EPTYou're right, it's always everyone else's fault when someone gets lynched. Good logic there.
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
You're right, it's always everyone else's fault when someone gets lynched. Good logic there. | ||
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slOosh
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On July 18 2013 09:55 layabout wrote: It is not without regret that i will be voting for VisceraEyes today. He made a claim that i see no good reason for town to make. He did not explain it. He did not attempt to confirm it. He simply used it for self preservation. Everytime time he does this i will vote for him. #vote: VisceraEyes other stuff: slightly waffly context: It's important to note that the things you share in PMs and the things you share with the thread are very different. In general stuff in the thread is posted to works towards a goal like getting reaction persuading people directing discussion etc. But in PMs you can talk about the game the big and the small, the little things that you are thinking about but might not want to share with the thread or that you want another opinion on. But a very large part of VE's reason for voting slOosh is that slOosh is PMing VE about the small stuff. Or rather something that VE does not think should be the main focus of the game right now. But what slOosh has done is send a perfectly reasonable PM and VE has tried to use that to tell us that slOosh's priorities are skewed as if slOosh had posted that in the thread. VE's entire reason for pushing slOosh is inflated and intentionally out of context. I challenge you to read malongo's filter and come back and say it justifies VE's efforts in pushing him. VE is scum On July 18 2013 11:33 layabout wrote: kill meapak, he deserves to get lynched and the VE situation will likely resolve itself Explain. | ||
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Ace
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Ace
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On July 19 2013 00:34 Ace wrote: somebody should probably go look at how those votes moved around. I did, towards the end Layabout and a few other people came to the conclusion that Ve would resolve himself, (btw this is the reason we didn't want to lynch Ve, whereas Rayne claim is harder to prove, Ve would be able to reveal his role in a day, thats why lynching him was a terrible idea. I just wish these people would stop defending themselves about it, if theyre town it makes them look shitty, just admit it was a mistake and move on, Ve's lynch was not justified.) We switched onto Meatpak who had been a crappy lurker up till then, and still hasn't contributed anything (and still hasn't masoned meeeeee) we actually were almost set to lynch him, and would have if three minutes before vote KNOLLY hadn't ninja switched back onto Ve. Final vote was Ve six with Knolly, Meatpak 5 without Knolly, had Knoly stayed on meatpak woulda been 6 meat 5 ve. I pmed Knolly early to disprove a stupid theory of his (that scum only get 1 mason, it was distracting that he kept pushing that based on a mistake I made early on) I've been talking to him all game long, trying to get something useful out of him, when I pushed him on ninja voting this was his reason. Gumshoe: What the fuck was that ninja vote, we almost saved ve, why did you take your vote of meapak!? Knolly: He wasn't talking to me in PMs ..... He also didnt bother gracing thread with his reasons for switching. Then he messages me this. On July 18 2013 12:26 FirmTofu wrote: Well, it looks like VE killed himself from where I'm standing. I have no idea why he voted for MZ at the last second, sealing his own fate. Knolly: Doesnt this make you laugh? As if what Tofu wrote was scummier then ninja voting onto a confirmable townie off a useless lurker... Alot of people have glanced over Knolly cause hes too bad to be scum, which I may actually agree with, cause I dont think hes scum, I think hes traitor trying to get scums attention. There was this early on that bugged me What do you think about the concept that scum can only mason 1 person as opposed to town being about to mason two? Oh and don't worry, I'm talking to town. Why even bother mentioning that you might be trying to send a message to scum? Why is traitor on your mind enough for you to feel the need to clarify? I pressed him a bit about it early on but he didnt really reveal much. Later he brought it up of his own accord in pm land. I have some time to play now. This game looks like it is falling apart. We have people who are completely inactive, people fight with vulgar language, the host has posted warnings about cheating, and no mods looking at player's post counts. Too much spam. By now the mafia knows that I am not the traitor. In fact, they are really mad right now. I really want to be able to play in a peaceful game. So, I am writing to you to let you know that I am town. I have also cleansed myself of the trollism in hopes that I can reduce the chaos within the thread. Reply When I questioned him on why he thought scum believed he was traitor, he didnt answer me for a while. Heres our following exchange up until says something really wierd Gumshoe: Ok O-O but how do I put this... The very way you talk is trollish so it's going to be hard for you fight fire with fire. You gotta build a case against someone, preferably someone you find scummy whose not being bandwagonened right now cause this ve lynch is retarded. Maybe take a look at layabout or elaborate on s @b, the problem is town doesn't understand where you stand on a lot of stuff, educate them. Also if you want you can send me your posts before hand and I can try and edit them, only if you want me to though Why do you think mafia