts not nearly as easy as they look. But, if interested, could you respond to a couple questions? If BC's shot went through yesterday, and skater flipped scum, would that seriously implicate anyone else as scum to you? Same thing for shot going through and him flipping town. I see a lot of talk about skater himself, why you think he's lying or why you're worried about his lovetaps, but it doesn't really go anywhere. Even if it's in fun cryptic messages, care to comment about non-skaters?
As far as my gifts are concerned, they aren't always necessarily happy but tonight's was. Would be no fun if I made a role bringing only happy or sad gifts.
Then, just for posterity in case I get got, this is probably nothing but was an interesting bit of your filter:On June 24 2013 05:31 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 05:30 gonzaw wrote:
SKAITER, ACRO, KURUMI. WHAT ARE YOU DOING I am voting the guy I believe is scum the most. Acro is sleeping, left both his votes on the guy he believes is scum the most.Sk8ter is scum.
Acro left thread a couple hours earlier after posting:On June 24 2013 02:47 Acrofales wrote: STUFF BUT ALSO
And, because I am heading out, I am putting my secret vote on him as well. Yes, I have a secret vote. And no, I see no point in keeping that secret. He doesn't say he's sleeping. It was early afternoon in Brazil so you can't just assume that based on timezone. He had announced his doublevote, but it kind of just sat there and nobody freaked out about it or commented much on it. The post that he's sleeping and casual "both his votes" makes me worried. I'd really like answers to skater questions, or just...more cryptic posts. Something to go on that isn't arguing with DI or talking about skater.
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THIS POST GOT WAY TOO BIG AND IT MIGHT BE CONFUSING TOWARDS THE END
acro, this is some butt right here.
On June 24 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote:
I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good.
Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er.
Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too.
On June 24 2013 12:25 Acrofales wrote:
austin completely missing stuff like that is not making me any more comfortable about him.
For one, On June 24 2013 10:41 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 10:28 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, take your time (well...at least take LESS time than you did last cycle >_> )
So, thoughts on Xfire? That one I can actually do tonight, at least out of context. Rest needs to wait until tomorrow. ... Without any context, just checking his filter, doesn't pass the smell test. ... Maybe that was unclear, but no context meant I was just re-filtering and not going through to really dig into when votes came in, when he posted, where votes moved.
Regardless of that, here's the main reason this post is butt.
Crossfire's posts about skater don't stop the lynch.
Look at his posts - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sorry that I've been away so long. (I did say pregame that I wouldn't have much time, but I didn't think it would be this bad T_T) I just finished catching up on what has happened. I think sk8 is town. Looking at the way he's acted before and after the shot, what he said he was trying to accomplish, how he is acting now, etc, I don't see that coming from a scum player. In solidarity with him, I will ##Lovetap: xxSK8rGUy277xx
I will be around for questions, but right now, I will be rereading the thread and looking at filters to see who I want to lynch. As I noted in my other post, this is air. "Look at how he acted and is acting now, I don't see that coming from scum" is NOT much of a defense. Not a single person who wanted to lynch skater at this point reads that and changes his vote. On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia. On June 24 2013 04:53 Crossfire99 wrote:
Stop asking how sk8r's role works. I created it and know how it works and know how he survived. The only reason anyone else from this point would need to know how his role works is if they're scum. If you're town, you don't need to know how he survived, all you should care about is that he is alive. Leave it alone. On June 24 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote:Note: I made my last post before I saw this post by Zeph. Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:53 Zephirdd wrote:
There's no way to get someone to 9 votes now. And Sk8r keeps being useless. Just because we are "tunneling" you doesnt mean you cant look at other players and hunt them. You don't have a limited amount of energy and defending takes little time, UNLESS you are thinking hard every word you are putting out, discussing your posts with teammates etc. Come on, hunt hunt hunt.
