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TheDavison
157 Posts
What have you done this cycle to justify your high horse position. All I recall is OMGUS on me with zero analysis. If You are town you should be ensuring a lynch occurs. This game in general has too much driftwood/dead weight and we need to eradicate it. ALl tom does is create barriers to a lynch. But when it comes to pushing one he is very short on substance. Dead weight | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
BUt it is a high horse because you havent contributed anything significant this cycle and now have the power to derail any lynch from occuring. You are potentially the keystone to preventing a no lynch. And whilst i can respect that you tjink tom is town. I cant reconcile the lack of effort to produce a better alternative | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
HOwever if someone gets itchy fingers. The lynch goes to poop. LoOking at H3 here | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
Smccoy made the case day3 And a.mcgann found points against h3 day2. Im on phone but the case I wrote is full of spoilers. And starts off talking about apologising foe long post | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
No vote changes should count | ||
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TheDavison
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TheDavison
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U just participated in a mislynch. And there is no remorse. Straight onto next guy. Where is reviewing where things went wrong. Now two days in a row... DIsgusting. | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
That you throw mud at him so quickly only makes me think between hw and h3 it is you that is scum. Your vote on Dr.t was still over compensated. Especially now to confirmed town tom. All u keep promising is you will prove you are town, and then nothing happens. I like a h3/mcgann team. Both seriously delayed voting Dr.t. Mcgann is seriously uninvolved, and then constantly threatens to boycott the game if challenged. H3 is just broken promises. At least eccleston demotivated post felt genuine at the to,me, I just wish henwqas more present. Same with hw, he has a bluntness u think is hard to fake. And in my opinion has a different motive to h3. Hartnell is blunt in a transparent way. H3 is blunt in a passive aggressive way. I will do a filter dive on everyone after the night kill, but so far I like h3 / mcgann. | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
On June 08 2013 09:44 Hurndall3 wrote: @smcc look at my most recent post on ecc There are things he says that look VERY town, even if his play isn't very pro-town. MSmith's vote analysis makes Ecc look very bad, but there's one problem with MSmith's argument: It assumes that PT is town. If PT is scum along with DrT, then suddenly his entire analysis is irrelevant. Actually. i beg to differ, but will present something different. I am cleaning the house currently, and was thinking about the game and was musing in my head: why would Eccleston try and get a SMcCoy lynch? Anyone who read the game will know SMcCoy is town for two highly specific reasons from Day1. (1) The back and forth with Dr.T is genuine and could not be faked. They were playing cat n mouse, and SMcCoy won. and more importantly (2) MSmith1, (who is confirmed town) kept saying he completely agreed with the points SMcCoy was raising. i.e. MSmcCoy is thinking EXAXTLY like a well-reasoned townie should. Regardless of lowering presence since Night 1, SMcCoy is town. Eccleston 2.0 said he read the game, this should be abundantly clear. Yet when SMcCoy has a badly-timed vent; who tries to pounce on the opportunity? Eccleston 2.0 who has done nothing since coming in. This can only come from scum agenda. I actually believe Eccleston when he said he was demotived.. he came into a game and was a lynch candidate for things he didnt do. However, contrast this with my behaviour. I came into the game as a lynch candidate, and knowing I am town, I had the confidence to immediately rebut the cases put forth against me. Eccleston on the other hand, is demotivated as the points are valid. I start sticking up for him, and suddenly he has the confidence to push scum agenda (i.e. lynch SMcCoy). Yet did not rebut any of the cases against him as promised. This is pretty damn scummy. So in short, I could not reconcile why a townie would try and push for a SMcCoy lynch. Just cos the guy had a badly timed vent, does not make him scum. I think this action was a scum slip from Eccleston. I also coultn reconcile his "demotivated" post. Because it was written in a way that was very hard to weird (i.e. the paragraphs was all in one block). I think this was a specific tactic by Eccleston to hide behind. I dont think he lied about being demotivated (because replacing in, when votes are cast on you is demotivating for both town and scum). Come Day4, I am voting for Eccleston. Will figure out last scum after Eccleston is eliminated. | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
i reckon trying to setup mccoy. GG A.McGann | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
Eccleston is town is dead (i.e Tom + A.McGann) BTW, for all those doubting McCoy because he is still alive & the past 2 days has been a touch wishy-washy between targets. Just think of personality 2 with Marv. He was town, and the leader.. and scum kept him alive to impose doubt (and because he was on the wrong path). I still think smccoy is town for the reasons i listed earlier. peace out. | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