suspected you of being traitor? Did they pm or try and contact you? Or use an ability on you? Furthermore Dh,s cheating is awesome, it makes him clearly look like town. And town isn't falling apart, this Is just how day 1 usually goes. Knolly: oh ok, I am unexperienced in writing cases. I have never done this before. What do you think about slOosh? Gumshoe: Toward lynch he got a lot more reasonable, I would provide some stuff but I'm typing on a phone, before that I think people blew what he said out of proportion(regarding not pming) his next few posts were in defence of himself which is null, then he lurked a bit and started being useful toward lynch. So to be brutally h nest I rate him at about the same level as you ) : I do need to go back and nab what it was that I found townie about his posting late in the day, he just came off as if he was trying to focus town at a time of chaos, and he was doing a good job of it from what I remember. Answer my question, why do you think scum thought you were traitor? Have they pmed you? And why did you mention chez earlier, are you really in no way related to him XD your posting is somewhat similar. Gumshoe: What the fuck was that ninja vote, we almost saved ve, why did you take your vote of meapak!? Knolly: He wasn't talking to me in PMs Gumshoe: Goddamit knolls, you make it so hard to love you T-T do you realize how scummy that'll look if ve flips town!? If your town you just ensured two mis lynches. Now can you answer my questions XD Knolly: f5f5f5f5f5f5f5 Gumshoe: What did we agree upon about trolling Knolly: They did not contact me. Gumshoe: Thank you, so why did you think they were angry about you not being traitor? Was your intent to breadcrumb? Are you sure your not Chez XD what's your plan of defence if ve flips town and your actually not scum? Knolly: Well, I know your mafia like 100%. So, I could strike a deal with you right? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- After that I asked him if he just admitted to bieng traitor, I didn't know what else to say XD he said he only admitted to me bieng scum.... But that posts clearly doesn't sound like an accusation. This also makes this early qoute make a bit more sense. Did gumshoe recruit you as traitor? This was directed at Rayne, it was a crazy accusation at the time. But if Knolly is traitor and actually suspected me of being scum, and pushed me into pming him in hopes of recruitment, suddenly alot of his terrible actions make sense. He was trying to drop hints at me... his scum read. In regards to Korynne. I spent an early mason on Rayne, he got blocked, still is, I spent my other mason on Knolls to prove a point and get a read on him, but thats gone as far as it'll go. I effectively have no mason buddy right now. I am likely the only townie in this position. Bieng able to express reads to someone you trust in a game of limited posts is extremely useful for a townie. Also I'm not asking for everyone to mason me, I'm asking for SOMEONE to mason me, because no one has, and I will keep asking until someone does. Do you wanna mason me Kornne? | ||
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VayneAuthority
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marvellosity
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On July 18 2013 12:26 FirmTofu wrote: Well, it looks like VE killed himself from where I'm standing. I have no idea why he voted for MZ at the last second, sealing his own fate. Wow, so much bad in so few words. 1: I think the lurker policy lynch is always a good one to consider. Although they may not necessarily be the best lynch, they do serve the purpose of setting up the lategame well. We don't want our endgame to suffer from inactivity and these types of lynches should prevent that Hmm that sounds like a good point, wonder who said that, yeah that was you. And what was Meatpak if not a scummy lurker? He fit your initial preference, whats so scummy about Ve voting for him? Why didnt you consdider doing likewise, you were clearly around during the final hour seeing as you promptly made this jewel of a post. 2: A townie only knows for sure that he is a townie, it is his duty to make sure that he does not get lynched, Meatpak was a viable lynch and would have happened if not for Knolly, are you telling me that if you were in that exact same spot and another likely lynched popped up you would not vote to save yourself? 3: Why are you trying to justify a bad lynch? It happened, it was party your fault yes, but the point is to acknowledge the mistake and see what it means, instead you spend a precious post insulting Ve and defending your own retarded stance. 4: How many times do we need to say this? Ve could have confirmed himself, why would townies feel the need to vote for him right away? Grrrrr scum post detected. Also thanks Marv your the best ( : I don't really need a mason from anyone else anymore. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
@slOosh dont ask dumb questions @koy there is no point posting analysis at that time because it's too late to start a wagon and vivax was leaving and i didn't feel like anyone was listening to me. you could point to the meapak wagon but he was basically sticking his middle finger up to the thread and when VE gave us more inforamation (although way too late) he became a poor lynch. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