Xfire, just because you know his role doesnt mean he is town. That's how I won last game, Kurumi made my role and trusted me for that. Also, answer this: does his role RB the attacker, or does it just protect him? Does he have to activate his role or is it automatic? This is important because BC claimed to be roleblocked. Ok. I will keep that in mind Zeph, but knowing what his role is and how he has acted and what he has done makes me think he is town. I will look at him again if I need to later, but not now. As for his actual role I will not say if it needs to be activated or not. I will say that unless changes were made to the role (which is possible and says so in the OP), I don't know how BC was roleblocked. Crossfire's biggest contribution was "I made skater's role, I know how he survived." ALL that crossfire addresses is that skater has some way of surviving a shot. But we know from his response to zeph that he doesn't actually KNOW skater is town because of the role/usage, just THINKS so, again based on air. There is nothing in there that should convince anyone who wanted to lynch skater for anything other than "BC's shot didn't go off" not to lynch skater. It's not a defense. Nobody, from what I recall, wanted to lynch skater because he survived the shot, which is really all crossfire addresses with substance. And we still don't know what happened - RB? BC lying? skater lying? Nobody lying and something else at work? etc. etc.
While it's clear that crossfire thinks skater is town from those posts, it's (1) not clear/substantiated if you remove the role; and (2) he's not even sure about the role --> town, based on his response to zephir.
Second, I don't read the pages that follow those posts as people moving votes because crossfire has convinced them that skater is town. Skater has 7 votes at 4:33 TL time. Crossfire makes his posts.
First to unvote is Zephir, who voted based on acro's case and skater not trying to scum hunt thinking he'd die - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 03:32 Zephirdd wrote:Holy shit. Did you really ask that? If you're about to die, we will get information out of you with a confirmed alignment. That means that, if you die, we know that all interactions concerning you - specially scum hunting - have a confirmed mindset behind it. In fact, NOT scumhunting at any point is anti-town. Why did anyone roleblock BC ffs. I'm switching to sk8rboy because I like acros' case and because of the above post. On June 24 2013 05:06 Zephirdd wrote:ok so BC didn't actually claim to be RB'd, just that his shot was refunded. Didn't see that. Ah goddamnit. + Show Spoiler [Macro meme] +I still hold my belief that BC is town and that was my main reasoning to call Sk8r mafia. I don't know who to vote for at this point. I'd love to see others who disappeared(acrofales where are you) Dandel, what was the reasoning to lynch s0lstice again? He made a post that I liked concerning austin, altho it could be just pressuring an afk player, or austin could be just fine with whatever is going on.
Dandel switches next - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 05:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
So how y'all feeling about switching to snb?
Instead of no-lynching, we might as well save us the vig shot. [As an aside, SnB still a solid vig shot]
kita pulls his vote off among these posts - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 04:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:46 geript wrote:On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia. ... srsly? wtf dude So are you saying his role was responsible for the BC roleblock? On June 24 2013 05:19 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather do s0Lsticec than S&B. For me, s&b is a complete lurker null, compared to s0L where I'm leaning mafia.
WoS, if you'll stop at nothing to see him flipped, why are you so quick to conclude that he's not getting lynched? Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
As for his actual role I will not say if it needs to be activated or not. I will say that unless changes were made to the role (which is possible and says so in the OP), I don't know how BC was roleblocked.
****#1 TAKEAWAY FROM THIS SO FAR - HOLY BALLS THE LANGUAGE IS CONFUSING. BC WAS NOT BLOCKED BUT HAD A SHOT REFUNDED. CROSSFIRE DOES NOT KNOW HOW BC WAS ROLEBLOCKED, BUT DOES KNOW HOW SKATER SURVIVED. BUT THE REST OF US CAN'T TELL WORTH ANYTHING WHETHER THE WAY IN WHICH CROSSFIRE THINKS SKATER SURVIVED IS ONE THAT WOULD REFUND BC'S BULLET OR NOT. EVERYONE'S INTERPRETATION OF THE VAGARIES OF THESE POSTS MATTERS A BUNCH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE CLEAR REASONS FOR VOTES TO CHANGE IN SOME CASES****
geript unvotes because - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 05:30 geript wrote:
/sheep gonzaw
Then kurumi is the last to unvote skater, but at no point has seemed to think that skater is town or telling the truth.
All that nonsense is to say, acro, that your post is butt. I completely disagree with you saying crossfire "basically singehandedly stopped the lynch on skater." The only person who appears to have been directly swayed by crossfire is kita, and kita didn't even get a fully clear answer to his question of whether skater's role was responsible for BC's refunded bullet, or whether skater's role should have allowed him to survive in a different manner.