Look I didnt vote with Hartnell because I haven't made up my mind on what to do this day yet. My plan of attack is: I am going to re-read each day, and jot my pro/cons of each player for each day. This will probably be my last post until this action is done. I will give you this H3. I also need to re-read PT very carefully. I have assumed PT2000 is town based on effort alone [since every fucking town read has just decided to disappear] - not because he was right about Tom. I need to check what he has been pushing and if the thoughts are genuine. H3, if Eccelston is town. Try and explain to me why a townie would push SMcCoy out of all people? Even when SMcCoy had a fit and said he just wants you/HW "OUT". You two didnt try to lead a lynch. Where is town motivation for this? And do you think my scum motivation is over the top (i.e. saw an opportunity to stab the town leader in the back in a vulnerable moment?) | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
On June 08 2013 11:52 Hurndall3 wrote: ECC's townstory is consistent and believable. He did not read the game carefully enough to comprehend SmCC's towncred. Can't you see how someone saying "bad town is pissing me off I want them to die" can be construed as scummy? Because it looks like he wants to lynch people for being bad instead of being scum. Here is a question: Why would scum push SMcCoy at that time? Really there is no reason. there were plenty of other scummy townies (myself included) that would be better choices. Well yes, that is perhaps a valid reason. But it all hinges upon assuming Eccleston did not do his due dilligence when reading. Thats not really something we can quantify - at least meaningfully. Regardless, I thought I already gave a reason scum would try to push SMcCoy. He was vulnerable. Perhaps I am grasping at straws thinking scum could be bold enough to make that play. However, I will admit, his "vent" in conjunction with lowering thread presence made me start to question my read on him at the time. As I said before, I am going to do a thorough re-read of each day; and then I am going to do a thorough re-read of each dead players filter. Only then will I know who I want to vote for this cycle. Im sick of lurkers coming in, and laying down votes with weak justifications. I almost want to policy lynch someone this cycle - and hope I hit scum simultaneously. | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
Eccleston 2.0: I genuinely can not tell if English is your first language. My suggestion is this: If you want to maintain McCoy as a lynch candidate, then rebut these two points I made earlier. On June 08 2013 10:18 TheDavison wrote: Anyone who read the game will know SMcCoy is town for two highly specific reasons from Day1. (1) The back and forth with Dr.T is genuine and could not be faked. They were playing cat n mouse, and SMcCoy won. and more importantly (2) MSmith1, (who is confirmed town) kept saying he completely agreed with the points SMcCoy was raising. i.e. MSmcCoy is thinking EXAXTLY like a well-reasoned townie should. Regardless of lowering presence since Night 1, SMcCoy is town. If you can not do that, then I suggest you concentrate on finding out who the second scum is. Otherwise, I would imagine you will be majority voted regardless of whether town/scum. Ver is right as you pointed out, you can not share every thought. | ||
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TheDavison
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From the first page I already know who to vote for. + Show Spoiler + ##Vote: Eccleston Ecclestons scummy openers have been done to death but I will outline my issues anyway. On May 29 2013 17:33 Eccleston wrote: Reporting in. Why do you prefer guessing at the scum team instead of trying to generate constructive discussion? This is just so damn aggressive, especially for a first post. I have been assuming that he acted like this because MSmith1 RNG'd him as scum. But when I think about it, as town you are confident.. you know you can prove yourself town. Therefore when name calling like that happens, you just brush it off. The only reason I think a townie would write that post, is if they are trying to alpha-male the town leadership. However, clearly Eccleston never aspired that far. Outcome: Leaning Scum On May 29 2013 17:41 MSmith1 wrote: ... What would you have preferred me to say three posts into the game? On May 29 2013 17:45 Eccleston wrote: Setup speculation, lynching policies ... something that you can reply to. Another weird response. Since when is discussing lynching policies conducive to scum hunting? Everyone that plays mafia beyond the newbies, understands that policy discussion is what scum *LOVE* to keep town focused on. They are guilt-free lynches, and you dont have to create fake cases. I don't think this post by itself is scummy; but it is very weird. Because he raises issues, but doesn't provide solutions. He could have easily said "lynching policy.. .how about this" (which A.McGann actually asks in the next post) Outcome: Very slightly leaning scum On May 29 2013 18:06 Eccleston wrote: From what I could see the setup is normal except for the KP delay function. It will not affect lynching until end game though, so I guess it doesn't. Mr. McGann seems friendly enough. As for you, I don't know... Are you an angry villager or a murderous italian? Your reactions look valid from both perspectives. Trivial Point, but he was aware of KP delay function instantly. Now, some people read the OP, others dont (including me). So i won't call him scum for knowing the scum specifics of play. But, if he is town and knows this.. why not create discussion around it? Especially because he called out others for not being constructive. Instead, he makes a blunt comment I dont understand.. "it will not affect lynching until end game".. and then tries to segue this into a useless a comment about A.McGann which says nothing AND MSmith1 where he avoids calling him town or scum (uses the words. villager/italian). Note, he was actually asked to share his thoughts on alignment. "Friendly" is not indicative of town or scum... Outcome: Null on its own, Very slightly leaning scum with the other points. Now, heres the pearler. And somehow, I dont understand how we all missed it. (Apologies if someone has raised it, I genuinely dont recall) On May 29 2013 18:40 SMcCoy wrote: Hello. I took note of Eccleston's aggressive entrance. His latest post suggests that he doesn't know what to make of MSmith. I have bad