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On August 01 2013 01:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote:Meapak
(6/25)
hold up cowboy
1. do u think koshi masoning vivax is a town or scummy thing to do?
I lean one way if koshi is noon, and one way if koshi is experienced.., need help here
2. are u calling mz Mafia with that vote?
I actually like Marv as final scum... I have 3 kush posts telling the threwad to lynch Marv.
and there's also a post where Marv details his PMS with yam, and refers to him as obvious townie etc.
3. current count is 3 town, 1 Mafia, 1 SK
if town mislynches, we go into kingmaker scenario
I'm not saying mz is town, I'm asking why u would rather lynch him over Marv?
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(7/25)
right, so basically u feel more confident mz is anti town vs Marv?
hhmmm, I'm equally sure both are anti town, so walk me through why u are concenprned about my play?
when I came into the game, even replacing an afk lurker.. I wasn't up for contention... why would I as SK try and actively solve this game?
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the way I see the game is this.
koshi is playing innocent noon town
you and I play a similar town game, in the sense of get into peoples faces. I refuse to think you are SK, and u r certainly not scum. the fact that its only u and me trying to figure this out a deeply suggests we are both town regardless.
this leaves Marv and mz as final two anti town... I don't care who is scum or SK, I just am certain both are anti town.
whosws harder to lynch in general... mz or Marv? my concern is... if we lynch mz... and Marv shoots you or me... that we might not be able to convince koshi to vote with us, as he seems to be a kindred spirit...
that is why I prwgere Marv over mz...
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On August 01 2013 01:53 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
Vayne is town, Mocsta is SK. Koshi is town. This game is solved as far as I'm concerned.
Mocsta is constantly and consistently pushing me as SK with no rational basis. It makes literally no sense unless he's the SK himself. I'll vote MZ with you though Vayne.
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##Vote: MZ That actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it. SK in this scenario would try to push obvious town, then with 4 left hes protected by his BP vest so he just has to hope scum shoots town and he can guess shoot the last mafia freely. I don't see any other reason for him to push such an unlikely scum candidate
(9/25)
firstly, if u r referring to me pushing Marv.. that means u think he is unlikely antitown? when previously u said SK could be me or him.
secondly, you yourself said that scum should have role cop left... who pardoned sloosh then? it's not ideal to assume motives are based on things you can not prove, I.e, bp vest
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On August 01 2013 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:54 Mocsta wrote:
the way I see the game is this.
koshi is playing innocent noon town
you and I play a similar town game, in the sense of get into peoples faces. I refuse to think you are SK, and u r certainly not scum. the fact that its only u and me trying to figure this out a deeply suggests we are both town regardless.
this leaves Marv and mz as final two anti town... I don't care who is scum or SK, I just am certain both are anti town.
whosws harder to lynch in general... mz or Marv? my concern is... if we lynch mz... and Marv shoots you or me... that we might not be able to convince koshi to vote with us, as he seems to be a kindred spirit...
that is why I prwgere Marv over mz... 2 scenarios for me I'm gonna try and work with you on this ok we flip MZ and he's scum. Marv would have to be a godfather SK role which is extremely unlikely. if he actually rolled that and got the parity cop checks like that then he deserves to win due to sheer luck. ok we flip MZ and he's SK. Marv would have to be godfather last scum and have faked those sloosh PMs and a bunch of other crazy shit. If he actually went through all that then so be it, but I can't believe that for a second.
(10/25)
thanks for continuing the discussion
1. kush started bussing sloosh, yam day1. and made references to vote Marv several times.
it wasn't until after the Marv/mz parity check that kush started posting about mz
2. just because scum hinted role cop doesn't mean they have it. I get what u mean with sloosh PMS, butbheck that's kept Marv in the game... I mean if u were town and someone pm u to call u SK.., do untjink u would have reacted as apathetic as Marv? the whole thing smells bogus to me
3. in regards to the green check against ft.. how much do we trust oats parity check.. he admitted he didn't submit night 2... do parity checks even work if u forget to submit??
4. if SK can choose gf, just remember the choice was with hapa not Marv.
5. did u read my PMS with Marv.. he's not trying to figure out anything... common man, he clearly doesn't care about the game, but now comes out of the woodworks to lay down a vote...
I can admit that mz play is in general more abysmal than Marv.
however, I just can't see how u can say my play is more abysmal than Marv's.
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On August 01 2013 02:05 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 02:01 Mocsta wrote:On August 01 2013 01:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 01 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
Vayne is town, Mocsta is SK. Koshi is town. This game is solved as far as I'm concerned.
Mocsta is constantly and consistently pushing me as SK with no rational basis. It makes literally no sense unless he's the SK himself. I'll vote MZ with you though Vayne.