A bunch of the votes were just...wagon votes because skater never quite got to majority. Two of the unvotes appear to be pure sheeping of something else. Kurumi still thinks skater is scum as far as I can tell. You're assigning a lot of credit to crossfire here, him singlehandedly stopping a lynch, and it doesn't read that way AT ALL.
Do you disagree? Do you actually think those votes swapped due to Crossfire's comments about making a role?
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On June 25 2013 04:48 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 04:42 austinmcc wrote:THIS POST GOT WAY TOO BIG AND IT MIGHT BE CONFUSING TOWARDS THE END acro, this is some butt right here. On June 24 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote:
I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good.
Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er.
Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too.
On June 24 2013 12:25 Acrofales wrote:
austin completely missing stuff like that is not making me any more comfortable about him. For one, On June 24 2013 10:41 austinmcc wrote:On June 24 2013 10:28 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, take your time (well...at least take LESS time than you did last cycle >_> )
So, thoughts on Xfire? That one I can actually do tonight, at least out of context. Rest needs to wait until tomorrow. ... Without any context, just checking his filter, doesn't pass the smell test. ... Maybe that was unclear, but no context meant I was just re-filtering and not going through to really dig into when votes came in, when he posted, where votes moved.
Regardless of that, here's the main reason this post is butt. Crossfire's posts about skater don't stop the lynch. Look at his posts - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sorry that I've been away so long. (I did say pregame that I wouldn't have much time, but I didn't think it would be this bad T_T) I just finished catching up on what has happened. I think sk8 is town. Looking at the way he's acted before and after the shot, what he said he was trying to accomplish, how he is acting now, etc, I don't see that coming from a scum player. In solidarity with him, I will ##Lovetap: xxSK8rGUy277xx
I will be around for questions, but right now, I will be rereading the thread and looking at filters to see who I want to lynch. As I noted in my other post, this is air. "Look at how he acted and is acting now, I don't see that coming from scum" is NOT much of a defense. Not a single person who wanted to lynch skater at this point reads that and changes his vote. On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia. On June 24 2013 04:53 Crossfire99 wrote:
Stop asking how sk8r's role works. I created it and know how it works and know how he survived. The only reason anyone else from this point would need to know how his role works is if they're scum. If you're town, you don't need to know how he survived, all you should care about is that he is alive. Leave it alone. On June 24 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote:Note: I made my last post before I saw this post by Zeph. Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:53 Zephirdd wrote:
There's no way to get someone to 9 votes now. And Sk8r keeps being useless. Just because we are "tunneling" you doesnt mean you cant look at other players and hunt them. You don't have a limited amount of energy and defending takes little time, UNLESS you are thinking hard every word you are putting out, discussing your posts with teammates etc. Come on, hunt hunt hunt.
