EPTAce your posts so far are horrible. Can you read the thread and give your opinion on things? We have 20 posts/person/dayphase, do not waste them with useless stuff.
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Ace your posts so far are horrible. Can you read the thread and give your opinion on things? We have 20 posts/person/dayphase, do not waste them with useless stuff. | ||
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On July 18 2013 03:53 layabout wrote: rayne have you considered that Ace may not have done his reading and notes and shit? or that gumshoe appearing to trust you isn't alignment indicative but that trying to win your trust (claiming to you) it not necessarily the townie thing to do? also if i thought you were scum then i would push to l_ _ _h you. you can fill in the blanks yourself strong i think VE needs to explain why he thinkskholly is mafia. Yeah but the first thing when you replace into a game / when a game starts is to read OP. Not to ask "wtf should i do".. Yes i have considered the gumshoe thing and came into conclusion that it's far more likely that he is town. If you read the logs between us and come to a different conclusion or if there is something that supports him being mafia i'll reconsider. We have a postlimit this game, why are you questioning me and not your scumreads? That's kinda what you should be doing if you are town and think i am town. I think we should lynch into Sloosh/VE. I don't even know which one to prefer to be honest. Let's see who of those two can make better posts with the remaining time. | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:30 yamato77 wrote: Rayn, talk to me about Sloosh. Generally when I've played with Sloosh and he's scum, he goes into afk lurker mode and never posts. Seeing as that hasn't happened yet, I'm generally not thrilled with the idea of lynching him. What makes him a better lynch than VE? What has Sloosh actually done that's more than VE? Talked about setup and defended himself. I would not call that as effort. As i said earlier i'm not sure which one of those two i want to lynch, VE looks equally bad. There are questions asked from both of them and i'm waiting for them to answer. As for sloosh lurker moda, this is pretty close to lurker mode... | ||
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Can you post some compilation or even full logs? | ||
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I dunno what do you mean about layabout. What should i look for? I see gumshoe asking questions from him. Possibly thinks he is scum, at least not a townread for him. I don't know what's wrong with that. | ||
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gumshoe why did you mason kholly? | ||
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I'm not as sure about the Sloosh lynch. He hasn't done too much, but having a couple posts defending himself is not so bad in my opinion, simply because he was attacked by several people for his opinion on PMs. Yeah and he could have said "i didn't mean that but this" when people attacked him if we were incorrect. Intentionally getting into an argument and play "i'm too stupid to understand" is a good way to avoid doing anything else. That's what it looks like. Vivax's points on Layabout are good, that's the impression i got from his posts when i read them again. I still want to lynch Sloosh though. | ||
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And why the fuck would anyone vote VE AFTER he claimed? All of these people need to explain. | ||
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Explain this post from scum!rayn PoV: [b]Also, fwiw: Rayn posts end at ~4, and then posts at 6:58, RoL posts event at 7:04, Rayn jumps in at 7:12 going HEY GUYS LOOK AT ME IM TOWN AND HERE ARE PEOPLE I CLEARED. That certainly can line up with Rayn gets online, tells RoL to silence himself, and then goes all LOLOLOL LOOK IM TOWN. given that; 1) I insta-claimed pardoner to Oats who was my first town read 2) I told Oats that i would tell him if i got any claims 3) Gumshoe promised to claim to me before i got silenced 4) I got silenced How do my actions make sense from scum pov, if you are assuming i silenced myself? Or are you assuming that?[/quote] | ||
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@Ace Wtf Ace I don't get it. I never really got you, you made weird decisions before when we played and I'm too lazy to check if you were town or mafia then. I agree claiming is stupid, but VE at least has a provable claim whereas rayn just looks like way too many coincidences. Why did you vote for VE after he claimed America? Especially emphasizing that if he claimed dayvig we should lynch him. tbh i would have totally pardoned VE if i was not asleep. just saying. | ||
