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layabout

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June 24 2013 17:41 GMT

#86

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layabout

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June 30 2013 11:42 GMT

#95

As far as i can tell there are 14 people signed up
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raynpelikoneet
Meapak_Ziphh
strongandbig
VisceraEyes
kushm4sta
EchelonTee
Adam4167
yamato77
Blazinghand
sandroba
layabout
Vivax
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Node

of course many may have forgotten but we need another 7!

layabout

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June 30 2013 22:55 GMT

#104

On July 01 2013 07:14 kholly wrote:

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20 people signed up after adding Mr Wiggles and I, whom you have forgotten, as well as the four who have recently signed up.
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raynpelikoneet
Meapak_Ziphh
strongandbig
VisceraEyes
kushm4sta
EchelonTee
Adam4167
yamato77
Blazinghand
sandroba
layabout
Vivax
InsertSmurfHere
Node
Mr Wiggles
kholly
DarthPunk
Oatsmaster
Blazinghand
FirmTofu

A smurf like you should write /in then!

layabout

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July 14 2013 03:21 GMT

#157

going away next weekend so /out

layabout

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July 16 2013 21:00 GMT

#266

On July 14 2013 12:21 layabout wrote:
~~going away next weekend so /out~~

screw it I Shall go to the ~~Ball~~ Game of Mafia

I am wondering why drh says we should share who we pm. Why does the thread need to know who you are talking to?
I can only see how it helps mafia, for instance it lets them find and break any sort of town circle.

If you typically live a long time in games it's worth holding onto a pm for later in the game.

I think we all more or less know how to use pms but only share it with the thread if there is a clear benefit to do so- e.g. sharing a players unvoiced reads after they have died.

On July 16 2013 23:24 kholly wrote:

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On July 16 2013 23:16 gumshoe wrote:

On July 16 2013 23:05 kholly wrote:

On July 16 2013 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On July 16 2013 21:29 kholly wrote:

On July 16 2013 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, if someone gets anonymously pardoned the suspicion will obviously be on me. There is no reason i should have claimed as mafia. There is no reason i should have not claimed as town.

Don't believe this guy. I read the Nuclear Winter Mafia game.

Does this make me mafia somehow and if it does, how exactly?

So you are voting for DrH because he is telling people to tell the thread who are they masoned with?
If that's true, what do you think of other people who agree with this idea. Me & Hapa mainly?

yamato, why are you not voting for VE if you think he is scum?
MZ, does yamatos "horrible post" make him mafia? What exactly is horrible in that post?

On July 16 2013 22:43 gumshoe wrote:

On July 16 2013 21:29 kholly wrote:

On July 16 2013 12:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It's important that people are transparent about who they choose to PM. If you aren't, you better have a damn good reason not to. The only good reason for being secretive is that it would somehow reveal yourself as a blue or is necessary for your plans to catch scum.

What are we looking for? Odd player choices. PMs are our chance to put direct pressure on people we have suspicions of without going over our post limits. If someone is trying to influence your opinions/manipulate you via PM you need to call them out in thread. If someone uses PMs to buddy to you by telling you they have complete trust that you are town, that's a red alarm. I don't see why town needs to have a PM line with another townie like that. I think discussing the PM dynamics and any plans/thoughts regarding it is a good starting off point for this game.

ALSO - Look out for those who waste their post limits on empty posts/spam then make an excuse later.

For example - "I had some good points to make yesterday but I went over post limit before I wrote my case and....."

The bolded statement is what informed me that he is mafia. DoctorHelvetica is suppose to be a well known player, yet he is calling for people to roleclaim who they talk to?

Don't believe this guy. I read the Nuclear Winter Mafia game.

On July 16 2013 21:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
wtf is this bullshit.
Total fucking retardness.

Malongo, Koshi and kholly, start playing the game.

Kholly, why is DrH scum? Also there is a voting thread.

Malongo, why is MZ being polarizing a scumtell?

Koshi, why waste 5% of your limit on a useless post? Absolutely USELESS.

