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Crossfire, I grant extra powers afaik. Did not intend my one-off gifts to replace someone's normal actions each night.
On June 29 2013 03:07 gonzaw wrote:
Why aren't you guys making cases against each other yet?
Austin, who of Xfire and Xatalos is scum and why
now Because the thread is full of a LOT of nonsense right now, not even that generated by MS paint.
If we are going to get SOMETHING from the ewok whistle, a vig shot, a check, a magical bunny rabbit, ANYTHING, then most of our speculation should hold off until after that point. We're clogging thread and SOME of it is useful, but some isn't, and it's impossible to get a clear picture of what's useful speculation and what's silliness right now.
Between the two of em? Gut read is xata. Crossfire clearly invented the TARDIS, was up front about that. He clearly has your role, and has apparently been up front about that. As far as I can tell, we DON'T know what xata is, and that's worrisome, because we have unexplained scummy actions - solstice kill, and unexplained RB on BC D1? (That's why I asked earlier whether it was possible Crossfire actually did nothing D/N1 like he said. If his role usage fits that, he's more likely town than Xata. If his role required him to do stuff though, and he could have done the unexplained stuff, he jumps ahead given that there's been a LOT of TARDIS confusion/something going around).
Also, xata fits the picture for...what I expect scum to do in this situation? Crossfire is letting you control his role, and seems to be answering questions asked of him, but not going much BEYOND answering questions and asking for directions about what to do.
Xata did little early, and is sort of starting to get more involved now. Scum has lost 2 people now to DT checks, and within a short span of time had to process/deal with: (1) DI coming back to life (if town); (2) geript getting surprise-checked. Moreover, they don't seem to be able to stop another check tonight, there's an invention floating around, etc. So I'd expect scum to change behavior, start trying to exert a little more will on the game. Xata has partially ramped up activity, has partially started to throw out accusations. If scum didn't expect geript to get checked and caught, they probably need to change game plans today. I see more of a changed game plan from xata than I do from crossfire.
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So nobody makes any cases or even looks at people's filters?
If Xata were the most pro-town motherfucker around for instance then Xfire attempting to make a case on him would make him fuck up.
If you want YOU make the case instead 
I just want to be convinced which one of them is scum and which one town, either from themselves or someone else (I could read their filters I guess...but I'm not in the mood to do that since I've done so already).
Mostly I want them to do some shit, if everybody is lazy as fuck and nobody does shit then we are getting nowhere
Also maybe BC could just shoot kita right now. Meh I just don't want it to fail, but whatever.
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Didn't Xata claim vote thief? (or forced vote or whatever)
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On June 29 2013 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Didn't Xata claim vote thief? (or forced vote or whatever)
Yeah, but he's never done it. Actually he said he was going to do it last night, but I roleblocked him, which he lied about. Additionally it would make sense as him for scum to say he was going to do it to geript who is his scum buddy because then he will be "forced" to vote for kita because I think xata is lying about his role and can't do what he says he can.
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On June 29 2013 03:18 gonzaw wrote:So nobody makes any cases or even looks at people's filters? If Xata were the most pro-town motherfucker around for instance then Xfire attempting to make a case on him would make him fuck up. If you want YOU make the case instead I just want to be convinced which one of them is scum and which one town, either from themselves or someone else (I could read their filters I guess...but I'm not in the mood to do that since I've done so already). Mostly I want them to do some shit, if everybody is lazy as fuck and nobody does shit then we are getting nowhere Also maybe BC could just shoot kita right now. Meh I just don't want it to fail, but whatever.
Everyone trying to look town by not making cases after they've been told to make cases since clearly only scum would just sheep what they are told to do to look town.
