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On June 06 2013 05:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
What a terrible lynch this is. No one thinks it's strange that there's only a single wagon? Who here actually expects rayn to flip red?
Not really. It isn't like the case made on rayne is super weak. If you've got a better target then I'm willing to hear it. Otherwise I'm guessing you want a no lynch? It's plurality votes win so we'd have to explicitly vote for it.
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On June 06 2013 05:26 jaybrundage wrote:
Im curious why is rayn getting so much votes. He just seemed to not be very active. I recall someone saying that he is usually more active is that the main reason people are going for him?
It just seems like everyone is consolidating but im not sure why on him :o
On June 06 2013 01:02 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 13:12 Stutters695 wrote:
And Fuba just sniped me. Fuba if you had to dictate a lynch today who and why? Give us something to work with. Sorry, passed out soon after my post. There's been lots of unexpected stuff popping up, distracting me from the game. The most concerning one is taken care of, so I'll be less distracted. In any case, it's unlikely I could have given you an answer. As I said, D1 I typically sheep someone I feel pretty strongly is town, on someone that person has convinced me is scum. I don't really dictate lynches D1. The only time I've actually "dictated" a lynch was at the end of Doctor Who mafia, which surprised even me in its insistence upon my lynch, as well as the fact that I was actually right XD If you'd insisted on an answer, I probably would have said vayne, since he's the one that's been on my mind the most, and I saw him as having the most potential to be scum, despite not having done anything I would call overtly scummy. While he's still on my mind, I have a different lynch target at the moment. SlOosh brought up a good point about rayn that makes me comfortable with a vote on him. His reasoning for having a town read on vayne is pretty scummy. Thinking someone's town because they accurately describe your playstyle doesn't show the level of suspicion that I'd expect from a townie. I mean, it's easier than trying to make a fake case against someone you know is innocent. It's up there with talking exclusively about setup speculation and asking the host questions to appear active. ##Vote: raynpelikoneetI previously found sentinel town (no specific reason, just general feelings after reading his posts), but I'm going to take a closer look at him since slOosh brought him up. Also, we're falling on different sides of the oats debate, which is interesting because we both just played in a scum oats game. I can believe that town oats believes Ace to be a legit lynch, since I have *kind of* the same feelings. Problem being, I don't like playing hypocritically, and if I vote Ace for activity (whether or not I expected more from him), then I might as well vote myself (though that would be playing against my wincon  ). I haven't seen anything that would pick out Ace as scummier than anyone else in the game, so I'm not voting for him today.
highlighted in bold. I think it is the main reason people are voting rayne. It's a pretty solid line of reasoning. If people are voting for him based on inactivity and not this case then yea we might be mislynching the guy.
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On June 06 2013 05:28 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 05:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
What a terrible lynch this is. No one thinks it's strange that there's only a single wagon? Who here actually expects rayn to flip red? Not really. It isn't like the case made on rayne is super weak. If you've got a better target then I'm willing to hear it. Otherwise I'm guessing you want a no lynch? It's plurality votes win so we'd have to explicitly vote for it. My case against Oats:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2013 21:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:##Vote Oatsmaster His gung-ho Ace-is-def-scum-guys push seems so contrived. I can't imagine he can actually act so cocksure, especially when his reasons are so weak. Here's his reasoning (which btw came 12 hours after his vote): Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets lynch Ace guys.
His contributions have been setup speculation, and a random vote on WoS, and defending mkfuba for basically no reason. Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good.
He never explained his vote and he doesnt seem intent to.
WAGON OF JUSTICE! I don't want to really defend Ace since he isn't exactly playing pro-town, but these reasons are terrible: - "His contributions have been setup speculation" - Ace just made one post saying we should claim and report results. Oats was the one prodding him further which forced Ace to talk more about it - "random vote on WoS." - OK, I'll agree w/ this one. Random votes are lame. I'd like to see him explain if he actually has a reason for voting WoS or if it was truly random. - "defending mkfuba for basically no reason." Here's the post he's talking about: Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 02:04 Ace wrote:On June 05 2013 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 05 2013 01:56 Ace wrote:oh, well of course  I was thinking someone would be like "that claim is bullshit!" then we have to force people to read the OP. Again. lol, how do you feel about mkfuba strolling into the thread and just choosing something random to quote then peacing out? I like to to call that illusionary participation unless thats common for him or something slightly bad but nothing damning at the moment. He could easily have just left the forum after asking. His "Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good." is dumb. How is that post supposed to make Ace look good? Ace was specifically asked what he thought and he answered. How can that possibly be seen as scummy? Not to mention the fact that there's plenty of people posting "defences" for other people On June 05 2013 22:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 22:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Whoop
OMGUS from a newbie.
Wonderful. Huh? You voted him without explaining your vote. Something that you're accusing him of. Yes, you eventually gave your weak reasoning. I don't buy how you can be so sure of yourself with such a bad case. I feel like it's an act. And here's something else you accused him of while doing the same thing: Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
...defending mkfuba for basically no reason. Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good. Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 21:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Jay does his n1 mislynch NA in like every game.