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##Vote: MZ That actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it. SK in this scenario would try to push obvious town, then with 4 left hes protected by his BP vest so he just has to hope scum shoots town and he can guess shoot the last mafia freely. I don't see any other reason for him to push such an unlikely scum candidate (9/25) firstly, if u r referring to me pushing Marv.. that means u think he is unlikely antitown? when previously u said SK could be me or him. secondly, you yourself said that scum should have role cop left... who pardoned sloosh then? it's not ideal to assume motives are based on things you can not prove, I.e, bp vest yea I had a sort of revelation then as to why you might be doing this, doesn't have to be correct. I was wrong about the oats/marv thing. At this point, as I pointed out in my post above. YES, I find it very hard for marv to be antitown given those 2 scenarios. It's way too ridiculous. The sloosh pardon is still a mystery, can't wait for endgame to see wtf happened there since rayn was actually town. BP SK is the most common form of it, so I think it's safe to assume that.
(11/25)
gg then.
seriously I'm pissed off now. I'm on vacation and wasting my mornings playing this game, to nail scum like koshi and fick. get called an SK for it.
u have made it clear where ubstand, and that's not going to change in 5minutes.
my suggestion is fornu to read my filter.. if u think that is an anti town filter, then remember in the future that the simplist solution is often the correct one.
I'm flkying today anyways and the tropical storm has passed, so regardless my time for Mafia is reduced. I'm taking a stand and will vote Marv.
##vote: Marv
BTW, do u like how Marv keeps throwing shit but doesn't post the pm evidence.. anyways, ciao
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On August 01 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
what does he mean by can we trust the oats check? he flipped town parity cop @_@
vayne.
parity cop requires to select a target night x... and a compare target night x+1.
oats checked ft night1 and Marv night3.
that doesn't fit the x+1 formula...I actually am not sure if the check is valid, and u should *know* that is my genuine thought regardless of alignment.
p.s. u like how Marv isnsuddenly going full ad hom and showing interest, funny that.
peace out anyways, I hope u make the right decision
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On August 01 2013 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
Where on earth does it say anything about x+1? Go read the role PMs. It just says that parity cop checks come in 2s and gives an example. Nowhere does it say you don't get a check if you forget to send in your check. You're literally making things up as you go along.
my issue with this parity check was from before I joined the game.
typical parity role pm as from Mafia lxii
Parity Cop You are the parity cop! Instead of receiving "Innocent" or "Guilty" your targets will be compared for Alignment. On Night 1 you will receive no result. Every night after, the new person you investigate will be compared with the person you investigated the prior night. If they are all of the same alignment you will receive "Same" otherwise you will receive "Different". Unfortunately due to your low budget, your investigations can be fooled by a framer or godfather.
my issue is it compares current target to previous night. if oats forgot to check night2, my interpretation is that he should never have received a check back on the night3.
oats pm
Oatsmaster the Parity Cop has died. [quote]You are a parity cop! You win with the Town! Each night you can check the alignment of one player. The following night you will be able to check another player and get “same” if they are the same alignment or “different” if they are different alignments. Every 2 checks resets, IE: Day 1 you check X, Day 2 you check Y. You get result of “Same”. Your day 3 check on Z would not yield a result until the day 4 check where another “Same” or “different” would be given
its possible the 2 check as reset allows a missing night2 to return a check, but its still not 100% clear cut.
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regardless my point us not to argue incessantly semantics such as this. it is to establish that the remaining town players a need to scum hunt, and not put so much faith in checks when it is not clear whether framer/godfather is in play.
vayne/koshi.
have u not noticed Marv change in attitude this cycle? trying to spam away posts, going full ad hom, making accusations with no proof to back it up? he's playing to what u want to hear.
let me repeat... anti town have to push a town mislynch this cycle.
put the green check away, explain how my approach to the game is scummish or anti town...
can u honestly say I'm trying to not figure this game out transparently?
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On August 01 2013 02:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Hey guys the time to lynch me was three days ago when I offered.
The real question you a should be asking yourself right now is with the thread set on lynching me, why does mocsta want to kill marv.
its simple
Marv is anti town.. I prefer Mafia over SK personally.
I expect to be night killed, and thus, also expect Marv to convince the remaining two town to vote for each other by playing to their egos as he is currently.
I.e. we lose.
what I'm confident of is that if anti town Marv is lynched, then it doesn't matter which town are left. the victory is assured by lynching mz.
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On August 01 2013 04:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
that seems so backwards, you are way more scared of marv than you need to be. If MZ flips SK I will put a lot more thought into marv. He is the much safer lynch here.
If we lynch marv and he is town wtf would you do at that point? You still don't know what MZ or koshi is.
I don't see why you want to make the really unlikely lynch before the obvious lynch.