#sickstrats
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wait, xata said he wasn't rb'd right?
then it's easy, he's scum if he dont have no stolen vote.
show them votes xata
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On June 29 2013 03:26 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 03:18 gonzaw wrote:So nobody makes any cases or even looks at people's filters? If Xata were the most pro-town motherfucker around for instance then Xfire attempting to make a case on him would make him fuck up. If you want YOU make the case instead I just want to be convinced which one of them is scum and which one town, either from themselves or someone else (I could read their filters I guess...but I'm not in the mood to do that since I've done so already). Mostly I want them to do some shit, if everybody is lazy as fuck and nobody does shit then we are getting nowhere Also maybe BC could just shoot kita right now. Meh I just don't want it to fail, but whatever. Everyone trying to look town by not making cases after they've been told to make cases since clearly only scum would just sheep what they are told to do to look town. #sickstrats
lol
On June 29 2013 03:24 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Didn't Xata claim vote thief? (or forced vote or whatever) Yeah, but he's never done it. Actually he said he was going to do it last night, but I roleblocked him, which he lied about. Additionally it would make sense as him for scum to say he was going to do it to geript who is his scum buddy because then he will be "forced" to vote for kita because I think xata is lying about his role and can't do what he says he can.
Hmm...didn't think of that.
At one point he was "sure" to make it Xfire -> kitaman though, right?
Or you say that whole "Guys! geript and kita are scumbuddies I will 'force' geript to vote kita tomorrow" thing was completely planned then?
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On June 29 2013 03:24 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Didn't Xata claim vote thief? (or forced vote or whatever) Yeah, but he's never done it. Actually he said he was going to do it last night, but I roleblocked him, which he lied about. Additionally it would make sense as him for scum to say he was going to do it to geript who is his scum buddy because then he will be "forced" to vote for kita because I think xata is lying about his role and can't do what he says he can.
This is a very good point.
I remember looking at DI's fake role claim and thinking it wasn't in line with the craziness and multiple abilities of the other roles...turns out I was right (also because I remembered he had my role and could probably fakeclaim a role if hosts allowed him to).
Xata's role seems to be....missing something one way or the other.
Xata has been my primary scumread for some time now and I'd believe it more than you being scum, Xfire. The only thing that doesn't work is kita being 3P which I just DO NOT believe---and then I can't figure out how he would have figured out abot the TARDIS.
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And I continue to state, I want kita dead.
The game is not lost if he dies.
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kitaman27
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It's not out of the question that scum have gotten setup information.
Keep in mind s0l got shot after claiming le doctor, so they might have seen the role as a threat to remove for some reason or another.
Not too far-fetched that they'd know about the TARD
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Kita, I don't know what you're doing, but you WILL die, and you WILL lose.
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kitaman27
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So....can Sent modkill you yet?
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On June 29 2013 03:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
wait, xata said he wasn't rb'd right?
then it's easy, he's scum if he dont have no stolen vote.
show them votes xata
Xata's role gives someone a PM that basically tells them "would you kindly vote this guy?"
He gave it to geript, confirmed scum
We have no way to know if geript actually got it since he'd most likely tell us anything to further his agenda.
Thus, if Xata is scum with geript, geript can vote kita at any point and Xata will be "see? geript was forced to vote kita!" when in fact they coordinated that in their scum QTs.
The "Xata has scummy role that can't be confirmed we know little about, and almost every role is already known and stuff is missing, therefore he's scum" theory makes more sense maybe.
But if that's the case, then kita is 3P? Then why is he so scum-favored?
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WAIT A MINUTE.
Check this out:
- geript+Xata+MZ scum team
- kita 3P survivor
- Xata has Zepphird's role
- On D1, Xata uses day vig on sosltice. Why? So he and other scum could maybe rally up on an austin misslynch (geript just fucked up maybe because he told the truth or scum didn't want ALL scum jumping on that wagon; MZ was most likely absent as well perhaps or same reason)
- At N1, kita was telling the truth about the TARDIS and everything
- When he claimed, kita was telling the truth as well
- At that point, Xata uses his mason ability and communicates with kita, he tells him something like this maybe:
Hi kita, I am scum. I know you are 3P survivor. If you want us NOT to kill you tonight, do what we say. Also, we are very very likely to win this game because of [reasons, maybe roles, town is fucked, etc].