Xfire, just because you know his role doesnt mean he is town. That's how I won last game, Kurumi made my role and trusted me for that. Also, answer this: does his role RB the attacker, or does it just protect him? Does he have to activate his role or is it automatic? This is important because BC claimed to be roleblocked. Ok. I will keep that in mind Zeph, but knowing what his role is and how he has acted and what he has done makes me think he is town. I will look at him again if I need to later, but not now. As for his actual role I will not say if it needs to be activated or not. I will say that unless changes were made to the role (which is possible and says so in the OP), I don't know how BC was roleblocked. Crossfire's biggest contribution was "I made skater's role, I know how he survived." ALL that crossfire addresses is that skater has some way of surviving a shot. But we know from his response to zeph that he doesn't actually KNOW skater is town because of the role/usage, just THINKS so, again based on air. There is nothing in there that should convince anyone who wanted to lynch skater for anything other than "BC's shot didn't go off" not to lynch skater. It's not a defense. Nobody, from what I recall, wanted to lynch skater because he survived the shot, which is really all crossfire addresses with substance. And we still don't know what happened - RB? BC lying? skater lying? Nobody lying and something else at work? etc. etc. While it's clear that crossfire thinks skater is town from those posts, it's (1) not clear/substantiated if you remove the role; and (2) he's not even sure about the role --> town, based on his response to zephir. Second, I don't read the pages that follow those posts as people moving votes because crossfire has convinced them that skater is town. Skater has 7 votes at 4:33 TL time. Crossfire makes his posts. First to unvote is Zephir, who voted based on acro's case and skater not trying to scum hunt thinking he'd die - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 03:32 Zephirdd wrote:Holy shit. Did you really ask that? If you're about to die, we will get information out of you with a confirmed alignment. That means that, if you die, we know that all interactions concerning you - specially scum hunting - have a confirmed mindset behind it. In fact, NOT scumhunting at any point is anti-town. Why did anyone roleblock BC ffs. I'm switching to sk8rboy because I like acros' case and because of the above post. . He then says he voted for skater because BC town, BC thinks skater mafia, Zephir sheeping. + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 05:06 Zephirdd wrote:ok so BC didn't actually claim to be RB'd, just that his shot was refunded. Didn't see that. Ah goddamnit. + Show Spoiler [Macro meme] +I still hold my belief that BC is town and that was my main reasoning to call Sk8r mafia. I don't know who to vote for at this point. I'd love to see others who disappeared(acrofales where are you) Dandel, what was the reasoning to lynch s0lstice again? He made a post that I liked concerning austin, altho it could be just pressuring an afk player, or austin could be just fine with whatever is going on. . Note that the given reasons for Zephir's vote are NOT that skater survived a shot, and all crossfire came in and said was that he knew how skater survived the shot. So crossfire's posts should not have altered Zephir's vote at this point. BC and acro still voting skater. He still didn't scumhunt when zeph wanted to see scumhunting. Crossfire's posts don't address the things Zephir thought were scummy. Dandel switches next - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 05:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
So how y'all feeling about switching to snb?
Instead of no-lynching, we might as well save us the vig shot. [As an aside, SnB still a solid vig shot] Dandel unvotes skater not because of crossfire, but to avoid a no lynch. kita pulls his vote off among these posts - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 04:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:46 geript wrote:On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia. ... srsly? wtf dude So are you saying his role was responsible for the BC roleblock? On June 24 2013 05:19 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather do s0Lsticec than S&B. For me, s&b is a complete lurker null, compared to s0L where I'm leaning mafia.
WoS, if you'll stop at nothing to see him flipped, why are you so quick to conclude that he's not getting lynched? . He wants to know whether Crossfire is saying skater's own role is responsible for BC's shot being refunded. kita's earlier vote post has skater as scum BECAUSE of the roleblock, so this would actually be crossfire's posts directly addressing kita's reason for voting. But remember, crossfire doesn't know how BC was roleblocked - On June 24 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
As for his actual role I will not say if it needs to be activated or not. I will say that unless changes were made to the role (which is possible and says so in the OP), I don't know how BC was roleblocked. ****#1 TAKEAWAY FROM THIS SO FAR - HOLY BALLS THE LANGUAGE IS CONFUSING. BC WAS NOT BLOCKED BUT HAD A SHOT REFUNDED. CROSSFIRE DOES NOT KNOW HOW BC WAS ROLEBLOCKED, BUT DOES KNOW HOW SKATER SURVIVED. BUT THE REST OF US CAN'T TELL WORTH ANYTHING WHETHER THE WAY IN WHICH CROSSFIRE THINKS SKATER SURVIVED IS ONE THAT WOULD REFUND BC'S BULLET OR NOT. EVERYONE'S INTERPRETATION OF THE VAGARIES OF THESE POSTS MATTERS A BUNCH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE CLEAR REASONS FOR VOTES TO CHANGE IN SOME CASES**** geript unvotes because - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 05:30 geript wrote:
/sheep gonzaw AGAIN. SUPER UNHELPFUL. GONZAW WASN'T CONVINCED ON SKATER IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND THIS ISN'T REALLY REASONING FOR CHANGING A VOTE, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE DUE TO CROSSFIRE. Then kurumi is the last to unvote skater, but at no point has seemed to think that skater is town or telling the truth.