Its not alignment indicative.
Its likely that the most active player day 1 isnt scum so lets not lynch WoS.
So does defending 2 players in the same post make you like twice as likely to be scum?
Also I think the fact that the votes went to rayn so quickly when it looked like WoS was in danger of being lynched is telling. I wouldn't mind a WoS lynch here.
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I read your case against Oats. I was afk so I didn't get a chance to respond to him so he may be gone. I'm waiting for him to come back and answer me because I was going to vote him before I read the rayne case. I'm going to see check the votes on the rayne wagon and see what's up.
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Rayne voters:
Zephirdd, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Vivax, Stutters, Vivax, layabout, Ace, [UoN]Sentinel
Zephirdd: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807061
Activity and rayne taking things out of context. Based on his post this is looking more like an activity reasoning.
mkfuba: made the case on rayne
Wos: also made a case on rayne
Vivax: looks like from questioning rayne. Is just as up for a Vayne lynch. Not inactivity, but a best of the worst lynch.
Stutters: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632&user=276621¤tpage=3
looking at his last filter page I think it's an inactivity vote since he mentioned me and I was also afk.
layabout: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807613
says rayne tries to discredit him, lies about him
Sentinel: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18808864
sheep/gut read
Of these 2 are votes with really strong reasoning, another which comes off as vengeful (layabout) but equally valid since his feeling could be legit. All the other votes could be lumped into inactivity/not strong but rayne will do. And mine which is based on furba's case. That means half the wagon is voting for rayne based on inactivity and the other half because we think he is likely scum more than anyone else. I don't know if that is enough to actually overturn the wagon on him in 2 hours.
The only person I'd consider at the moment over rayne is Oats and I don't think many people are up for lynching him.
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Have to run for a bit but I'll be back before the deadline just in case there's actually a good wagon to jump on. Gonna repeat that I think this is a bad lynch.
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On June 06 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:Rayne voters: Zephirdd, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Vivax, Stutters, Vivax, layabout, Ace, [UoN]Sentinel
Zephirdd: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807061Activity and rayne taking things out of context. Based on his post this is looking more like an activity reasoning. mkfuba: made the case on rayne Wos: also made a case on rayne Vivax: looks like from questioning rayne. Is just as up for a Vayne lynch. Not inactivity, but a best of the worst lynch. Stutters: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632&user=276621¤tpage=3looking at his last filter page I think it's an inactivity vote since he mentioned me and I was also afk. layabout: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807613says rayne tries to discredit him, lies about him Sentinel: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18808864sheep/gut read Of these 2 are votes with really strong reasoning, another which comes off as vengeful (layabout) but equally valid since his feeling could be legit. All the other votes could be lumped into inactivity/not strong but rayne will do. And mine which is based on furba's case. That means half the wagon is voting for rayne based on inactivity and the other half because we think he is likely scum more than anyone else. I don't know if that is enough to actually overturn the wagon on him in 2 hours. The only person I'd consider at the moment over rayne is Oats and I don't think many people are up for lynching him.
Rayn can 100% get me to switch my vote off of him if shows up in a bit like he says and performs as I would expect him to.
Ace knowing how Oats plays why do you say Oats is a good lynch?
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On June 06 2013 06:02 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:Rayne voters: Zephirdd, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Vivax, Stutters, Vivax, layabout, Ace, [UoN]Sentinel
Zephirdd: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807061Activity and rayne taking things out of context. Based on his post this is looking more like an activity reasoning. mkfuba: made the case on rayne Wos: also made a case on rayne Vivax: looks like from questioning rayne. Is just as up for a Vayne lynch. Not inactivity, but a best of the worst lynch. Stutters: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632&user=276621¤tpage=3looking at his last filter page I think it's an inactivity vote since he mentioned me and I was also afk. layabout: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807613says rayne tries to discredit him, lies about him Sentinel: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18808864sheep/gut read Of these 2 are votes with really strong reasoning, another which comes off as vengeful (layabout) but equally valid since his feeling could be legit. All the other votes could be lumped into inactivity/not strong but rayne will do. And mine which is based on furba's case. That means half the wagon is voting for rayne based on inactivity and the other half because we think he is likely scum more than anyone else. I don't know if that is enough to actually overturn the wagon on him in 2 hours. The only person I'd consider at the moment over rayne is Oats and I don't think many people are up for lynching him. Rayn can 100% get me to switch my vote off of him if shows up in a bit like he says and performs as I would expect him to. Ace knowing how Oats plays why do you say Oats is a good lynch?
I said I'm considering. He was my original choice before I got the point in the thread concerning rayne.
On June 06 2013 04:42 Ace wrote:
Oats I was afk and you've singled me out for not doing jack shit. even though I was around at the start of the game. Iirc you were the one prodding me for answers which I gave. How come you singled me out to be lynched and no one else?
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I'd lynch Oatsmaster over raynpelikoneet.
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I also find Oatsmaster's Ace push really contrived.
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well everyone is afk and the lynch is in an hour and a half.