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On July 18 2013 18:52 Korynne wrote: rayne: So you publicly say you're going to mason someone. Immediately claim to them with your oh so amazing townread on them, and then claim to town with no provocation whatsoever 30min afterwards. I don't see the point of doing that. You just made the most useless claim possible because you can't prove it. I can prove my claim if needed. Why are you saying it can't be proved? Why would i need provocation to claim an anti-town role in thread as town? Assume for a second i am town, do you think it was wise for me to claim or not? Did you read the part in me/Oats logs where i said "if i hadn't claimed a possible rolecop + scum pardoner will fuck me up". Also none of your actions clear you. It's not like gumshoe is now not going to claim to you because you got silenced. You did something that delays you getting information at worst, and makes you look very clean at best. If you're mafia and gumshoe claims something important to you, killing him still draws suspicion to you, and not killing him means knowingly leaving a strong role around. At best the rest of the mafia has to push for his lynch, because you sure as hell can't with that oh so amazing townread on him. But no, if you got silenced, there's no possible way you betrayed gum, you're so town, it must be because the mafia was suspicious of gum being important after you publicly told everyone that gum is going to claim to you. Oh and gumshoe wasn't exactly happy you painted a giant target on his head, was that intentional too? "less thanks for mentioning the claim stuff...that was kinda private." Of course nothing clears anyone totally. Hell if i led a lynch on scum for the first 10 days that does not make me definitely town. But, if i was mafia, why would i claim pardoner (unless our team didn't have that role at all - in that case i can understand the motive)? When i claimed i just became a target of discussion. Why would i want unnecessary attention as scum (don't get me wrong, i love attention as scum - but not unnecessary attention). Why would i tell Oats i will share all claims with him? Why would i PM-block myself when gumshoe wants to claim to me? How does this make sense? I just prevented myself from having at least one claim, and there is a possibility of via some chain Oats would hear about me having claims if i lied about them to him. I also used a really good power to achieve nothing. PM's favor town far more than scum, if i was scum i would definitely not block myself, maybe my teammate but definitely not me. Almost all the games i have played (that are not on this site) are off-thread comm games, i can deal with PM-shenanigans as town/mafia. In my logs with Oats is an example of one game if you want to look more into my playstyle/capabilities. Btw, holy fuck. I just realized something. Sorry gumshoe. I didn't even understand what i did until now. fml-. :E Oh, how convenient, you were asleep. You saying you would've totally pardoned VE doesn't mean shit and you acknowledge that right? Because at lease VE acknowledged that hey, role != alignment and you're being all just saying, I would've pardoned him, give me townie points for something that has absolutely no value. You are right, that was purely a reactinoary post when i finished reading the thread, believe it or not. At this point my read on you is basically that you are a cocky person (oh look at all these reads I /totally/ know and all these snap decisions I instantly made), you're either really smart or you're just doing random dumb shit as overeager town. At this point I would like to hear from players who have played with rayn in the past re: whether you think rayn is capable of that. And if rayn is not, is it likely for someone else to be smart enough to orchestrate that as mafia and have rayne carry it out like that. If you guys believe it's highly unlikely, then okay, you're just an overeager townie and I'll keep that in mind when reading your posts. =P I am a cocky asshole truth to be told. ;D I use certainties in my reads even if i am not certain, because i hate people saying "this might be that, but then again... idk". What's the purpose of saying so? If you seem like you can't convince yourself you sure as hell will convince others right? I don't consider myself "good" but "decent" as either alignment and yes, i could do that as scum, but i wouldn't. I don't make stupid things that i benefit nothing from as mafia. Who do you think is mafia btw? You gave a long analysis on VE -voters and me and asked some questions from couple of other people. Are they your scumreads atm? | ||
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My pardoner claim really did throw unnecessary attention on me if i was mafia. If people find me suspicious, i can't be lynched, because i obviously will pardon myself. This means i am a vigi target if i am suspicious for people. I have bad experiences regarding this as mafia. In Catch 22 basically everyone thought i was town on N1, except for Coagulation. Too bad he happened to be a vigilante and you can probably put the pieces together in what happened. Oh no, you're so good at PM style games and then make such a huge slip on gumshoe? Do you usually just get all omg let's post everything in the thread especially if you think the people you are talking to are town? Ther reason behind posting the logs was that everyone else could aswell see why gumshoe/Oats are likely town. Or if i am wrong someone could see there is a reason to look for more into them. I honestly was somehow under the impression that everyone is blue in this game, otherwise i had never posted the gumshoe logs. I make mistakes too. In other news, i think MZ, layabout and Sloosh still look bad. When Sloosh/VE both posted their defences at the end of D1 VE came out much better from that. Can someone explain to me what makes Sloosh town? Also Ace, can you start playing for real, please? | ||