All that nonsense is to say, acro, that your post is butt. I completely disagree with you saying crossfire "basically singehandedly stopped the lynch on skater." The only person who appears to have been directly swayed by crossfire is kita, and kita didn't even get a fully clear answer to his question of whether skater's role was responsible for BC's refunded bullet, or whether skater's role should have allowed him to survive in a different manner. A bunch of the votes were just...wagon votes because skater never quite got to majority. Two of the unvotes appear to be pure sheeping of something else. Kurumi still thinks skater is scum as far as I can tell. You're assigning a lot of credit to crossfire here, him singlehandedly stopping a lynch, and it doesn't read that way AT ALL. Do you disagree? Do you actually think those votes swapped due to Crossfire's comments about making a role? Ugh. This is maybe the first post where my first reaction was "too long, didn't read". At least you should work on making your text easier to understand. Trying to understand it now.. Acro disagreed with how I read crossfire.
I disagree with his reading, and I think he's misrepresenting how Crossfire's rolemaker claim impacted the lynch, and doing so to make me look shady.
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On June 25 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 04:42 austinmcc wrote:THIS POST GOT WAY TOO BIG AND IT MIGHT BE CONFUSING TOWARDS THE END acro, this is some butt right here. On June 24 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote:
I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good.
Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er.
Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too.
On June 24 2013 12:25 Acrofales wrote:
austin completely missing stuff like that is not making me any more comfortable about him. For one, On June 24 2013 10:41 austinmcc wrote:On June 24 2013 10:28 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, take your time (well...at least take LESS time than you did last cycle >_> )
So, thoughts on Xfire? That one I can actually do tonight, at least out of context. Rest needs to wait until tomorrow. ... Without any context, just checking his filter, doesn't pass the smell test. ... Maybe that was unclear, but no context meant I was just re-filtering and not going through to really dig into when votes came in, when he posted, where votes moved. Look guys! I'll throw out a test balloon, and when it hilariously backfires and someone calls me scum, I will backpedal as fast as I can. Additionally, now that you have exhaustively gone through the context, you're still wrong. Whether they were "sheep votes" or not, it is completely clear that Xfire killed the momentum in that lynch. Half of my case was based on the fact that sk8er reacted in a non-townlike manner to expecting to die. sk8er himself then claimed (a little bit) how his role worked, which isn't enough because who knows whether he's telling the truth. Xfire confirmed that it was either the truth or they're both lying scum (highly unlikely). So the very fact that his role prevented him from dying debunked most of my case. And when I read the thread upon returning from the park (not sleeping, you derps), I wondered why sk8er hadn't been lynched, and that was the exact moment in the thread where I thought "yeah, I wouldn't lynch sk8er anymore at this point". So... you wrote ALL of that to call me BAD? Or are you calling Xfire scum? Or what exactly are you doing? I know I'd be happy with your head on a stake tomorrow. Blech, I keep writing longwinded responses that look like that prior post and then deleting them. Here's the short of it: I'm doing two things, and doing neither of them well.
Everyone is overly focused today on BC/skater, their continued argument, trying to get them to stop arguing, etc. Or at least, they were when I started that post. I wanted to go look at the OTHER important thing that happened D1 - all the vote swaps towards the end of the day. There's scum to be found somewhere in all of that, and it's more worthwhile than playing the BC/skater game. That all got wrapped up in trying to figure out your sniping at me last night, and all my looking at the early vote swaps looks crappy now cuz I was trying to figure out why you came to the conclusion you did.
As far as crossfire, same as before - that defense post on skater is 100% air. I don't think he moved mountains and re-directed the lynch. Still seems scummy, same as before, not "backpedaling," not whatever.
As far as you, I'm not quite sure. I can't get a legit read on whether you actually interpret what's happened like that, or you're twisting things slightly to try to set me up as a mislynch.
There, that's the shortest version I can get.
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ugh. gg acro.
Xata, part of my role involves making sure people don't have bears. That PM is related to me. Shame on you for having a bear.