Ok so scumteam is probably,
VE, sloosh, FT and other dudes. Everyone else that has posted I think is town.
Anyone that has strong disagreements for any of my reads, please explain why.

Using bad language doesn't get town anywhere. Thanks for pointing out that there is a voting thread. I didn't see it as it was far down the list. It is now bumped thanks to me. Oats, you should understand that I am playing the game. As you can tell, I am a very efficient scumhunter. Are you scared of this fake and trying to use aggression to get me to conform to the mafia ideals? I would like to say that I will not listen to the threats of terrorists. I will not be bullied. If you are mafia, you should kill you own mafia members for town credit as you always do in most of your games. Vote DH.

I played the nuclear mafia game, and the game before with him as town. Both times he got into early conflicts like this by being transparent. Also how is the nuclear mafia game indicative of his scum play? He was town.

In regards to pms, what does mafia learn by knowing whose pming who? Absolutely nothing, the whole point of pms is that mafia can no longer benefit from certain discussions in any way. Unless scum is being pmed in which case they already know and are already privy to the conversation. How is knowing whose communicating with who more useful for scum then town? If town knows they can co-ordinate a chain, ie I mason D.H then D.H chains oats and oats can pm me through the intermediately (oats mentioned everything one pming him making him the universal intermediatery but thats dumb, and risky). Naturally though the chain requires trust like all things but when done right it allows a certain degree of thread coordination.

The only threat of being open is mafia disrupting pm relationships. This is actually a bit of a problem seeing as we only get one pm, which is why I suggest not mass masoning D.H or someone else, if you must pm an intermediatery you trust.

Other stuff. Tofu: The argument that he pre typed his first post therefore its bad is silly, he ultimately decided to post it. Which is all that really matters, from there just ask yourself, did you find his post helpful? Was it maybe scum trying to comment on setup for easy townie points? Maybe, I personally think his thoughts were helpful (ie the growing risk of the traitor, therefore best to tackle him when he reaches his personal zenith) but if your going to attack him about the post do it for valid reasons.

D.H, Im really going to be wary of people who try to spend alot of there posts early in the day cycle, which Dh has, not being able to fight back is a great excuse and paints the accuser as a villain, im sure at least one or two scum will attempt something of this vien before the games through. His commenting on pming is fine, neither her nor there, its setup stuff to get the ball rolling but the point is hes getting the ball rolling. Which is townie to an extent. What I also really like is that he pressed Tofu and then backed off when he was satisfied with tofus response people please do not leave accusations hanging in the air, they will burn posts and actively hurt town, this interaction (Tofu posts, dh pressures, tofu explains, dh absolves) is the model for how interactions should go between townies if they have a grievance with one another. I think Dh's behaviour here strikes me as a townie trying to get the most out of as little as possible, so he reads green to me for now.

Thats about it.

To be clear, the only person I called scum this whole game is Dr.H. I just said I wouldn't trust rayne and I was referring to a game where he was town.

what does mafia learn by knowing whose pming who?

I won't go into details; it would only hurt town. This is an extremely deadly tool in the hands of a mafia player who knows what he is doing.

PS: Dr.H doesn't even follow his on advice.

I dont care what game you think your playing but were going to need more than that, transparency between townies still matters, dont breadcrumb unless your willing to spit out whatever your trying to say or pm it to the relevant party. And even despite that hiding behind pms is not townie play and I will press anyone who also feels the need to do the above in a smartass way. You are also implying that only a vote backed by an accusation matters, which is bullshit, scum want to throw as much at the fan as possible without getting any backlash and casually calling people scummy without voting them is a great way to do so. I didn't vote for him is a terrible defence. I will vote for you though until you can explain what you mean in thread or through a pm to me or someone I trust, and back up/ drop your Rayne shitflinging.

##Vote: Kholly

What do you think about the concept that scum can only mason 1 person as opposed to town being about to mason two?

Oh and don't worry, I'm talking to town.

This is not actually the case, right?It says everyone has 2 pms in the OP.

I really want to kill vayne. Why sign up to a pm game if you are not going to use them? They benefit town the vast majority of the time.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

July 17 2013 17:38 GMT

#360

I am not sure if people are trying to be concise or unclear but this feels like death by wall of text.