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Could everyone who were in PM-contact with yamato post their logs? | ||
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I suggest that if there is a day vigilante alive, they shoot FT so we resolve the situation between him and Ace. It's weird what Ace did and i could see him do that as both alignments tbh. I can also see FT being mafia, but why would mafia not nk DrH in that situation? Afraid of him being medic protted would be my guess. Sloosh, Layabout, MZ: - what are your opinions of the happenings on N1? Mainly the flips and Ace's cop & guilty claim. Vivax: Why are you voting for kholly? Do you think FT / Ace are both town, why? kush: can you post the PM's with marv? ##Vote: FirmTofu I'm rolling with this one. There is DrH's case that i agree with it (the latter part). I can't see why Ace would fakeclaim . The timing of his claim is weird and the fact that he got not killed is even weirder but if FT somehow turns up town we vig/lynch Ace. | ||
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You are half right. I read too. So you didn't investigate FT? | ||
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On July 20 2013 00:53 VayneAuthority wrote: You are confirmed rayn because no sane scumteam would think their silencer is going to die at the first night. There is no way you and him set that up to make you look clear. use logic and it's obvious you are town As for this Ace claim I ain't believing shit after roulette, just gonna keep playing this day normally like it didn't happen. Keep hunting scum and don't just end discussion for the day like it always does It has already pointed out by Korynne why this is not 100% true. You were talking about my claim, what does that have to do with anything (it's what i asked you about in the first place)? Do you think FT / Ace / both are scum? Also lol, my logic is that i am town as my role-PM says so. :D | ||
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[17:07:52] <Oatsmaster> can you look through gumshoe's filter and see if he breadcrumbed anything about his defence? [17:07:00] <Oatsmaster> cause that guy is confirmed town [17:07:17] <raynpelik0neet> what do you mean by "his defence"? [17:07:30] <Oatsmaster> like bodyguard shit [17:07:33] <Oatsmaster> i think its marv [17:07:35] <Oatsmaster> but I dunno [17:07:27] <raynpelik0neet> what, i don't follow [17:07:33] <raynpelik0neet> can you walk me through it [17:07:40] <Oatsmaster> gumshoe is a bodyguard [17:07:43] <raynpelik0neet> yeah and died [17:07:53] <Oatsmaster> he protected someone which means he gets killed if the dude he is protecting is shot [17:07:05] <Oatsmaster> which means the dude he is protecting is confirmed town [18:11] <raynpelik0neet> Oats [18:12] <raynpelik0neet> how do you know gumshoe actually protected someone? Usually BG's do not get notification as they die. How would gumshoe know he protected someone succesfully? Do you know mafia hit someone else than gumshoe? [18:15] <Oatsmaster> lol easy game [18:15] <Oatsmaster> cause he said he did his job [18:15] <raynpelik0neet> .. [18:15] <Oatsmaster> ? [18:15] <raynpelik0neet> why would he know about a succesful protection? [18:16] <Oatsmaster> ah [18:16] <Oatsmaster> true [18:16] <Oatsmaster> but i dunno why gumshoe and not like 3 other dudes more townie [18:16] <raynpelik0neet> because blue? [18:16] <Oatsmaster> anyway it doesnt really matter [18:16] <raynpelik0neet> ofc it does [18:16] <Oatsmaster> cause I dunno who he protected [18:17] <raynpelik0neet> you said mafia hit someone else [18:17] <Oatsmaster> it matters if we know [18:17] <raynpelik0neet> when gumshoe can't know that [18:17] <Oatsmaster> we dont know [18:17] <Oatsmaster> oh the extra info [18:17] <Oatsmaster> right [18:17] <Oatsmaster> i would know who is confirmed town then wouldnt i [18:19] <raynpelik0neet> you kinda said [18:19] <raynpelik0neet> marv is [18:24] <Oatsmaster> i did [18:25] <Oatsmaster> but now I dont [18:25] <Oatsmaster> because no actual evidence [18:25] <Oatsmaster> just speculation Oats was sure gumshoe protected marv. Oats can't know if gumshoe in fact protected anyone and was not hit instead (remember, he was kinda known to be blue) unless he knows he protected someone. And suddenly it's not marv anymore. rofl. Oats is mafia. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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