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On June 25 2013 06:30 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 06:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 25 2013 06:28 Xatalos wrote:On June 25 2013 06:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Meapak is mafia Wait a minute. Are you Vig + Detective?? yes =) That sounds really overpowered. Hmm. Well, we have to lynch A) you or B) Meapak now. I liked Meapak's case on WOS but he's been lurking otherwise. Brb rereading filters. BC claims he got his bullet back. He shoots Meapak. Meapak red, BC as town as you can get. Meapak not red, BC probably about as lynched as you can get.
Just the fact that it easily plays out like that means he's almost certainly not lying.
On June 25 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ill leave it up to Geript to reveal the rest of my role If he so chooses.
For now consider me someone who is no threat to anyone, yet still ablt to scumhunt. This doesn't actually make me feel good. You're dead, but not dead, can scumhunt, but sticking with "Oh also, I'm not a threat to anyone"?
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Hey duders, stop lynching me. Gonzaw's onto something here:On June 25 2013 12:03 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, random thoughts about scum austin:
So, would scum austin be this "submissive"?
I mean, for instance look back at Aperture 2. He was obviously trying there (as scum), he tried to appear town and play the game, he wanted to live long and survive.
He doesn't do that now. He's inactive as hell, and when he's here he just makes 1 illegible big post and leaves.
Okay, maybe he just thinks the scumteam is fine and he has little time so he doesn't even try....but that doesn't seem like it.
MZ was scum, he was lurky and didn't really put himself up to survive for a long time, or try to push town around, etc.
Some people, like Dandel/Xata/BC are town (let's assume that just for the sake of this argument), so the scumteam would be a bunch of lurkers doing little then?
If that's the case...would austin REALLY act like this? If I'm getting the correct sensation about this scumteam, then it seems to me scum austin would try to gain control of the situation. At the very least discussin and being that "tryhard townie" he was in previous games as scum (at least when he is active, he could still be mildly inactive due to IRL). Even more than Aperture, just look at Chrono Trigger. I replaced in, was super-duper-mega caught, fought my ass off to get phagga (i think) lynched late in the game and died next day. I'm not lurky scum.
The straw polls and focus groups were me. I don't have full control of the presents I bring, and the answers I get back from those PMs determine what I can do at night. I told BC to look in the mirror for presents, hoping he'd vote himself and someone would choose a defensive role that I could assign him. He didn't vote himself. Because I didn't hear back from him, I assigned a one-night vet last night to the dude that BC voted for. The dude has not revealed that he was a vet last night.
Here's a thing that seems overlooked:On June 22 2013 07:16 deconduo wrote:
[center]Day 1
As day dawned over the asteroid know as Demon's Run, Colonel Manton fidgeted nervously. "Relax, everything is going to go as planned" assured Madame Kovarian. "The Doctor will play right into our hands. He doesn't know anything about patience or planning, he's going to rush in and fall completely into the trap we've laid." She was interrupted by explosions going off and alarms sounding around the base. "Get to your positions!" ordered the Colonel, as the Headless Monks drew their swords.
D1 post - Colonel Manton, Madame Kovarian, Headless Monks all in red.
On June 25 2013 07:00 deconduo wrote:Rose Tyler had been acting increasingly suspicious, and eventually someone acted on it. A sword ripped through her stomach and she dissolved into a heap of fleshy goo. Colonel Manton laughed far away in his control room, "Looks like they figured out about our Doppelgängers." A voice responded from the shadows, "Looks like you forgot to watch your back" Meapak_Ziphh as Rose Tyler as Colonel Manton has been eviscerated. + Show Spoiler +You are Colonel Manton
In order to trick the doctor you and your allies have kidnapped and disguised as some of his allies. In addition you have taken their powers. [Redacted]
Your allies are:
[Redacted]
You have a [Redacted]
You win with The Church
Your disguise is as follows:
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You are Rose Tyler!
You are a capable and resourceful companion to the Doctor. Throughout your journeys together, you have proven capable of taking the initiative and defusing difficult situations on your own. As such, your own influence is considerable, and you are bound and determined to get people talking.
During the day phase, you may PM the host with the names of two players. These two players will then be masoned for the following night phase. Rose Tyler will have read only access to the mason QT, and the masoned players will not be directly told that there is someone observing.
At any point in the game, you may permanently give up this power and assume the form of 'the Bad Wolf' by typing ##gaze into the Heart of the TARDIS in thread. The Bad Wolf means business.
