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On June 07 2013 23:58 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 10:10 layabout wrote:
jarjar, vayne and sent look bad but i will go over all that stuff tomorrow Do you still plan to go over jarjar and vayne or have you changed your mind? Also, Vivax has been very forgettable, does anyone have a strong opinion on him?
I did until i got into my promotion series.
Vivax said he wouldn't post a lot but on day1 his posting was focused on the right things, not all that suspicious.
At the moment i am trying to work out what to do about the red check since even though the odd's are in our favour we could have ace and oats both town which would screw us particularly since role-based lynching kills activity. If oats dies and flips town we will lynch Ace tomorrow but it's not a sure lynch.
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On June 08 2013 04:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##unvote
##vote: VayneAuthority
This vote makes the most sense for me. Oats might be miller and Ace might be cop. Who knows. But Vayne is definitely scum. This vote makes the most sense for me.
but wasn't the idea that rayne called vayne town was because he knew he was town?
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I feel like my reads are good right now and town is in a good spot but i'm nervous about oatsmaster since i can see him being town and i really don't want us to get screwed by a miller check.
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On June 08 2013 06:13 Vivax wrote:I don't get why you people are even discussing Sentinel for lynch. My post lays out already that he is most likely town, I'll explain it like you're 5 year old: a) He was pushing Oats all along → Unlikely scum with Oats b) He switched to Ace cause two of his scumreads voted Oats → Unlikely scum with ace (and I don't think that scum would be willing to trade cred for a NK) Unless ace and Oats are both town, Sentinel isn't scum, barring any powerplay where he plays exactly the opposite of how he should. We should keep it as simple as possible and lynch Oats, and if Oats flips town we lynch ace, if Oats was miller then we gambled and lost. Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 06:10 layabout wrote:
I feel like my reads are good right now and town is in a good spot but i'm nervous about oatsmaster since i can see him being town and i really don't want us to get screwed by a miller check. Layabout can you lay out the reasons for why you think he's town?
His playstyle mathces what i have seen of his town, in particular is is suspicious of me again, He wants to lynch prplhz if not Ace and i am inclined to agree with him (but more on that if it becomes a possibilty/ before nks).
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On the other hand Oats tries to suggest that if sentinel is town then i am mafia, which is not how town operates. He actually takes back his prplhz read. I also don't think his reaction to the red check is correct. He isn't playing like somebody that thinks they will die and be confirmed as town. Someone in that position communicates they reads s other can follow up on them. He is trying to get us to kill Ace, his accusor.
+ Show Spoiler [Not really got anything to do with the…] +
We also know that Ace was town cop or is mafia and had cop. Oats is a decent target for an investigate and Ace picking Oats is consistent with Ace's play.
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Since your all discussing [UoN]Sentinel i will add that on balance i do not find him suspicious
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Might as well do it
[/b]##vote Oatsmaster[b]
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well that's embarrassing:
##vote Oatsmaster
jay be quiet the issue we are dealing with is Ace vs Oats everyone has made it quite clear that that's the lynch, there is no point pushing somebody else, it just add noise and confusion.
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On June 08 2013 07:03 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 17:18 prplhz wrote:
This really doesn't seem like anything Ace would attempt as scum.
##Vote Oatsmaster If Ace is scum he can just back out with a Miller MAH BAD bullshit. If anything if ace is as strong a mafia player as so many say he would just fakeclaim like he did on Oats. Then try to talk him self out the second lynch by saying Oats was miller.
If Oats flips town we will not know if he was miller last night and the correct thing to do is lynch Ace. There is no way he can back out.
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If Ace is mafia fake claiming then it's fine since we would be 8 town vs 2 mafia day 4 with scum kp at 1 worst case scenario. This play helps town if there is a scum Ace[spoiler]we are 12vs 3 atm
oats would take it to 11vs3
NK's 9vs 3
ace lynch 9vs2
NKs 8vs2 assuming nk go through[spoiler]
That's part of why i am so worried since i am pretty sure ace is town but if Oats was miller then we have to waste 2 cycles without mafia losing KP in case Ace is scum fake-claiming.
We would go into day 4 with 6t vs 3m (if NKs go through).