Rayne can you explain how VE had gone from fine on page 15 to useless VE scum on page 18?
also Null =/= soft scumreads, thats silly.

I take it chez is the one that tried to use PM's?

What's with the only 1 pm stuff?

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

July 17 2013 17:57 GMT

#364

wow VE why are you pushing Malongo?

saying "polarised" and being useless* isn't enough for the effort you have spent

*although he hasn't been useless he has simply yet to start scumhunting

rayne just said this:
gumshoe - PM'd me and tried his best to get me to answer him when i was at work. Wanted to claim to me after i explain how my role works to him. A strong towntell.

I always thought that rolefishing was scummy and that roleclaiming to someone is simply a means to win their trust.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

July 17 2013 18:53 GMT

#369

rayne have you considered that Ace may not have done his reading and notes and shit?

or that gumshoe appearing to trust you isn't alignment indicative but that trying to win your trust (claiming to you) it not necessarily the townie thing to do?

also if i thought you were scum then i would push to l_ _ _h you.
you can fill in the blanks yourself

strong i think VE needs to explain why he thinkskholly is mafia.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

July 17 2013 18:57 GMT

#370

oh god we have 9 and 1/2 hours

layabout

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July 17 2013 19:43 GMT

#377

Also start bieng useful, it's worthless posts like yours

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that start to make me think Ve is town.

dont be stupid that isn't reasoning.

also 14 posts in over 3/4 of the day is fine.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

July 17 2013 19:50 GMT

#379

I think we should lynch vivax today.

I will explain why in like 2 hours.

layabout

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July 17 2013 21:14 GMT

#402

gumshoe i picked out the point which you were being dickish to me over, cus you know, i dont like that

VE always posts like that and i never said i thought he was scum, your points sucked so i thought i should point it out.

He really wants to kill Vayne. this is BS
He asks Rayn a question. -SO??
Asks VE a question. -SO??
Now he wants to lynch me but wants to delay the reasons. - I would just rather play 400 days since i am not all that invested in this game.

layabout

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July 17 2013 21:45 GMT

#413

doc you always say that

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i am gonna go watch the apprentice final

layabout

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July 18 2013 00:08 GMT

#462

If VE claims dayvig on day1 to save himself from the lynch shouldn't he fire at his scumread?

If he is town then scum know about his role and as town we don't back off of a lynch because the person roleclaimed before we kicked the block from under they feet so that the noose would bite into their neck and cut the supply of air to the lungs and oxygen to the brain.

a last minute claim does not a townie make particularly a non-confirmed confirmable claim.

#donate 1 post to vayne cus having no posts is stupid if something happens

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

July 18 2013 00:23 GMT

#467

On July 18 2013 09:12 Vivax wrote:

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Shouldn't you read your scumread's filter if you were town? That would help answering part of your question.
Still no statement regarding your Vayne blooper so far.

vayne was not a scumread and you trying to paint it that way just doesn't sit right with me

can you spell out how it answer's my question? I am of course presuming that you think VE is my scumread which i have not said.

I shall add that VE accepts responsibility for his part in being lynched right before he claims. This is important because the two actions do not fit. Accepting the threads decision is one way to go, he says what he wants to say and accepts the decision to lynch him. Then he follows it up with a roleclaim to keep himself alive. It is not helpful, he does not support it although he should be able to confirm it. If he is town he has not helped town with that claim as he should be able to. What he has does is give people a reason to doubt or take back their votes to look after himself.

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

July 18 2013 00:44 GMT

#472

vivax in future can you please quote the bit you mean? because i if you mean " I'm currently saving my ability up for a possibly good moment" from this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19213324 then you should know that most people will skip over pm logs unless you tell them that there is something specific in them that they need to look for.
I cant see where you talk about his role mechanics. After his claim you call it "too weird to be fake "and demand that we don't lynch him.

