EPTThe real question you a should be asking yourself right now is with the thread set on lynching me, why does mocsta want to kill marv.
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Meapak_Ziphh
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The real question you a should be asking yourself right now is with the thread set on lynching me, why does mocsta want to kill marv. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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Actually think about it this way. Scum have to get the SK lynched today. Now I am town so normaly in a situation where there is a "red" check on a townie there will be no disagreement because it's a good way for all parties to appear protown. So with that in mind ask yourself "why is there any resistance to my lynch." This day should have been open and shut, yet there is still debate. Why? The remaining scum knows I'm not the sk and are trying to get the real sk lynched without blowing their cover. The sk is trying to do the same thing. Under normal circumstamces a bad check on a townie is a dream come true for anti town players. Why has this opportunity not been exploited. | ||
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On August 01 2013 04:55 VayneAuthority wrote: that seems so backwards, you are way more scared of marv than you need to be. If MZ flips SK I will put a lot more thought into marv. He is the much safer lynch here. If we lynch marv and he is town wtf would you do at that point? You still don't know what MZ or koshi is. I don't see why you want to make the really unlikely lynch before the obvious lynch. Think for a second about why someone would be more scared of marv than me. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:56 VayneAuthority wrote: ill take it seriously but kush pretty much did you in so you'll have to rage at him endgame, sometimes your partners screw you the most lol kush played perfectly and I give him kudos tbh. I didn't realize until after he flipped that his whole schtick was to bus teammates. I'm sure he's having a good laugh in the obs QT. ok I think people are set on my lynch so I'll just give a few last words. I just reread the filters of the living players Marv, I really have no idea if you're sk or not but if you are you deserve the win. Mocsta: Your actions over the past few days make the most logical sense to be scum compared to vayne/koshi but I can't really see it in my head. Vayne and Koshi: while neither of your recent actions fit what I'd expect scum to be doing as much as mocsta has, you both have done some incredibly scummy things. Just know this, one of you is right about the other. Perhaps you both have forgotten but you both spent a lot of time before today calling each other scum and if I'm right about mocsta then one of you is right. Better figure out who. Here are the possible scenarios: 2v1v1 after the lynch. If SK shoots scum and scum shoot, SK, town wins. If SK shoots scum and scum shoots town, SK wins If SK shoots town and scum shoots town, SK wins or its a draw if SK isn't bulletproof (which would be strange). If SK shoots town and scum shoots SK, scum wins or its goes to the next day and the remaining townie is placed into a kingmaker scenario. What does that tell us? SK has a lot of paths to victory, scum has almost no chance of victory. Why do I bring this up? I think the remaining scum should claim because the only way to beat the SK is by getting him lynched TODAY. I would really like to win, my death all but ensures town loses. This situation can be treated as a game and you have to look at what every side's winning move is. Scum's winning move is to kill the SK. However that's been their winning move for three "turns" now and they haven't taken their winning move. This suggests they cannot. SK's winning move is to shoot scum which he has done with impunity a couple of times now. So remaining scum, what do you think is gonna happen tonight? You are gonna die. There's nothing that can prevent the SK from playing his optimal move. You can do a couple of things. You can shoot a townie thus ensuring SK victory, or you can shoot at the SK. You may not kill him, but you will give him a chance of losing. The last thing you could do is reveal yourself now and help the town win. Let me repeat this again. You are not going to win. You have a choice though, you can help us kill the SK, outlive him and take a symbolic "second" place. | ||
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The worst part about DTs is how they destroy town's ability to scum hunt. The remaining scum really should have considered my suggestion, SK's gonna win now so wp (marv probably). Anyone want to end the day early? As a brief note to everyone obsing in the QT. This game is an example of why its paramont for townies to firmly establish their own innocence as well as scum hunt. I didn't do this and never really tried and its losing town the game. Granted none of the other surviving townies ever established their innocence either but the mistake falls on me for getting on the wrong side of a parity check. Had I done better early/mid game this wouldn't be an issue because my alignment would be obvious when compared to marv. Oh well lol. | ||
