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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
bold is corrected. I would like to add that I would have no reason to list 4 scumreads in the middle of the night if I was scum, especially considering who died. I will make it a point to not waste time defending myself because ultimately, it is just my word against Ace's. If town votes me, I'm not sure what I can do to stop it. I'm going to post all my updated reads(town included this time) and y'all can make the best use of it. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
My Reads: As Townie as Town ever Towned: DrHelvetica - There's no way he's pushing be this hard for this long if he's mafia. His PMs with yamato also seem genuine. VayneAuthority - Way too genuine about everything he says. Although he isn't particularly useful, he is very good at looking town. Meapak_Zipph - yamato's filter in basically incompatible with Meapak being on his scumteam. Vivax - Vivax never wanted to lynch VE. He was a core part of a mason group that linked VE and a few other people together. He has genuine chat logs that he posted with numerous people. He is far too honest and open to be mafia. (I used to have gumshoe on this list  )Leaning Town: slOosh - Considering that yamato was adamant about pursuing a slOosh lynch on Day 2 had he lived, slOosh is unlikely to be on his team. Korynne - Lots of good posts that probe people. I'm getting an overall town vibe from him. marvellosity - Although he generally tends to think I'm scum, he did post his logs with yamato. I can see his reasoning from a town perspective so I think he is town. raynpelikoneet - Similar to my read on Korynne in many ways. rayn is playing pro-town by being very open about PMs and constantly asking questions and looking for answers. His recent chat logs with Oats are indicative of this. kushm4sta - Considering that I am about 90% sure that Ace is scum, I see no reason for his scum teammate to discredit early on after his claim. This is exactly what kushm4sta did. Koshi - He thought Ace and I were on the same scumteam. That is reason enough for me to think he is town(albeit not a strong read). Null: layabout - I upgraded layabout because I no longer think slOosh is scum. Initially, I thought that they were very closely related, but it seems layabout had a bit of an argument with slOosh during night 1. layabout could still very well be scum, but it is hard to say at the moment. Mr. Wiggles - Was the first vote on VE, I believe. He could be scum, but his case for VE was definitely convincing. I'm not sure I can say one way or another. Oatsmaster - Although the chat logs that rayn had with Oats are somewhat convincing, I'm not just ready to move Oats down into scum territory yet. I think assuming that the bodyguard died protecting someone is a fair assumption for a townie to make and is not necessarily alignment-indicative. Most of his other posts about logs have been fairly open. I would be willing to lynch him, but only if Ace doesn't gather enough votes. sandroba - lol. Scum: Ace - Read my previous post for my case on Ace. I am almost certain he fakeclaimed and is not a stupid cop who picked me to investigate AFTER claiming cop. Jesus Christ. SnB - Not sure what to say. He's been pretty useless this game. He's voting for me, but he's leaving himself an out for when I flip green by saying shit like "I'm not entirely convinced, but DrH's case was kinda good so fuck it." I'm paraphrasing, obviously. He would be a solid lynch. kholly - His voting patterns are consistent with scum. He is Chez and is playing like a mafia Chez. He has a bunch of people I think are town on his scumlist. Kill him. Adam4167 - I believe he only has one sarcastic post in the entire thread that is a soft-defense of Ace. Adam is far better than this. Malango - Buddying Ace like there's no tomorrow. Completely useless to town. Vigi this guy ASAP. If I missed anyone let me know. Disclaimer: My town reads are a lot stronger than my scumreads. However, by identifying my town reads, I used the process of elimination to narrow down scum. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 20 2013 03:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:if firmtofu is not lynched in this game I will never sign up for another mafia game again in my life. I hope you don't actually follow through on that. I enjoyed playing with you and I would love to play with you again. Also, when I flip town, don't quit mafia and don't ragequit out of this game. Pinky promise? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 20 2013 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: FT how does yamato's filter exclude MZ from being scum? I think during night 2, he said ace and MZ would be good vigi targets. Now I know Ace is on the scumteam, so I can't see a reason why he would group ANOTHER scum teammate on his list of vigi targets as well. Add to this that MZ has been defending me the whole game and you can see why I think he's town. He should probably be sitting in my leaning town list, though. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 20 2013 04:28 Koshi wrote: @FirmTofu When you went off the VE wagon, you only defended VE once. Why didn't you put more and better effort in saving VE? I remember you to really like to be agressive and take the lead in the Nuclear game. You could have done more than once caps lock a defense for VE right? Are you saying I'm not aggressive in this game? I am at the forefront of all discussion BECAUSE I pissed off so many people. That only happens when you're town. That only happens when you're aggressive. About VE: 1) There were like 10 minutes left in night. I had to get out a defense of VE as quickly as possible so that voters would have the maximum amount of time possible to switch their votes. 