For a 24 player game we have a vote's spread pretty thinly:
here are the leaders as far as i can tell and we should not be lynching slOosh.
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sloosh: 5 raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta VisceraEyes
VE: 3 FirmTofu yamato77 slOosh
snb:2 Vivax gumshoe

layabout

United Kingdom2600 Posts

July 18 2013 00:55 GMT

#478

It is not without regret that i will be voting for VisceraEyes today.

He made a claim that i see no good reason for town to make. He did not explain it. He did not attempt to confirm it. He simply used it for self preservation.

Everytime time he does this i will vote for him.
#vote: VisceraEyes

other stuff:

The more times I read the thread over, the more I like the idea of a slOosh lynch. I'm masoned with slOosh, presumably of his choosing because I didn't initiate it. He's done nothing with it aside from ask me two questions. First, he mentioned what I just mentioned above, the mistake post where I replace slOosh with MZ. Second, and this is the important one: "What do you think about layabout's PM stance?"

………..what? WHAT? I'm on the block for "not contributing enough" and he wants to know what I think about layabout's stance on the mechanics? OVER 24 HOURS INTO THE DAY? He's faking it guys - everything he says, he's faking contribution. I'm fully okay with a slOosh lynch. And since I'm definitely not going to convince you guys on Malongo:

slightly waffly context:
It's important to note that the things you share in PMs and the things you share with the thread are very different. In general stuff in the thread is posted to works towards a goal like getting reaction persuading people directing discussion etc. But in PMs you can talk about the game the big and the small, the little things that you are thinking about but might not want to share with the thread or that you want another opinion on.

But a very large part of VE's reason for voting slOosh is that slOosh is PMing VE about the small stuff. Or rather something that VE does not think should be the main focus of the game right now. But what slOosh has done is send a perfectly reasonable PM and VE has tried to use that to tell us that slOosh's priorities are skewed as if slOosh had posted that in the thread.

VE's entire reason for pushing slOosh is inflated and intentionally out of context.

I challenge you to read malongo's filter and come back and say it justifies VE's efforts in pushing him.

VE is scum

layabout

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July 18 2013 00:58 GMT

#480

vivax you only had 3 wall for me to read when i said i would write a case. But now it would require way too much effort on my part with no real benefit.

layabout

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July 18 2013 01:13 GMT

#483

best cases are on firmtofu and visceraeyes so pick accordingly

layabout

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July 18 2013 01:19 GMT

#485

On July 18 2013 10:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
There's no case on me LMAO

You are leading on votes btw.

Also explain you role.

And explain you vote.

Actually just die.

layabout

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July 18 2013 01:22 GMT

#487

there is always the wiggle case on meapak_ziph is suppose

alternatively you could have your own reads but if that's not important to you then fine.

layabout

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July 18 2013 01:48 GMT

#497

MZ is being an openly anti town useless douchbag.

must ... resist ... urge ... to ... switch

layabout

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July 18 2013 02:33 GMT

#506

kill meapak, he deserves to get lynched and the VE situation will likely resolve itself

layabout

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July 18 2013 02:41 GMT

#512

On July 18 2013 11:39 Ace wrote:
did you really claim day 1?

layabout

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July 18 2013 03:28 GMT

#532

so much awful

layabout

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July 18 2013 16:39 GMT

#569

I just dont understand why VE is still doing that.

@slOosh dont ask dumb questions

@koy there is no point posting analysis at that time because it's too late to start a wagon and vivax was leaving and i didn't feel like anyone was listening to me.

you could point to the meapak wagon but he was basically sticking his middle finger up to the thread and when VE gave us more inforamation (although way too late) he became a poor lynch.

layabout

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July 19 2013 01:25 GMT

#626

fuck9ijng wasted

course we should kill vayne if he is town he plays like a selfish dickhead if he is mafia we should kill him

viavax's posts are long, careful and unhelpful, they aren't helpful to a good town atmosphere and they are vastly different to the posts he made as town in "The Game". He sticks to the same target from the start of day one and there is no evidence of him changing his reads as the game starts to evolve.

marv feels like scum. He is isn't ttying and is trying to throw sit for the sake of it.

time to have a ham sandwich.