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On August 01 2013 17:14 Koshi wrote: Well, MZ and you are both saying I am scum while that is close to impossible. If that was true Kush and I could have killed marv over SnB... Why wouldn't we? Also, MZ says that it is VA or me that is the last scum. So that means VA. I could see that... But where is all this proof MZ is talking about? Ask me question, ask my opinion, but I do not know who is last scum/sk. But there is a difference between Marv and MZ and Marv is green so MZ is the most logical lynch. So unless he actually brings the proof, how can we not lynch him? Also his proof that VA/Koshi is scum is based upon the fact VA/Koshi were out for each others blood before? Jeezus. I really don't have a good idea who the last scum is so I'm gonna go with the logical route and say its mocsta. Honestly you and VA should have settled your differences and gotten one or the other lynched earlier in the game because when I went and reread the thread I couldn't use you two to help me read anyone else which was frustrating. | ||
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On August 01 2013 18:11 marvellosity wrote: If you want to convince me, MZ, you'll have to do better than getting my alignment wrong. Try again. If you're not the SK you're about to lose. That's my argument. | ||
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On August 01 2013 18:16 marvellosity wrote: I'm not, but you're presenting your final argument/defence as something that I know is wrong. If you can't even give me something I can believe in, then it's pretty pointless, isn't it? What am I supposed to give you. The check is wrong? I have no idea maybe it is maybe it isn't. I'm a miller? Maybe but there hasn't been one around in a while. You or I was framed? Yeah I think that's possible. Am I supposed to give you my fantastic contributions? Don't have any of those except I've been right (and was pressuring) most of the flipped scum. Yeah I fucked up with wiggles but so did everyone else and with good reason. People see kush's posting as icing on the cake yet don't bother thinking that maybe, just maybe that was the point. The whole reason behind my "martyring" a couple days ago was specifically to avoid this kind of situation. Whenever I'm town I always offer my own death when it can shed light on a debated alignment. I think you're probably SK because of how many flipped scum have alluded to it and scum don't just collectively push someone without reason. I realistically don't have anything solid to offer. Previously when I've been alive in endgame scenarios the other surviving townies were all very obvious that game with a little bit of poking around. I did a lot more than poke around and still couldn't say for certain who the surviving townies are. So yeah, if you're town and you lynch me you lose. If you're scum and you lynch me you also lose. That's what I offer. Want to end the day early? | ||
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On August 01 2013 18:18 marvellosity wrote: Especially given how long you've been saying how god-damn unlikely it is I'm SK. Sense make not is not make it. You wanna give me some better options? I've yet to see you give one read this whole game. Saying I'm one of your reads is great but its gonna be nothing after I've flipped. | ||
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On August 01 2013 18:32 marvellosity wrote: My read is that I think you're scum after kush flipped. And that Mocsta is SK. Think I've been reasonably clear about that one actually. lol wut? Kills have been consistent every night. How can mocsta be SK when he replaced someone who was afk? We'd have had less kills on some nights. | ||
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On August 01 2013 18:42 Koshi wrote: btw, I think it is pretty suspicious that all 3 vets didn't even try to solve the game on day 2-5. Recent games have shown VA is pretty good, while everybody said MZ and marv should be vets playing this game. But for some reason, you 3 are now saying adam/mocsta is the last scum? That's just strange. Vayne said basically fuck vets in so many words and since I was feeling trollish and vindictive I sat back and let him have free reign. Not such a good idea in hindsight but it probably proved my (somewhat selfish) point. | ||
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On August 01 2013 18:43 marvellosity wrote: Yes, Adam is exceptionally under-rated. lol ok He just afk'd out of this game. It feels like you're being willfully obtuse marv. | ||
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On August 01 2013 18:55 marvellosity wrote: No, I'm actually reading what people in the thread are doing. For it not to be Mocsta it has to be either VA or Koshi. Do you think *they* have the scumsnipe skill? No? Well then. They are leaps and bounds better choices. Hell I'm insulted you didn't put me as an option... oh yeah I forgot. I'm scum because kush "bussing" me. Got it. I'm going to bed. Once again I offer to end the day early. | ||
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On August 02 2013 01:53 VayneAuthority wrote: if you are town then don't we lose anyway? What would there be to talk about tomorrow if your town lol yeah forgot about that. Well actually sk wins. RoL just needs to end the day already. | ||
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scum should have seriously considered what I posted earlier. | ||
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