First, I saw some people being like "why in the world would anyone vote VE after his claim?" Basically, I only had a few minutes (my gf was like, "are you playing another mafia game? I need you to help with this stuff") and I decided to vote for the person who I thought had been scummiest all day. I voted right after this post from layabout: On July 18 2013 09:44 layabout wrote: For a 24 player game we have a vote's spread pretty thinly: here are the leaders as far as i can tell and we should not be lynching slOosh. votes sloosh: 5 raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta VisceraEyes VE: 3 FirmTofu yamato77 slOosh snb:2 Vivax gumshoe I felt more confident in VE being scum than sloosh based on their posting, and I wanted more time to try and figure out sloosh in pms by getting him to talk about reads. So I voted VE. Now, looking through what happened after i left the thread. First, there's the drH-firmtofu "steaming pile". Makes me think drH is town, I don't think it likely that a scum could fake that kind of emotional drive. On the other hand, i don't see anything between them to make me think firmtofu is town. In fact, given I exaggerated this statement and said DrH had a strong town read on slOosh so as to elicit a response. DrH responded in kind so I pursued him further. from tofu, the whole thing begins to seem like tofu baiting drh into raging. per drh, this has apparently been a strategy of scumteams before - apparently newb scum were "assigned" to bait him? So here's a question - Tofu, why did you keep having this same argument with drH? Was it really a good use of your time? Something I really don't like is that people apparently policy voted VE because of his claim. I mean, I don't think his claim was a good reason to not lynch him. Claiming is just something that VE does, it's not a reason that he's scum. So that means Ace and Layabout. Layabout at least had other reasons for suspecting VE, and it wasn't a pure policy vote. (he attacked VE's push on sloosh and his reasons for voting malongo). So okay. Although it is weird that someone who's played as many games as Layabout doesn't know how America works. but whatever. Ace is a different story, though, his vote was a pure policy vote: On July 18 2013 23:51 Ace wrote: I voted for VE because I felt like it. Was going to unvote and thats why I asked if he really claimed. When I see that 2 people are silly enough to claim Day 1 I just resign the guy to his fate. We've been through this and he should know that move is bad for Town and we know he is capable of fake claiming. Add in rayne's claim and Scum know who is not the cop or doctor, and either can get lynched for lying in the future if Town. Bad plays but hey I'm not even reading the thread anyway. My problem isn't just that he hasn't posted any of his own reads, that could be explained by replacing in (although this thread is pretty short due to the post limit, so it should be easier to replace into). It's that Ace was drifting through pushing a policy lynch, without even engaging the alignment of the guy he was voting for, and now is focusing on that policy question again after the flip. This is Ace refusing to engage the town and pushing his usual scum agenda. On April 29 2012 14:09 strongandbig wrote: This is from Ace's Mafia Manifesto: Read that and think to yourself, does this or does it not sound like how Ace is playing right now? So unless Ace starts substantially engaging and stops focusing on policies and simple dichotomies (see nuclear winter, where he just flipped scum, for another example of him doing the same thing), I'm calling him scum. And ask yourself, why would anyone who wants town to win say this: On July 19 2013 00:44 Ace wrote: and Scum I'm not the traitor. I'm just playing this game for myself. I've got my own win condition that I've made up for myself. (1/10) | ||
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Ace
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Oatsmaster
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DoctorHelvetica
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On July 19 2013 01:33 gumshoe wrote: Wow, so much bad in so few words. 1: Hmm that sounds like a good point, wonder who said that, yeah that was you. And what was Meatpak if not a scummy lurker? He fit your initial preference, whats so scummy about Ve voting for him? Why didnt you consdider doing likewise, you were clearly around during the final hour seeing as you promptly made this jewel of a post. 2: A townie only knows for sure that he is a townie, it is his duty to make sure that he does not get lynched, Meatpak was a viable lynch and would have happened if not for Knolly, are you telling me that if you were in that exact same spot and another likely lynched popped up you would not vote to save yourself? 3: Why are you trying to justify a bad lynch? It happened, it was party your fault yes, but the point is to acknowledge the mistake and see what it means, instead you spend a precious post insulting Ve and defending your own retarded stance. 4: How many times do we need to say this? Ve could have confirmed himself, why would townies feel the need to vote for him right away? Grrrrr scum post detected. Also thanks Marv your the best ( : I don't really need a mason from anyone else anymore. Do you see what I'm saying about this guy now? No one masoned with me, I think marv or rayn should since I have strong gut feelings both are town. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Why were you so adamant on people masoning you? I mean obviously you think you are town, but it seems a little much to expect people to just trust you? Repeated for people who are confused about VE's voting Yeah so VE got himself killed, which makes zero sense, so I assume he didn't see kholly's vote change. So in the perspective of both players: VE - 5, 6, 5 -> 5, 5, 6 which makes sense, he voted for MZ over Sloosh, he wanted to change his vote and influence the lynch kholly - 5, 6, 5 -> 6, 6, 4 which is a tie... whatever that means for the game. He MAYBE could have known VE was going to switch after since they are in mason contact, but that seems really unlikely we're talking like 5min total here. So he made it a tie between VE and Sloosh, so he doesn't want Sloosh to get lynched? On July 18 2013 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can prove my claim if needed. Why are you saying it can't be proved? Why would i need provocation to claim an anti-town role in thread as town? Assume for a second i am town, do you think it was wise for me to claim or not? Did you read the part in me/Oats logs where i said "if i hadn't claimed a possible rolecop + scum pardoner will fuck me up". I mean, you /could/ prove your claim, at the cost of delaying a lynch. And you also agree that it's bad for the pardon to be used... sooo no not really you can't prove it. No I didn't read it, the logs were too long and there were too many things to catch up on. >_> Read it now, but honestly you seem to be throwing a million roles out there as your assumptions. You think if you didn't make this much commotion mafia would just randomly role-check you? Oh and you think mafia have a pardoner... If you were mafia, AND there's a mafia pardoner (I'm not convinced that's a thing you seem to think there's one of every role or something) I don't think you're the pardoner. A role claim as a mafia only proves that someone on the mafia has that role, not that you personally do. And taking this much heat as a plain mafia goony I think is perfectly fine for the potential benefits of being super green/blue. You claimed the most undiscussable role, don't think there's much unnecessary attention on that. Also if you're going with scum doesn't like unnecessary attention then hey, if anyone is scum they should just get in giant fights in town. Good tip rayn. What's wrong with sharing claims with Oats? Like you said, if he can find out in other channels, then you're just further greening yourself, not really actually contributing. I'm still a little worried about your actions. It's one thing to be like yeah okay I'm cocky I say things for certain when I don't mean them, it's another thing to go INSTA-READ GREEN GG we're now bffs Oats. As a side note, you claiming all this expertise in PM land makes me want to mason you way more than gumshoe who is over there like LOOK AT ME GUYS MASON ME. Oh no, you're so good at PM style games and then make such a huge slip on gumshoe? Do you usually just get all omg let's post everything in the thread especially if you think the people you are talking to are town? Interesting, you claim to be capable of playing this well as mafia. But you wouldn't do it because you wouldn't do stupid things. I find your actions more stupid from a town perspective than a mafia perspective, for what that's worth. Especially given your slip up with gum. @layabout On July 19 2013 01:39 layabout wrote: @slOosh dont ask dumb questions @koy there is no point posting analysis at that time because it's too late to start a wagon and vivax was leaving and i didn't feel like anyone was listening to me. You going to post that analysis now? Don't make promises you don't plan on keeping if you're town... Someone might not have looked closely at Vivax because you said you were going to do it. Also up to now you still haven't given your read on Vivax, you think Vivax is scum or not? That analysis would be a good start to you posting stuff that's actually useful. Re:Ace Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Ace is probably town idiot. Doesn't matter if he plays this blatantly enough noobies eventually start a bandwagon because they get provoked. I would strongly suggest keeping Ace around and not lynching him anytime soon. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
I'm not falling for that one twice in as many weeks. | ||
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Ace
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
On July 19 2013 03:16 Ace wrote: I'm not getting lynched this game MZ. I'm gonna live till the end. When you troll and do crazy shit on purpose you get kept around. Play serious and logical - catch flak from morons. I'm actually a huge believer in this. I'm tempted to burn a PM with you so we can talk about how bad people are without their prying eyes but I already promised gumshoe (I think) a PM and I wanna keep a spare. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
 I'm really not even going to read the thread this game. Just vote on whims and do stuff just because. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
My pardoner claim really did throw unnecessary attention on me if i was mafia. If people find me suspicious, i can't be lynched, because i obviously will pardon myself. This means i am a vigi target if i am suspicious for people. I have bad experiences regarding this as mafia. In Catch 22 basically everyone thought i was town on N1, except for Coagulation. Too bad he happened to be a vigilante and you can probably put the pieces together in what happened. Oh no, you're so good at PM style games and then make such a huge slip on gumshoe? Do you usually just get all omg let's post everything in the thread especially if you think the people you are talking to are town? Ther reason behind posting the logs was that everyone else could aswell see why gumshoe/Oats are likely town. Or if i am wrong someone could see there is a reason to look for more into them. I honestly was somehow under the impression that everyone is blue in this game, otherwise i had never posted the gumshoe logs. I make mistakes too. In other news, i think MZ, layabout and Sloosh still look bad. When Sloosh/VE both posted their defences at the end of D1 VE came out much better from that. Can someone explain to me what makes Sloosh town? Also Ace, can you start playing for real, please? | ||
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