layabout

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July 19 2013 01:47 GMT

#627

also FU firm vayne's attitude is anti-town regardless of his alignment and killing him because of that is fine

and slOosh if VE can confrim his role and (Z)

MaFia can shoot him of course we should leave him (T)

aLive

slOsh's attitude really does not fell like the attitude of somebody that is trying to find scum. I think he is deliberately overlooking stuff that should be obvious .

layabout

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July 20 2013 19:29 GMT

#817

to \out because i will not have proper acess til monday.
it should be obvious to kill mz since he claimed an SK check on the town vig. plus look at who shot him since america and town vig and town dayvig seems a bit too much.
mz claiming sk check fits mafia since town would fake a red check and it give mafia the chance of the correct flip if its 3p.

i skimmd slOoshe case. LOL

layabout

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July 20 2013 19:35 GMT

#818

should read i tried to \out..

i was going to call wiggles scum but i cant decide if mafia would bus mz or try to get away with it

phone posting hurts

layabout

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July 21 2013 02:06 GMT

#859

stop calling me mafia idiots

layabout

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July 21 2013 02:29 GMT

#861

apparent ly mz was lying as a joke. what a dick. i athinkingm about not playing with him again. what a horeible attitude.

why has no one pmed me yet?

if i am around i might switch to slOosh. but i havent filtered him and i am not thinking straight

layabout

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July 22 2013 21:02 GMT

#980

clarifying some things:
I read one of slOosh's post's on day 1 and i decided i wanted to mason him but just as i was typing it in i checked a votecount and decided not to. I thought he was fine at the time.

I also never would have voted or pushed VE on day1 if he hadn't claimed and been so unhelpful with it. I hate that he does that and i will vote him everytime he does.

was yesterday ended early?

Finally back at home so i can have a thorough read if i can be arsed.

layabout

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July 22 2013 21:26 GMT

#981

What happened to masoning scumreads?

this game is boring

layabout

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July 22 2013 22:40 GMT

#985

nice response rayne.

someone complains about you wasting posts and you waste a post with a fairly immature comment.

Is dr.h still in this game? Why did he get all mad?

layabout

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July 23 2013 00:01 GMT

#989

On July 23 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kushmasta and vayne;
- If i am town pardoner i am telling the truth which means mafia pardoned Sloosh which means he is scum.
- If i am scum pardoner i am probably lying about not pardoning Sloosh which means he is scum.

How can you reason voting me over Sloosh?

Also kush:

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How is this post "useless spam"? I just stated i have a townread on people i am masoned with, other than Oats. You on the other hand are voting for me over near confirmed scum Sloosh and you are calling my posts useless spam. Seriously fuck you. Same can be said about layabout who has done shit. I would quadruble vig you if i had shots because you guys are so fucking bad.

I have had no time to play since last Thursday. Til now. But no one is doing anything in thread.

layabout

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July 25 2013 02:19 GMT

#1125

layabout

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August 03 2013 03:25 GMT

#1730

something doesnt add up

layabout

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August 03 2013 03:33 GMT

#1732

I am so sorry
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Subject: sicillian mafia
Date: 7/21/13 20:36
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mason korynne

i have no clue

layabout

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August 03 2013 03:44 GMT

#1741

I was going to complain about the set-up but i cant apologize enough

layabout

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August 04 2013 00:23 GMT

#1805

mafia with low kp is shitty

sk is shitty

traitor with pardon is shitty

2 cops without anti-cop role is shitty

dayvigs are shitty

modkills are shitty

i am shittty

but it definitely was not a normal game and that tag leads people (totally not me) into making assumptions based upon what a normal game is that do not fit with what this game was.

i would also like to apologise to mafia for accidently making them think that marv or mz was the sk and town for a false check. maybe i should get a ban.

some fun moments though, it was just a shame that the game took so long to get started so a lot of people weren't aware or ready for the game to start.

I can't beleive day 1 though. Two town switch to save a scum and the town dayvig commits suicide after mafia had the chance to secure an easy town lynch with only a single player on the wagon but didn't.

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