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I'm here. But my vote is already on Oats. I'd also be plenty fine w/ a WoS vote @ this point. Especially in light of his latest post. Oh he'd 100% switch his vote if rayn shows up and performs? W/ < 2 hours left he knows it's extremely unlikely to get everyone to switch to another target so what's the point of saying that?
Wave, let's say Rayn does show up and convinces you he's town. Who would you switch to?
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On June 06 2013 06:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm here. But my vote is already on Oats. I'd also be plenty fine w/ a WoS vote @ this point. Especially in light of his latest post. Oh he'd 100% switch his vote if rayn shows up and performs? W/ < 2 hours left he knows it's extremely unlikely to get everyone to switch to another target so what's the point of saying that?
Wave, let's say Rayn does show up and convinces you he's town. Who would you switch to?
You are so ridiculous.
First:
A point for him is the last post where he attempts to question others about his read on me, which is a town Rayn thing to do, but then he disappears, which is decidedly NOT.
I am fine with a Rayn lynch today if activity continues as is.
From my earlier case. If his activity doesn't continue as is, wouldn't it follow that I'd be fine to not lynch him? Considering he started to show his regular way of posting in the post where he asks about his case on me, I'd conisder it.
But even more interesting is the fact that you say this, and yet you say:
Have to run for a bit but I'll be back before the deadline just in case there's actually a good wagon to jump on.
This is different because?
Now as far as who I'd switch to, I'm honestly not sure atm. Oats doesn't look like a good lynch to me simply because I don't see any differences between how he is playing this game and what made me think he was scummy in Carnival Cruise. Ace returning and seeming to care about the lynch makes me not want to lynch him (not that I did earlier anyway).
Interestingly enough, both solstice and stutters have promised activity and have not delivered.
On June 05 2013 23:08 s0Lstice wrote:
gentlemen, there's been a bunch of stuff conspiring to keep me away from a computer. Later today I should have time to catch up. I've been following loosely on my phone, so a closer read should be quicker than usual.
On June 06 2013 03:49 Stutters695 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + girlfriend was naked and rolling around on the floor.
Friend was naked because he had pissed himself on my rug while his boyfriend ran and jumped into the pond to go swimming.
Other friend shit himself and the fourth guy threw a beer into my neighbors face who laughed it off.
My trip was really uneventful by comparison, but goddamn. shrooms, not even once On topic Rayn seems like a good lynch.
Ok, maybe Stutters didn't promise activity but I hate when people sheep without providing reasoning.
JJD if you think Rayn is a mislynch, would you say there are scum on this wagon?
If so, how many and who?
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Okay guys I don't think it's fair to lynch rainpelikoneet today simply because I think that his work excuse is legit. There are a lot of votes on him because of his relative inactivity which I don't like at all. The only reason to lynch raynpelikoneet is his VayneAuthority town read. That someone is very right about you should arouse some suspicion but I remember in that game where yamato77 smurfed he was really right about me and somehow that also made me get a very strong town read on him (he was scum I was town).
I also don't think it's characteristic for scum to martyr in the way he does. There are no feelings in it, just some very collected thoughts about how "if you want to lynch me for inactivity then do it on day1 because it will not get better", that's actually very reasonable but it's not anything scum would say and I think scum would be much more emotional about martyring.
In short, I think raynpelikoneet is a bad lynch today and I really don't think we should lynch him. He's actually contributing really well considering that it appears that he really doesn't have much time for this game and the weird VayneAuthority read is not enough to make me want to lynch him.
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There's still an hour left so people give a holla if you're around.
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### unvote
Thread activity died since I came back and I think this is fiisht. For the remaining people voting for rayne do you believe he is really just inactive or just Scum?
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ugh I've been kinda busy since my last post, why did the activity rise up @_@ and I have to go in 15min too
I think rayne is far less useful than Oats, because I think oats is being too stupid for a scum but he is active, and rayne said he'd have work for 1.5 weeks. also rayne's last post:
On June 06 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Im honestly not sure who i do want to lynch.
I know i do not want to lynch prpl, Stutters or Oats.
Im still at work for ~2h, i hope i can convince you then (probably not, as i have and will be busy for a week still). If you can't find real scum, lynch me, as i doubt i can meet your expectations with my level of activity, as my play revolves around my interactions with other ppl. I'll prolly be a liability close to lylo (or @lylo) so.. Yeah..
I'll be back.
This was 3:15 hours ago. He has 45 minutes to convince the whole thread(me not included, I'll be away) that there is someone better to be lynched, and claims that he will be a liability close to/at lylo.
Yes, I am lynching him under the basis that he is useless, rather than the basis that he is most likely to be scum. Simply because my scum read is not a scum read anymore(ie. I think WoS is town) and I don't have a strong scum read atm, so I go for the second option.
I'm out
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Im around Im not on rayn but who would you guys wanna get oatsmaster? I havent read to much on him. As far as i can remember he was just tunneling ace. But I dont see him as very scummy. Going gong ho trying to lynch a vet doesnt seem like something scum would do.
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All people that do not want rayne lynched hop on the mkfuba wagon, its numbah wan
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