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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 05 2013 19:05 GMT
#461
oh i forgot

##UnVote
##Vote FUBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Also we need some people to get in here S0lstice, Ace come to mind maybe some more layabout
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 05 2013 19:05 GMT
#462
Didn't see Jay's post, reading now
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
June 05 2013 19:09 GMT
#463
On June 06 2013 03:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Here's the thing Vayne.
You don't have to write long posts that are right or wrong, but you have to do something useful if you actually care about winning this game as town.

If you're scum then continue to play as you are, I guess.

Vivax, if you had to lynch someone other than Rayn, who would it be?
Sentinel?


I'm still waiting for Sentinel to answer a bunch of questions, but I don't see much reason to lynch him yet, I would like him to answer to SlOosh's case cause it raises some valid points.
If I had to lynch someone else, it would probably be Vayne, but he plays so carelessly that it gives me doubts.

Rayn is probably our best bet anyway.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 05 2013 19:11 GMT
#464
On June 06 2013 04:09 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 03:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Here's the thing Vayne.
You don't have to write long posts that are right or wrong, but you have to do something useful if you actually care about winning this game as town.

If you're scum then continue to play as you are, I guess.

Vivax, if you had to lynch someone other than Rayn, who would it be?
Sentinel?


I'm still waiting for Sentinel to answer a bunch of questions, but I don't see much reason to lynch him yet, I would like him to answer to SlOosh's case cause it raises some valid points.
If I had to lynch someone else, it would probably be Vayne, but he plays so carelessly that it gives me doubts.

Rayn is probably our best bet anyway.

Have you considered S0lstice or Fuba at all :o
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 05 2013 19:23 GMT
#465
## unvote
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 05 2013 19:29 GMT
#466
On June 06 2013 04:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Didn't see Jay's post, reading now


Actually I guess I prematurely answered it since I was accusing rayn of his behavior while jay was typing his post.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 05 2013 19:34 GMT
#467
On June 05 2013 14:07 slOosh wrote:
Ok, time for updates of thoughts before going to sleep.


Who I want to lynch: [UoN]Sentinel

I think his approach to Ace's claim post was skewed. Why bother pointing out that the plan is not as gamebreaking as it initially seemed? He questions the plan, but doesn't offer up why it is detrimental to agree to it, nor does he offer a better plan as an alternative. Seems more likely an approach scum would take rather than town.

I don't have a better one, and it's decent but not as good as Ace implies. I don't want to blindly invest in a fallible plan, but it is still a good starting point to finishing the game in favor of town.

He voting for WoS is weak.
1) WoS wants to lynch a lurker. Sentinel is a lurker so he doesn't like this. Nothing here that indicates WoS is scum.

I am a lurker and I am town. I want to avoid a mislynch and I would also like to live, hence I am upset.

2) WoS doesn't ask people if he is scummy, he asks a couple of players who recently played scum with him what their opinion of his play is.

Which is a scummy thing to do. You don't ask other people of the quality of one's play. It's like probing the water to see how good one's disguise is.

3) It is a very uninvested vote. He doesn't express a desire to get WoS lynched (only provides explanation for the sake of himself, not to convince others to vote him), and neglects to talk about any other suspects.

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel


Couldn't find any at the moment. Right now there's Oats' crap posting and maybe I'll side along with the rayn vote because I don't like how he's ignoring me. Actually it's funny because I was ignoring him too. Makes me a hypocrite I guess.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
June 05 2013 19:35 GMT
#468
On June 06 2013 04:03 jaybrundage wrote:
-snip-
Note the reason he gives is because rayn has a town read on Vayne. So instead of lynching vayne who he has been playing with for a while. He just jumps on rayn because he is starting to roll as a wagon. He includes some reason as rayn seeing vayne as a town read for a wierd reason. If rayn just said he had a gut read on Vayne would that be better? Its a convoluted reason imo. I dont see the real reason for the switch from vayne to rayn.
-snip-

That's not the reason I gave. Town reads on vayne are perfectly fine. I, myself, just gave a slight town read on him. The reason I gave for rayn being scum is that his town read on vayne is based entirely around vayne doing something that anyone, of any alignment, could do. It's something scum can do easily to make themselves look like town, while not actually contributing their own thoughts. It's something that I wouldn't expect a townie to be convinced by, but something that scum would be enticed by.

I didn't just jump on rayn because his wagon started. I wasn't convinced by the other cases. I was convinced by this one. If you don't like my reasoning, you're free to disagree with it.

As for the bolded, in all honesty it probably would be better. At least in the sense that I would not find it as scummy. I find "no definable reason" to be better than a scummy reason (at least until we see some flips).

And finally, there was no "switch" from vayne to rayn. You make it seem like one led to the other, when they're completely independent. If rayn had given that reason as a town read for *anyone* I would have had the same reaction.