OK this is what I needed to hear and can live with lynching mz this cycle.
will swap vote in threwad now
p.s. I'm not scared of marv. at all... I'm scared of Marv if I am not around, but u have shown willingness to consider him so I feel better about the situation
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On August 01 2013 04:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Lets play a mind game. Imagine I am *gasp* not scum for a moment.
Actually think about it this way. Scum have to get the SK lynched today. Now I am town so normaly in a situation where there is a "red" check on a townie there will be no disagreement because it's a good way for all parties to appear protown. So with that in mind ask yourself "why is there any resistance to my lynch." This day should have been open and shut, yet there is still debate. Why? The remaining scum knows I'm not the sk and are trying to get the real sk lynched without blowing their cover. The sk is trying to do the same thing.
Under normal circumstamces a bad check on a townie is a dream come true for anti town players. Why has this opportunity not been exploited.
anti town need to get anyone lynched but themselves.. in fact i think it is preferable for anti town to lynch the other antitoqn, because they eliminate the risk of being night killed.....however they also need to assess this risk against the possibility of a town circle forming.
but I will say it doesn't make sense that u r Mafia to me.
yamato posts/PMS tried to set u up as a backup lynch to VE pretty hard as early as day1.
considering sloosh was a goon, its clear yamato doesn't like to bus with the effort he put in to save sloosh. hence, it's highly unlikely u r Mafia in my book.
SK in the other hand, does make sense. ur play is certainly not conducive to scum hunting, yet u have been too much of a pest to be blendy Mafia as well.
if u r town... I will have to do a Dr.h and quit playing forum Mafia.
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On July 20 2013 18:59 marvellosity wrote:
We probably need to be lynching s&b for that shot.
First, kholly.
##Vote: kholly
this is one of the reasons I think Marv is Mafia.
this reminds me if personality2, u tunnel a guy into oblivion and use it as an excuse to glances over game changers.
I actually respect Marv's play, so its hard to fathom how a town Marv could acknowledge the scumminess of snb action, and simultaneously neglect it because of "its chezinu"
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On July 21 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:
You're ok Koshi. I'm your guardian angel for now <3
##Donate kushm4sta: 2 posts
Vayne, I don't really like much of anything you posted there about kholly/s&b/layabout etc. I don't think it's scummy, just not good. In my opinion it's a massive mistake to write a terrible shot off as "he's apathetic" because it's too easy. At the very least massive, massive pressure should be applied to s&b for what he did.
lol more Mafia mindsaet.
here Marv condemns VA for his approach to the snb shit which is fair enough... however the important take is that Marv is giving advice and then sitting on his arse.
if snb needs pressure, them surely scum hunting extraordinarie Marv should lead that pressure.. but he does not
just wants to sit in the bench, and give posts to flipped scum....
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On July 21 2013 23:26 Koshi wrote:
Strongandbig/SloOsh The case from Vivax is good and I believe him. Strongandbig deserves to be shot for that shot on Ace. Town SloOsh, please try your best from now on to help us. Because the next lynch is already very important for town and we don't want to be wrong. If you are scum SloOsh, please keep doing nothing and we will lynch you.
There is currently more discussion around SnB than on SloOsh. I guess with this pardon that scum is going to push Sloosh again, even if the guy is scum. There are another 72 hours left, let's lynch between SnB and Sloosh. But let's lynch the guy that is the most useful for town to make conclusions from. A lot of comments here are "let's lynch SloOsh no matter what", I would like to remind these people that there 72 hours in front of us and a lot SHOULD happen in those 72 hours.
I still got 1 Mason left. Nobody masoned me so I didn't know where to write this down. I guess here is a good place.
Marvellosity/Vivax (This could be a scumteam, and if they are I am in the middle of it.)
Marvellosity I expect a list from you this night, because you are a giant scum target. Putting only kholly on it is not sufficient. I even dislike you for going so hard after kholly.
Vivax Some healthy suspicion because we are masoned. As soon as we see some of those target of you flip red you will be very towny for me.
For the reasons I have given to Vivax (but I don't want to repeat it in this thread)
Kholly
I am also liking Malongo his latest posts.
DH was very towny for me but now with the whole FT debacle... Back to null.
I don't understand koshi here.
previously vivax released logs with koshi, where koshi quickly drops his scum reads and agrees with vivax.
now he says vivax is a scum read... even though vivax is pushing snb who koshi is trying to push.... I don't get this
I also have a problem with koshi absence from the thread... one thing I know in these end game situations is that town typically don't afk unless its a rage quit...
koshi, please explain to me what was going through your head in the above
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On July 24 2013 07:43 kushm4sta wrote:
you brought it to the thread in a misguided attempt to look town.
Why would scum go to you if they didn't get a check on you? You didn't look particularly like sk.
BTW vayne.