In the form of 'the Bad Wolf,' you become a dealer of death, and gain one vigilante bullet. This bullet can be used at any time. If used during the day, the Bad Wolf must type ##divide atoms (target) in thread to perform the shot. If used at night, the shot functions as a typical vigilante shot. If the shot is targeted at the Doctor, 'the Bad Wolf' instead deals 1KP to herself.
Note to hosts: This is my first PTP so I'm not sure if this is broken as hell. I wanted to include the Bad Wolf storyline for Rose, but it's hard to make this anything other than a KP dealing role. So I ended up with what is essentially a vigilante with flair...a gun with a little bit of extra investigative/manipulative power.
You win with The Alliance
Meapak's flip as Colonel Manton.
Doesn't PROVE, but makes LIKELY, that there is a 3-man red scum team. This isn't a case where the daypost flipped co-hosts or something, it mentioned 3 red brosephs and 1 red scum has flipped as one of said broseph. So the conclusion I draw is that either there is a second faction out there or we've got a couple 3Ps floating around. Finding them not a priority at this point, but I don't currently consider shots and votes as making someone TOWN. I think, at best, we're finding people who weren't scum with Meapak.
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As for me, again, stop lynching me. Go lynch someone else. There are still bears for me to get rid of, and I need to get rid of all the bears, for serious.
Instead, I propose lynching the dude who's asking for the TARDIS, indicating that he knows something we don't know (or I didn't know), saying that he needs it AND protection so he can win the game for town, saying that he GOT the TARDIS, and then promptly...oh right, we don't know. We have no idea what's going on over there. People who want specific items for specific reasons in games like this generally don't want them for happy reasons, imo.
As a bonus, this is the weirdest single exchange since meapak got shot:On June 25 2013 09:56 gonzaw wrote:
4)Vig shot on snb anyone? Or I guess he'll get replaced now since he's not showing up...in which case...vig shot on snb's replacement anyone?
On June 25 2013 10:04 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 09:56 gonzaw wrote:
4)Vig shot on snb anyone? Or I guess he'll get replaced now since he's not showing up...in which case...vig shot on snb's replacement anyone? Why not call a vig on the player you think is most likely to be scum, rather than a random shot in the dark?
On June 25 2013 10:21 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 10:04 kitaman27 wrote:On June 25 2013 09:56 gonzaw wrote:
4)Vig shot on snb anyone? Or I guess he'll get replaced now since he's not showing up...in which case...vig shot on snb's replacement anyone? Why not call a vig on the player you think is most likely to be scum, rather than a random shot in the dark? You mean, why not call vig on a random player I'm not sure is scum yet (austin? or Xfire? or Kurumi?), rather than an anti-town dude that was inactive since 48 hours ago (or more) and will either vote and do shit or be replaced by someone on N2 (so we have 0 info on that guy)? Read guides, vig shots are not just an ego-boost to shoot people you think are scum
On June 25 2013 10:58 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 10:21 gonzaw wrote:
Read guides, vig shots are not just an ego-boost to shoot people you think are scum Those guides are probably wrong then,
That exchange is entirely ridiculous. Pretty much urrbody and their mothers says use vigi shots to kill unknowns, because lynching pure question marks gets you very little.
I can't find it with 30 seconds of searching, but I'm pretty sure I remember Ace telling people to vig unknowns. As well as a couple other guides. It's not at all a "wrong" thing to do, and kita getting so touchy about it really rubs me the wrong way, as does the way he's phrasing it.
This is not a vig shot in the dark at a random dude. This is a dude who has not been playing, therefore we dont' have much to read him off of. Those are good vig targets, and pretty much consensus good vig targets. Gut read is that kita just doesn't want snb shot, and the two are connected.
##vote: kitaman27
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On June 26 2013 00:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
so how many ppl got the role picks and can you choose who does it 2 peopel choose roles, 2 people choose names.
The role list is same every day, I choose 4 names each day.
I assign one chosen role to one chosen player during the night, they have that power for that night. I can only assign bus passenger as a role if BOTH role-choosers choose that, and then I bus the two chosen players (or one chosen player and a player of my choosing if both name-choosers choose the same name).