2) My effort should have been enough reason to convince any town member not to vote for VE. I stated exactly why he deserved to live in a concise and rational manner. 3) I was hitting my post count limit and I didn't have the luxury of to just keep posting incessantly to convince people. 4) Why aren't you asking all the other idiots who didn't even bother to ask people to vote someone other than VE? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 20 2013 06:00 Korynne wrote: Hey guys, how do you feel about asking vigilante (if there is one, because I'm not rayn and I don't assume everyone has a role =P) to vigi FT? Scenario 1a: Lynch FT, FT is scum, continue scum hunting. Scenario 1b: Vigi FT, FT is scum, fast forward scum hunting process. Scenario 2a: Lynch FT, FT is town, panic and confusion ensues, DrH commits seppuku, fingers of confusion point towards Ace and we get to do night actions and wait to decide if we lynch Ace tomorrow. Scenario 2b: Lynch FT, FT is town, panic and confusion ensues, DrH commits seppuku, we get down to business on Ace and lynch him today/he talks his way out of it and we lynch another likely mafia target. Feels like we speed things up either way and killing off FT would let us focus on "normal" mafia hunting instead of this clusterfuck of Ace claiming. Thoughts? Could we maybe consider vig'ing Ace? After all, he has done absolutely nothing for the town and from your perspective, we are equally likely to be mafia? I dunno, I guess you could say he could be a cop whereas I have no claim to blue so I'm less valuable. I would disagree. Regardless, I agree that shooting me is probably a smarter play than lynching me. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 20 2013 07:16 kushm4sta wrote: eh nvm. just read fts filter for the first time. he does.seem too focused on defense. gogo lynch ft. ##vote ft Okay, hold on. You are the same guy who is saying that Ace fakeclaimed. On July 20 2013 02:11 kushm4sta wrote: so his response to aces fake claim makes him scummy? You are also the same guy that said I am town because of my response to the fakeclaim. On July 20 2013 02:56 kushm4sta wrote: oats - this guy is pretty unreadable. I can see him easily being town or scum. I have definitely seen him act like this as town. ft - town. his response to aces fake claim was really in depth and townie. go reread it of you think it makes him scummy because honestly it is one of the towniest things in the game. Why are you waffling based on no new information? On July 20 2013 07:21 strongandbig wrote: the only new things in oats's filter since D1 are his message chain with VE (short, null) and a bunch of one-liners (also null). i would like to see a real comment on the ace/ft/drh situation (especially the fakeclaim) but i see no reason to update my read. also ##unvote: firmtofu until we resolve this ace fakeclaim situation. (4/20) I'm sorry, what? You seem to be certain that Ace fake claimed. Unless you were in my position and you knew I was town, I don't see how you are so sure. Additionally, if you are so sure that Ace fakeclaimed, then why did you vote me to begin with? DrH's case was available for all of day 1, and you didn't even pass me a second glance. Obviously, the Ace claim made you vote me. Why are you now saying that it's FoS? Everyone needs to take a close look at kush and SnB. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 20 2013 07:50 strongandbig wrote: Ace said he fakeclaimed........... Also FoS stands for Finger of Suspicion not Full of Shit. You can just write that one out. (5/20) Nevermind, I apologize for my last post. I can't believe I didn't see that... Going to unvote Ace until I figure out his true intentions. Voting kholly because Chez needs to die. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 20 2013 10:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Damn this town is just brimming with detectives. I checked Ace like I said I was going to and got SK Is SK a frameable outcome? Looks like Ace would be the better lynch because SK reduces KPN, whereas mafia doesn't. I'm not sure whether we should trust MZ considering he also claimed on Night 1 for no reason. Let's look at our possible lynches today. FirmTofu - I'm town. Ace lied when he said he checked me. DrH is the only one with a case against me. Ace - MZ says he checked Ace and got SK Vivax - kush says he's mafia according to what someone said in a PM kholly - chez who is playing like mafia chez Oatsmaster - rayn says he knew too much information about Gumshoe's death. I would be willing to lynch kholly or Ace. I'm leaning toward Ace because SK is far more dangerous than potential mafia and we can always lynch MZ if he lied. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 20 2013 11:18 Adam4167 wrote: FirmTofu, for someone who so vehemently denounces meta usage, why are you willing to lynch kholly for what is a pure meta read on a player that isn't even confirmed to be that player? When meta is one of the only methods of reading someone, I am forced to use it to justify a lynch on an unconstructive player. I've already run through why kholly is a good lynch aside from meta in many of my posts. His voting patterns are consistent with scum ideology and he is useless to town. I might as well be clear. I don't think the reasoning that kholly=chez and chez=mafia chez justifies the lynch by itself. I am using meta to convince other people to vote for someone I find scummy because of different reasons. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 20 2013 11:34 Korynne wrote: Hmm let's see... FirmTofu - You claim you're town, that's nice. Ace probably lied, that's nice too. Still weirded out by the fact that you say DrH is the only one with a case against you, so he's the only one that deserves to get you killed? Also pretty sure last time I checked one case is enough, if enough people are convinced. Forget this whole Ace/FT shenanigans there's plenty of evidence to lynch you without that. Did I miss the part where you and MZ are total bffs? MZ says he checked Ace and that's immediately accepted? Also SK is not an immediate lynch target is it? If there's people who actually look really scummy, like say, you, then we should probably lynch you first. I guess I also missed the part where you were bffs with kuch. Closest thing I would say is layabout was claiming he was going to make a case against Vivax, and then just completely dropped that claim. layabout is completely unmentioned by you. kholly - Sure whatever. Oatsmaster - Same deal as Vivax, not sure how they magically made it to the possible lynches list. It's like you took everyone who even had a finger accidentally pointed in their direction. (MZ) - oh wait, you didn't put your bff on this list? Oh wait, it's another FirmTofu no guys he can't be scum because that other guy is scum (Ace). (SnB) - he was on your scum list, don't see him on this list. Why the sudden change of heart? There's enough other people who think he's scummy and should be lynched. Side note does nobody else notice the ##kill thing? xD Like, we're just completely ignoring that or what? Or we waiting to see what mods say first? Why so scummy FT? :3 [[Don't mind the tone of voice in this post, it was for artistic flair. Not claiming it was good, just saying, it wasn't like, I'm mad at chu or nething. =P ]] I wasn't saying these were good lynches. I was merely mentioning the people with the most votes that had a case on them. This was supposed to be a concise way to organize the information we have at hand. DrH is the only one who's made a case on me. That is a fact. I never said that he is the only person who deserves to get me killed. Why are you twisting my words and making it sound like I'm saying something that I'm not? Killing SK would reduce the kills per night, meaning that one less town player would die every single night. This would give us a huge advantage moving forward. Of course the SK is a priority. If MZ is lying about his claim, we can always lynch him. Ace lied, but fessed up to it. This makes me even more convinced that he was trying to pull some big play as SK to try and be confirmed town. SnB is on my scumlist, sure, but like I said in my post, I was more sure of my town reads than my scum reads. I'm willing to change my scum reads based on new information. I don't see why you would expect me to remain stagnant. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
It looks like SnB killed Ace. SnB = Vig/MafVig? I don't see the incentive for him to publically kill Ace if he was scum. kholly's pms indicate that he is the one who checked Vivax and got a scumread. I'm inclined to believe this based on his behavior. He tried to pretend that someone else checked Vivax and told him Vivax was scum to keep himself alive. For now, kholly=town. MZ lied about his check on Ace. Throw him onto the scumlist. I wouldn't mind lynching him at this point. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
I will be back later. If I run out of posts, I'm going to ask rayn to relay information from my pms to him to the thread. I repeat, my scumreads are probably wrong. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
Original Message From RebirthOfLeGenD: You are the Jailkeeper! You win with the town. At night you may choose to Jail any player. This player cannot act or be acted upon I visited DrH night one. At the time, I thought he was VT/mafia and definitely not blue. I visited him because I didn't want to screw up some blue's night actions by accident and he seemed like a safe choice considering he was probably town's strongest collective town read. I thought if he was town, he might get attacked. If you lynch me, I won't blame you. This is by far my worst game on TL Mafia. Ugh. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
I would like to add that my role is by no means confirmed and that if you think it is, you should think twice. Anyone can fabricate their own pms. I could be a mafia jailkeeper as well. Like VE said before he died, role /= alignment. If I have violated the rules, I apologize. I will graciously volunteer to get modkilled. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 20 2013 15:51 Ver wrote: FirmTofu of House Chezinu has been modkilled for posting a host pm. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. I don't know his actual role or role pm (maybe it's just what he posted lol) so I'll leave it to RoL to post that. Sent you a personal apology. GG guys. I can't say I particularly enjoyed the game, but it's been fun. GL HF | ||
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