vibes about him. My first guess would have been to assume that scum did not post yet, they have no interest in driving discussion at early stages. That is what I assume. Eccleston's strange paranoid behavior with subtle criticism suggests that he has differing methods of finding scum or that he is trying to look like he's scumhunting by voicing quick, exaggerated suspicions with not much reasoning behind them. At first criticizing very early posts and then proceeding to call someone's actions ambiguous without specifying why. We might just differ in our methods but I will be observing this subject during our stay and beg him to keep posts as informative and objective as possible. On May 29 2013 22:17 DrTennant wrote: This is actually the scummiest post in thread in my opinion super ambiguous and actually says nothing. Says he took note of whatever that means offers some reasion why eccleston's posts might be interpreted as scummy then leaves justification for why it might not be. Why so wishy washy? You scum? Now: We all know Dr.T got lynched for this post. i.e. "Why so wishy washy? You scum?" We also know Dr.T was scum... so the question I asked myself was. Why would scum be motivated to make this post in the first place? Consider: early game, the objectives of scum are the same as town. (1) Establish your innocence (2) Blend in OR Assume town leadership It is ONLY after this phase that you start looking for "bad town" to setup as "scum". In his first post, Dr.T forgoes establishing innocence and throws out the artillery straight away. Not only aggressively attacking SMcCoy, but labelling him the "S" word (uscumbro). This is a big deal; as the post was not conducive to establishing the innocence of Dr.T, nor did it allow him to blend in. Secondly, the post was laced with too much aggression to try and establish a town leadership position. The key to Dr.Ts motives SMcCoy was confessing his confusion with Eccleston. i.e. He doesnt expect scum to be in the limelight early Day1.. yet everything Eccleston is doing doesnt add up as town. Its actually not wishy-washy at all. The reason Dr.T made an aggressive attack on SMcCoy as his first post To fling shit at SMcCoy and lower his credibility because he was suspicious of Eccleston. Its that simple. He was protecting a scum buddy. And decided to forgo establishing his innocence, which led to his demise. ##Vote: Eccleston | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
On June 08 2013 17:56 Hurndall3 wrote: *edwop early game aggression is NOT alignment indicative Disagree. As follows: + Show Spoiler [Motive] + Early game aggression may *NOT* alignment indicative during early game. However, as people are removed from the game, and alignments elucidated; early game aggression *does* become alignment indicative. Because you can start to figure out motive. As I pointed out in my case: scum have a typical modus operandi when the game starts. Blend in via establishing towniness, and then allow the bad townies to get lynched. This is the safe play that almost every game of mafia follows. Occasionally scum will try to assert themselves for town leaderships, which still requires them to establish towniess regardless. + Show Spoiler [Dr.T "Dirty Hands"] + Now Hurndall3, if what you say is true and Dr.T found "town wishy-washiness" with SMcCoy I am confident he would not have tried to ostracize SMcCoy so vehemently. Scum want to suggest "bad points" so others pick up the torch and do the pushing. i.e. Scum don't want to get their hands dirty and become accountable in any game of mafia But this did not happen.What we found this game is that Dr.T not only got his hands dirty, but he also became immediately defensive. We all know how this panned out: he was lynched. Because its so important, I shall repeat it one more time. Dr.T did not need to come out "guns blazing" to try and discredit SMcCoy. He could merely have pointed out an observation - which satisfies scum objectives so much more efficiently. It sows doubt, establishes that he cares -> towniness, and keeps his hands clean. A perfect trifecta. H3, even you noted Eccleston early game play as follows: On June 08 2013 08:29 Hurndall3 wrote: I think Dr.T noticed this as well, and felt the need to provide "cover fire" for Eccleston, hence the breakaway from scum safe play. ...Regarding Eccleston... his early game record looks really scummy . This actually then becomes a very good reason for why he became immediately defensive. (In his mind, its like.. WTF!! i just tried to divert attention from you, and now I am the prime suspect...) Hurndall3, what I want to know are two simple things. (1) Why do you feel compelled to answer on behalf of Eccleston constantly? Your last 2 pages of filter are regurgitating "Eccle is town", and not producing cases for scum. (2) Why is early game aggression indicative of "leaning town". | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
On June 08 2013 19:42 SMcCoy wrote: Now I feel confident in giving H3 a townread. Congratz buddy. I hope this is a fuckn sarcastic post. Cos I have a case on H3 ready to go. All starts with this: On May 29 2013 23:01 Hurndall3 wrote: yup mccoys post is scummy as fuck. until he makes himself seem more town: ##vote smccoy (Ties in precisely when Dr.T came to Eccleston rescue) Lynch Eccleston, then H3. GG, no re. | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
I think H3 is last scum. but just want to focus on one guy I think my Eccleston stuff is conclusive. As for McGann NK.. cos my first thought was.. wtf, why is mccoy still alive. It made sense when H3 tried to use it as a "well it means Eccle is town" | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
Why dont you comment on my eccleston case. And if you think Im scum, then you deserve to be lynched/not killed. | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
But go ahead and make the case on td2. Btw. Im still waiting for comment on my eccleston case. Im not letting you ignore it. And this is now second time I ask. | ||
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