- At this point kita tells Xata about the TARDIS and how it works, kita tells in scum QT this shit. At this point, Xata+geript plan the "geript MK kita and kita bus onto Dandel" plan. After planned, Xata PMs kita again and tells him about the plan
- Scum + scum-favored 3P execute the plan and kill Dandel (Why dandel? Again maybe same reason as before, they choose a good townie in the group of people that had to vote in the MK)
- Ever since scum and kita have been communicating to enact their plans
What if, what if what geript said is true?
I mean, remember that point I made: On N1 kita was telling the truth
This means that when he said "the role I made can protect me tonight" might be true. Kita made geript's role
Therefore it's possible geript can ACTUALLY protect kita at any time or something (maybe gives him a bulletproof vest)
This is an incentive for kita to "join" scum, because scum will PROTECT HIM.
Not only that, maybe this is why scum told kita to "act like he's scum" (basically doing what he's doing now, which may include "incriminating" Xfire by waffling around).
Why? Because then townies would try lynching/shooting kita, who would be protected because of geript's role (maybe it protects from lynch as well I dunno)
Town would waste 1 KP/lynch, and scum would be one step closer to victory
Specially since they would have kita's vote, on top of their own
GIVE ME MY FUCKING PULITZER
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Also, remember Xata said he MADE HIS OWN ROLE
Remember when Zepphird claimed he made that dayvig+mason role? Remember how he died so there was nobody alive to prove Zepphird made Xata's role?
Also, I find it hard to believe Xata would create such a shitty role. A votethief...not only that, a BAD VOTE THIEF (why? Because it forces you to decide who to vote BEFORE THE DAY PHASE, a normal vote thief allows you to steal the vote in the middle of the day to whoever you want).
Why would Xata create a nerfed votethief? Then not be completely frustrated when he gets it himself (like I was frustrated when I realized my role was so shit)?
Answer: He wouldn't
Xatalos is scum
kita is invincible 3P survivor
Right now the TARDIS is most likely out of order or something
SO BC; if you can do me the favor, please shoot Xata before he comes back and uses his day vig bullet
GG no re
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Yeah or it's simply geript-Xata-MZ-kita scum team
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Hey, also know how nobody claimed who made kita's role?
I'll give you the complete role list now:
Xfire -> Sk8
Sk8 -> gonzaw
gonzaw -> Xfire
austin -> austin
BC -> BC
Xatalos -> kitaman
kitaman -> geript
geript -> WOS
WOS -> Dandel
Dandel -> Zephirdd
Zephirdd -> Xatalos
Kurumi -> strongandbig
strongandbig -> ??
Acrofales -> s0lstice
s0lstice -> ??
Meapak_Ziphh -> ??
MZ made the role of either Kurumi or Acro
solstice made the role of either Kurumi, Acro or MZ
SNB made the role of either Kurumi, Acro or MZ
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i still think 3 scum is too little for 16 players.
maybe kita is actually a traitor.
(not he himself, we already know that, I mean his role)
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On June 29 2013 03:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah or it's simply geript-Xata-MZ-kita scum team
No because scum kita has no way to know about how TARDIS works if town sk8 and town Xfire never told him.
Although....since Xatalos made kita's role, kita could have a role like this:
You can check the role of any player at the day phase
Maybe he used that check on sk8 and figured out the Tardis shit
Maybe he did it on sk8 because sk8 was talking so much about how he could confirm everybody as town, thus scum may have wanted to know wtf that was about. As soon as kita got confirmation about the tardis on N1, scum talked a lot in scum QT about what to do, they decided to have kita claim the "give me the tardis!" thing (which was NOT early N1, but kind of late) and play along
Certainly possible. I mean, kita hasn't done shit with his role yet, therefore it's unlikely it's aggressive, it may have been investigative
So maybe this IS what actually happened.
.....but well my "Xata PMed kita" thing makes sense as well
Mostly because kita "claimed" geript could protect him at night and shit, if geript's role actually does that then it doesn't make much sense for scum kita to say that (unless scum made that part up so we think geript can protect kita)
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