I love a flipped scum kush.
this is him stwaight after Marv posted the sloish pm.
wanna know what's interesting with the sloish PMS?
1. throws up koshi as we know
2. sloosh shows interest in protecting rayn, which is why I think this was staged... we know now rayn was town
3. koryenne was in the mason circle so scum already knew about the mz/Marv check........
what I'm saying is.., yes, the pm Congo was staged to pre empt the parity check release...
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thnx koshi.. I'm unsure what "you 2"means though?
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hey koshi
I don't believe I called u scum. I was under the impression I whave been nominating mz as SK, and Marv as final scum.
my queries with u, were related to due diligence regarding the final townies remaining. I.e koshi/VA/mocsta.
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On August 01 2013 19:55 marvellosity wrote:This may or may not be relevant, but I told Mocsta during the night phase that I thought kush was SK, and he wound up dead. Show nested quote +Original Message From Mocsta: I like this pm from u. I really do. gotta go, speak post flip Original Message From marvellosity:
i'm not sure why people are expecting such things from me in this sort of game. I specifically didn't originally join because this game wasn't for me. Then I forgot that apparently when I agreed to replace in.
I talked about koshi/kush (more koshi) when i was arguing with koshi earlier.
I say kush because as you know kush LOVES to be right. And it was Koshi and kush who were specifically pushing korynne as mafia last cycle. So mentality wise, kush shooting korynne to 'prove' he's right would fit quite nicely.
still, not gonna worry about it too much for now
this is such a load of insinuating crap...
my first post of reads listed kush as my top read......
I was chasing u in the PMS for a comment of kush and it was a major struggle to get anything out if you.
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serious question. that has an important followup
where u masoned with kush?
we already know u were masoned with yam, sloosh, Adam who for some reason gave u oats/rayn PMS.
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mz is certainly not town.
he starts off by giving a spiel of how to play good town and establish innocence.
then tries to throw shit on me... when I'm the only person in this game left still trying to figure it out by rereading querying people? this is just dumb.
koshi is town.... I'm sure of this because of his continued naievity and happiness in play is not something mafia, especially new mafia can fake for so long.... i can't see him as SK either.. newbie 3p tend to lurk from my experience
mocsta.. is clearly town, and anyone calling me scum is stupid, except Marv who can hide behind omgus.
vayne... has said some really really dumb things throightout the game... but has been consistent with what he has believed in and I like that... it reminds me a lot of my older town games... highly confrontation so and often tunneled... though vayne has supported some of the wrong wagons, townies are not always right.. and I like the fact he is still here end game trying to dialogue with me to finish the game
vayne as SK is a remote possibility... he's played a town game that allows him to be low on the nk list..., however his conviction to NOT vote ppl pike snb makes me query whether he would have shot yam, korynnem and kush... I prefer to think vayne is confirmed town.
mz.. comes in and constantly martyrs since the parity check..we area talking like 3 cycles in a row or 9 days. seriously what type of townie does that, instead of scum hunting??? why does a town just give up, unless u r Dr.h
mz was also the first person to introduce SK in the game, when he faked a check on ace, interestinglyna lot of the scum team jumped all over the comment.
highly likely he is the SK, and perhaps I could consider him shooting yamato night1.... after all this is his first post
On July 16 2013 17:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm on my phone so I can't copy paste but a couple posts up this page FirmTofu reponds the correct way to DrH and VE responds to wrong way. Also yamato's last post was absolutely horrible. I will probably use both my masons D1 on people who I feel are town. I'm going to bed now.
and bam he is dead.
Marv is left as scum, most likely godfather
Scum figured out SK because town dayvig was lynched, night vig was shot and replaced in, so highly unlikely to have taken a shot.. if scum only had 1nk all game, that still points out to SK.. so rolecop isn't needed, its just process of elimination.
as for the logs, I think they are real conversations that were staged.
firstly the convoys don't feel natural, and there is no emotional desire to test for alignment or act in disbelief at accusations.
this is for both the yam/Marv PMS and the Marv/sloosh PMS.
the vivax/Marv PMS are worse. he just agrees with vivax all the time, I read the whole loga and the only time he offers insight is to get vivax off blending scum.
then u have Marv showing his true colours yesterday in a flurry of spammy/ad hominem posts designed to be a smear campaign with no factual evidence...u need to ask yourself if a solid player like Marv would act that way in the end game if town., my answer is no... spam, yes... ad him, yes... factual evidence, definitely if Marv was town
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as I said before, I can live with lynching mz first. but this game is a basically solved
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lol.. nice debate there.. seems to be your big on the mass debate.....
pun intended
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if I haphazard your sole reasoning that u r town because u said so.
OK.. Marv is still Mafia
explain to me which of koshi/vayne is SK and why...
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