Here's a question for you: Do you think that someone explaining your playstyle is indicative of their alignment?
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 05 2013 19:38 GMT
#469
In case i am not around:
##unvote
##vote raynpelikoneet
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 05 2013 19:42 GMT
#470
Oats I was afk and you've singled me out for not doing jack shit. even though I was around at the start of the game. Iirc you were the one prodding me for answers which I gave. How come you singled me out to be lynched and no one else?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 05 2013 19:59 GMT
#471
##vote rayne
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 05 2013 20:04 GMT
#472
Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy.

Going with my gut I guess.

##unvote
##vote: raynpelikoneet
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 05 2013 20:07 GMT
#473
Vote Count - Roughly 3 hours remaining:

VayneAuthority (1): [UoN]Sentinel, prplhz, Vivax
Ace (1): Zephirdd, Oatsmaster
JarJarDrinks (0): Zephirdd
Zephirdd (0): prplhz, Oatsmaster
jaybrundage (1): layabout, s0Lstice
WaveOfShadow (1): Ace, Zephirdd, [UoN]Sentinel, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority
Oatsmaster (1): Stutters695, JarJarDinks, Zephirdd, [UoN]Sentinel
prplhz (0): Oatsmaster, Stutters, layabout
Stutters695 (0): raynpelikoneet
s0Lstice (0): jaybrundage
[UoN]Sentinel (1): slOosh
raynpelikoneet (8): Zephirdd, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Vivax, Stutters, Vivax, layabout, Ace, [UoN]Sentinel
mkfuba07 (2): VayneAuthority, jaybrundage

Not voting (0):


raynpelikoneet is currently set to be lynched!
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 05 2013 20:08 GMT
#474
On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy.

Going with my gut I guess.

##unvote
##vote: raynpelikoneet


dont see how it can but why would you think that?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 05 2013 20:20 GMT
#475
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 06 2013 04:35 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 04:03 jaybrundage wrote:
-snip-
Note the reason he gives is because rayn has a town read on Vayne. So instead of lynching vayne who he has been playing with for a while. He just jumps on rayn because he is starting to roll as a wagon. He includes some reason as rayn seeing vayne as a town read for a wierd reason. If rayn just said he had a gut read on Vayne would that be better? Its a convoluted reason imo. I dont see the real reason for the switch from vayne to rayn.
-snip-

That's not the reason I gave. Town reads on vayne are perfectly fine. I, myself, just gave a slight town read on him. The reason I gave for rayn being scum is that his town read on vayne is based entirely around vayne doing something that anyone, of any alignment, could do. It's something scum can do easily to make themselves look like town, while not actually contributing their own thoughts. It's something that I wouldn't expect a townie to be convinced by, but something that scum would be enticed by.

I didn't just jump on rayn because his wagon started. I wasn't convinced by the other cases. I was convinced by this one. If you don't like my reasoning, you're free to disagree with it.

As for the bolded, in all honesty it probably would be better. At least in the sense that I would not find it as scummy. I find "no definable reason" to be better than a scummy reason (at least until we see some flips).

And finally, there was no "switch" from vayne to rayn. You make it seem like one led to the other, when they're completely independent. If rayn had given that reason as a town read for *anyone* I would have had the same reaction.

Here's a question for you: Do you think that someone explaining your playstyle is indicative of their alignment?


@Fuba while obviously there are exceptions to every rule. But over the course of quite a few games I have found out that players who define my playstyle (as being lynchbait) and stop a lynch from going to me on day one.. Are usually town. Scum have no motive to do this they can just let the wagon roll.

While you may think this line of reasoning is scummy. about 80%-90% of the time when im town and someone else defends me and tells everyone that im lynch bait that person defending me is also town. So yes i do find it alignment indicative.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 05 2013 20:22 GMT
#476
On June 06 2013 05:08 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy.

Going with my gut I guess.

##unvote
##vote: raynpelikoneet


dont see how it can but why would you think that?

I vote for him -> looks like a last minute bus
I don't vote for him -> looks like conveniently ignoring him
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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
June 05 2013 20:23 GMT
#477
What a terrible lynch this is. No one thinks it's strange that there's only a single wagon? Who here actually expects rayn to flip red?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 05 2013 20:24 GMT
#478
But anyone can explain your playstyle. It's a null tell. You weren't in danger of dying and someone says "this is how jay plays". I think you're being hasty giving them Town cred there and not thinking about the situation correctly.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 05 2013 20:26 GMT
#479
On June 06 2013 05:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 05:08 Ace wrote:
On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy.

Going with my gut I guess.

##unvote
##vote: raynpelikoneet


dont see how it can but why would you think that?

I vote for him -> looks like a last minute bus
I don't vote for him -> looks like conveniently ignoring him


How is it a bus? I may have missed it but I didn't notice you pushing rayne late.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 05 2013 20:26 GMT
#480
Im curious why is rayn getting so much votes. He just seemed to not be very active. I recall someone saying that he is usually more active is that the main reason people are going for him?

It just seems like everyone is consolidating but im not sure why on him :o
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
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