I know you didn't choose vet. But I made this role because I liked the idea of having a power that you weren't entirely in control of. I get to choose the name list and who to send to. Those people get to choose the boundaries of my night action. I get to choose a particular night action within the set they give me. Didn't realize how...powerless you feel when you have so little control over your ability, and I went with vet over your chosen role because it's less fun to let someone else pick what you can do AND let someone else choose the end effect of your role at night.
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On June 26 2013 00:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Austin, did the power you gave to my choice vanish after the night? Or does it stay on until its used? Each applies only for that night, so it vanished at the end of N1.
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On June 26 2013 00:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 00:39 austinmcc wrote:On June 26 2013 00:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Austin, did the power you gave to my choice vanish after the night? Or does it stay on until its used? Each applies only for that night, so it vanished at the end of N1. regardless, he didn't claim it. Right, I dunno if that's what you were angling for, but no. There shouldn't have been a downside to claiming it, because it should have faded.
As I wrote and understood the role, he would have been messaged that he was being made a vet for N1 during the night. It also wouldn't make sense for the hosts NOT to message the guy, because if I give medic/vigi/rb, the guy has to use his power and so has to be notified. So he should have known, but didn't say anything.
For anyone halfway following, BC voted for kitaman yesterday, and I made kitaman a vet last night. He didn't claim it last night, which is fine, because announcing you're a vet sort of negates it. But he didn't say today "Hey guys, someone made me a vet last night," which is NOT cool because he's hiding information that doesn't really affect the game going forward.
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On June 26 2013 01:22 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 00:18 austinmcc wrote:On June 26 2013 00:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
so how many ppl got the role picks and can you choose who does it 2 peopel choose roles, 2 people choose names. The role list is same every day, I choose 4 names each day. I assign one chosen role to one chosen player during the night, they have that power for that night. I can only assign bus passenger as a role if BOTH role-choosers choose that, and then I bus the two chosen players (or one chosen player and a player of my choosing if both name-choosers choose the same name). I know you didn't choose vet. But I made this role because I liked the idea of having a power that you weren't entirely in control of. I get to choose the name list and who to send to. Those people get to choose the boundaries of my night action. I get to choose a particular night action within the set they give me. Didn't realize how...powerless you feel when you have so little control over your ability, and I went with vet over your chosen role because it's less fun to let someone else pick what you can do AND let someone else choose the end effect of your role at night. I need to know who picked Vet. So I can slap him. Actually, since it's not here anymore, you might as well claim who got it... Already did, see above.
I need to send out today's, and now that the cat's out of the bag I can't really be sneaky with it and try to use it to gain extra information. My initial thought is to put gonzaw, kurumi, and BC on the list, ask people to choose defensive roles, give one of em medic or vet. If anyone's got a better idea, let me know, but I'd like to stick one of them + 1 random on role choosing, and then two of them on person-choosing. If they don't announce, scum won't know exactly who is getting something, and whether one of them is vet protted or has a medic to use tonight.
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On June 26 2013 02:03 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 00:44 austinmcc wrote:
For anyone halfway following, BC voted for kitaman yesterday, and I made kitaman a vet last night. He didn't claim it last night, which is fine, because announcing you're a vet sort of negates it. But he didn't say today "Hey guys, someone made me a vet last night," which is NOT cool because he's hiding information that doesn't really affect the game going forward. Not sure what this is a reference to. I didn't receive any notification that I was a vet last night. I made you a vet last night.
However, I re-read the role PM and notes I sent in, and I didn't include a note that the target of my night action should always be notified of what they got. I assumed it in my head since vigi/medic/roleblocker wouldn't work if there was no notification.
Double-checking on this.
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Interested in this post, and your reasons for not claiming the moment you got the thing.
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Kita did not receive notification last night that he became a vet.
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Oh, that was in relation to me double-checking, not to your comment about wanting to know his stuff.
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On June 26 2013 04:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
tl;dr: make me give a shit you two
##Ex-lax: Dandel Ion
On June 26 2013 04:42 gonzaw wrote:
austin convince me you are town, come on
##Ex-lax: gonzaw?
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