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On June 08 2013 07:11 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 07:02 layabout wrote:
well that's embarrassing:
##vote Oatsmaster
jay be quiet the issue we are dealing with is Ace vs Oats everyone has made it quite clear that that's the lynch, there is no point pushing somebody else, it just add noise and confusion. WTF are you going on about. I voted for Ace thank you very much. You're the guy that posted this saying we should not go for ace and oats. Note that after everyone makes it clear we going for Ace or Oats he says this. He tried to derail the lynch off them. But failed and now he goes and says that IM trying to derail it? YOU tried to derail the lynch off them ffs dont tell me to be quiet. Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 11:10 layabout wrote:On June 07 2013 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 07 2013 10:37 layabout wrote:
If mafia get cop they can always make this play regardless of the roleblock. Following the red check is a risk especially when the cop role is still around and more checks can increase our certainty.
If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller. This means Ace will never flip unless we do it ourselves, you know. Or I guess if they're both town. Yeah but lynching either is risky the chance of two town whilst ignoring them grants more checks allowing us to make a better decision. It also reduced the pool of player mafia are likely to shoot at improving the chance of us getting a medic save. We should lynch somebody else.I don't think following the cop is the best play to make in this situation. Especially since the correct(okay strong) play for mafia if they get the cop is to claim a red check. You JUST tried to get people off ace and oats. YOU JUST TRIED AND YOU ARE SAYING IM DOING IT Honestly i would try to lynch you right now. If I was not adamant in killing from the ace/oats pool LAYABOUT IS SCUMMMMMMMMM. We should lynch him after we lynch ace.
Why else would i use the past tense?
You called me scum for not pushing somebody other than Ace or Oats.
My posting has been focussed around Ace's check on Oats. Initially i wanted us to lynch elsewhere. But in the end...
I voted for Oats.
You call me scum for trying to derail an Ace/Oats lynch.
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Have you reread my posts yet?
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urgh not my day :
If Ace is mafia fake claiming then it's fine since we would be 8 town vs 2 mafia day 4 with scum kp at 1 worst case scenario. This play helps town if there is a scum Ace + Show Spoiler +we are 10vs 3 atm
oats would take it to 9vs3
NK's 7vs 3
ace lynch 7vs2
NKs 6vs2 assuming nk go through That's part of why i am so worried since i am pretty sure ace is town but if Oats was miller then we have to waste 2 cycles without mafia losing KP in case Ace is scum fake-claiming. We would go into day 4 with 4t vs 3m (if NKs go through) which would be lylo.
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On June 08 2013 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 07:24 layabout wrote:On June 08 2013 07:11 jaybrundage wrote:On June 08 2013 07:02 layabout wrote:
well that's embarrassing:
##vote Oatsmaster
jay be quiet the issue we are dealing with is Ace vs Oats everyone has made it quite clear that that's the lynch, there is no point pushing somebody else, it just add noise and confusion. WTF are you going on about. I voted for Ace thank you very much. You're the guy that posted this saying we should not go for ace and oats. Note that after everyone makes it clear we going for Ace or Oats he says this. He tried to derail the lynch off them. But failed and now he goes and says that IM trying to derail it? YOU tried to derail the lynch off them ffs dont tell me to be quiet. On June 07 2013 11:10 layabout wrote:On June 07 2013 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 07 2013 10:37 layabout wrote:
If mafia get cop they can always make this play regardless of the roleblock. Following the red check is a risk especially when the cop role is still around and more checks can increase our certainty.
If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller. This means Ace will never flip unless we do it ourselves, you know. Or I guess if they're both town. Yeah but lynching either is risky the chance of two town whilst ignoring them grants more checks allowing us to make a better decision. It also reduced the pool of player mafia are likely to shoot at improving the chance of us getting a medic save. We should lynch somebody else.I don't think following the cop is the best play to make in this situation. Especially since the correct(okay strong) play for mafia if they get the cop is to claim a red check. You JUST tried to get people off ace and oats. YOU JUST TRIED AND YOU ARE SAYING IM DOING IT Honestly i would try to lynch you right now. If I was not adamant in killing from the ace/oats pool LAYABOUT IS SCUMMMMMMMMM. We should lynch him after we lynch ace. Why else would i use the past tense? You called me scum for not pushing somebody other than Ace or Oats. My posting has been focussed around Ace's check on Oats. Initially i wanted us to lynch elsewhere. But in the end... I voted for Oats. You call me scum for trying to derail an Ace/Oats lynch. Yes that exaclty what im doing. You tried to derail the Ace/Oats lynch. When you failed you fell into the background not really giving much of any content. When you saw the trend picking up to Oats you so ok lets join in now. All game you have been hesitant with your reads and your thought process. You always wait till things are finalized to join in or put your input I have been very open with my thought process. It should be pretty clear that of Ace/Oatsmaster i would vote for Oatsmaster. I didn't want to lynch ace/oats because i cant read oats well and i hate rolebased lynches like this because it is all luck based and it changes the game from being mafia-y to coinflip-y. I was late with my vote onto rayne but generally I am late with my day1 vote.
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jay not only are you assuming that i need to be scumbuddies with ace but you conveniently ignore that we have perfectly valid and considerable reasons to be hesitant about this lynch, like the fact that we could end up at lylo if the nightactions have been unkind.
You also completely ignore how i was explaining why i felt ace was not scummy before he even claimed cop. Which is odd since i was responding to you.
When in the game should i have been making a "push of my own"?
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On June 08 2013 09:07 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 08:02 Stutters695 wrote:On June 08 2013 06:47 Stutters695 wrote:
The I can't pull it up on my phone but he trolls way closer to being lynched as town unless there are some scum games I haven't seen where he does main difference between town oats and this game that I can tell is oats usually tries a bit harder as scum and is more likely to troll until he's lynched as town.
It's a shitty metric but I can't read him for shit. I always think he's scum, expect the one time I played and he actually was.
Too hard to link on my phone, here's the quote it hit buried pretty quick Oh thought your meta read had more to it. I haven't been focusing to much on Oats I think that Ace is mafia and there is no way that both ace and Oats are mafia. So Oats gets a free townie pass from me. I dont know Oats meta so i can help ya much in that regard. I do not like how the way this lynch is going tho. Everyone is just piling onto Oats. I mean I guess if Oats flips green which i think he will then. We go after Ace. But I really dont see Oats being red. Im surprised that Ace tried to derail the rayn lynch so bad and people just let it go. He had bullshit reasons for starting that. Even now hes afk and not giving a fuck about town.
Ace is scummy for trying to derail the rayne lynch and switch to Oatsmaster.
On June 06 2013 04:05 jaybrundage wrote:
oh i forgot
##UnVote
##Vote FUBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Also we need some people to get in here S0lstice, Ace come to mind maybe some more layabout
You wouldn't do anything like that would you?
If you are town you need to be less attached to your reads and more attached to the thread.
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sucks that when i am around and feel like posting no one else is
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Ace got on the Rayn wagon early left it. Went on Oats then came back on it because of Fuba's reasoning saying it was sound reason for why Rayn could be scum. He thought he had a valid reason for trying to lynch Rayn. But later in the day he compiled the votes and said that if people were voting for Rayn cause he was inactive then it might be a mislynch. This doesn't make any sense and doesnt follow logic.
I already address this yesterday
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18818249
The reason that most voted for him was because he had a town read on vayne for correctly identifying his playstyle and saying that it wasn't alignment indicative.
He was scummy because his townread didn't make sense from a town's perspective.
When people know my playstyle (or rather my bad play and me being lynchbait) They defend me and i give them a town read because of that. This is silly.
Also what are you talking about more attached to the thread I have dropped my reads when I don't think they agree with evidence from the thread. So far I have had scum reads on S0lstice, Fuba both which I have dropped when I didn't think it made sense from what was going on in the thread. I have conflicting feelings about Sent but i see alot of scummy things in his play. I have since picked up ace as a scum read last night. And you just recently :D Isn't that swell Before the end of day 1 you called oatsmaster town, Ace scummy and me scummy. And that is what you are doing now. I also feel that you have not attempted to try to understand my viewpoint because your happy to look busy yelling "scum".
On June 08 2013 10:19 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 10:15 layabout wrote:
sucks that when i am around and feel like posting no one else is You wish you were so lucky
Yeah because an entire hour of just me didn't pass. /sarcasm
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dammit misread stuff.
jay if you as town are doing what rayne did which gave him away as mafia then i think i have identified a problem with your townplay.
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On June 08 2013 11:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
boop.
Ace Fakeclaimed red cop check on me.
Stutters, that one game I played around because I thought it was the fastest way to get out of being lynched. Not the case. So I wont do it again.
I mean, who has been in the thread. Me.
Who hasnt? Ace.
Who doesnt talk when townie lynch is imminent? Scum.
Oats your going to flip today. We already know that you think Ace is scum. Do other stuff. Useful stuff.
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