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 . Xzavier seemed to be a scum (after following Umasi's accusations) but then he had some awesome pro-town posts. What to do!? What to do!? | ||
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On June 07 2013 02:25 Gotard wrote: Xzavier seemed to be a scum (after following Umasi's accusations) but then he had some awesome pro-town posts. I am more confused than sure of anything (and I think I should be in game like this). This is like someone calls a random guy scum and then you have other guy saying "YEAH! BURN HIM!" for no good reason. | ||
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Yes but only a little (like 25% scum) What's special about me, or him working with anyone? Nothing special I'm paranoid and sharing my first impressions where every post looks suspicious for no reason. I should add that my opinions are based more on feelings than pure logic. On June 07 2013 06:15 Spicydinosaur wrote: If someone could translate what the hell Gotard is saying I would be gratefully appreciative. you need terrible English -> English translation? | ||
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On June 07 2013 05:40 Gotard wrote: If i had to vote now i would lynch you or Xzavier but a the same time it's way too risky to kill the most active (potential) allies. | ||
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On June 07 2013 06:35 Umasi wrote: When why would you NOT lynch me, or firere, or someone else who is objectively more scummy? You are fist on my list and Xzavier was 2nd and i expressed my doubts about him in the same sentence I accused him. 2nd vote doesn't matter much if you only have one. It was like "if you are a scum he might be one as well".On June 07 2013 06:35 Umasi wrote: It doesn't matter if you think he was too quick to team up with me, that's not actually relevant here. If he's a pro town influence, why consider him as a lynch over others? It's relevant if someone rushes to join someone else's accusations it might mean that he isn't townie. Few pro town posts during first day dosn't mean that guy is innocence. You can never be 100% sure who is who and you can throw random votes on people if you have even one small reason. I know I've made some big mistakes and I hope you won't lynch me today PS unfortunately I have to go to sleep. See you later today (00:01 in EU ). | ||
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On June 07 2013 07:09 Xzavier wrote: even if its 00:01, this might be a omfg i need to stop posting and hope this blows over so the conversation shifts away from me. Very very suspicious time to go to sleep (not the actuall time on the clock, but when the topic starts pointing at you) It's good reason to go to sleep when you need to wake up at 5 am  . There was no reason for conversation to shifts away over night without me posting unless someone would benefit from that. I have to go now and I will be back in 8 hours or so. | ||
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On June 07 2013 14:23 Umasi wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475 I think we can draw parallels between Gotard and Misder that are not trivial: Ver: Gotard: Like, right from the fucking get go. And he acknowledges that he made a mistake (see above), which I take as basically apologizing. Why would he apologize? For holding a contrary read? Imagine you're playing your first game and then read first few pages after game started. People seem to know really well what they are doing. I had two suspects and this at point and i wanted to share my thoughts. And everyone made a huge deal that i even dared to suspect Xzavier. And by the way emphasizing inexperience as a way of overcompensating might be used in every multiplayer game. If you think of it imagine you are a townie and you post something that looks scummy for more experienced players. What is your firsts reaction? Because I do apologize when I make a mistake that can hurt not only me but also my team. Problem is that you "wasted" a lot of time investigating me. Now let's go and find a real scum, shall we? On June 07 2013 21:52 Spicydinosaur wrote: I don't think Gotard is scum, just a very newb townie. His posts are completely lacking in self confidence and he gives the minimalist of readings on Xzavier and Umasi. His thoughts can be boiled down to "I'm really confused as to who may be mafia but if I had to take a guess I think its Xzavier or Umasi because i think i saw some sheeping going on." But the thing that makes him townie.... he doesn't change his story when pressed. He defends it, knowing he's in a tight spot. If he were scum I'd expect him to back down or change in some way. But he keeps at it... he's not typing some smartly conceived thought, but his gut reactions. Thats more town indicating than scum. Spicydinosaur you are smart To Xzavier: You are overreacting. I've never voted to kill you. Umasi was much more suspicious than you. 99% of my posts addressed you because everyone asked to explain myself "why Xzavier". And my reasoning was plain and simple as Spicydinosaur pointed. On the bright side of life every time I post I get more and more votes! Oh wait a minute... it is not good to get votes in this game | ||
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On June 07 2013 22:41 Spicydinosaur wrote: @Gotard Who do you think is scum at this point? Look through filters of people and tells us what you think. But most importantly, EXPLAIN why. Onegu - 70% Town. Looks like he dosn't like useless discussions and seems pro-town to me. tE_ - I don't know this guy. Who is he? Firere345 - 30% Town. It really seems like he really wants to kll people. If you look at his last questions he wants me to answer good old shit again and again to waste even more time. Do you really want me to quote his pro-town posts when everyone considers him pro town? StiMaDDicT - "GL&HF!" I'm having fun living on the edge and how about you? fferyllt - 80% Town. But it might change really fast. I don't see anything really suspicious. Spicydinosaur - 90% Town. He understands my braindeadness* even after asking for translation On June 07 2013 06:15 Spicydinosaur wrote: If someone could translate what the hell Gotard is saying I would be gratefully appreciative. Gotard - Only true town. Awesome dude! No way he's mafia with those posts! Right!? Xzavier - 75% Town. He's pressuring me really hard and i don't think he would do that if he was a scum. He's in a spotlight with me and I don't think mafia member would risk that to lynch some newbie townie Yavanna - ???. I'm confused. A lot of irrelevant posts. Umasi - 50-50. He writes so much. Time to chill dude! He's like Firere345 on drugs! Trys to find people to lynch exaggerates and accusations. After answering his question i became suspect number one! On June 07 2013 05:30 Umasi wrote: Gotard, what's the difference in contributions between you and those two? All I really understand from your first post is that you're new and feel inferior. I'm new and feel inferior, but have tried to do what I can, even if it's bad! So say what's on your mind! On June 07 2013 05:34 Gotard wrote: Math dosn't lie I have like infinity times more posts. If i had to vote now i would lynch you or Xzavier but a the same time it's way too risky to kill the most active (potential) allies. (two posts combined) Skanjab1s - 40% Town. Jumping with votes like creazy sometimes without really explaining why. And then On June 07 2013 22:08 Skanjab1s wrote: He did backtrack though from his initial post, he initially said that if he had to lynch, it would be between Xzav and Umasi, but after being pressured he said that he doesn't actually want Xzav dead. I expressed my doubts in my first post and then listed him anyway as my 2nd suspect IvLosK! - 70% Town. Wierd and confusing begining of the game need much more posts from him. LoneMeow - 75% Town. Town wibe in general but little activity it might be suspicious. My votes for now (in random order): -Firere345 -Skanjab1s -Umasi Ok 2nd question I will answer On June 07 2013 23:59 Umasi wrote: That said, can you explain what mistake you were apologizing for? Saying that I suspect Xzavier when I was 50-50 about him with just a hunch and not really evidence. Which caused townies to waste their time focusing on me *I know words like that don't extist | ||
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On June 08 2013 01:03 Spicydinosaur wrote: Skanjab is not going to be lynched today barring some huge slip on his part. Right now the votes are between you and Firere345. If you don't want to get lynch you should make a miraculous case and get your vote on Firere345. It was random vote from my scum list I will change it later if I will have any chance to stay alive. | ||
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##unvote ##vote: Firere345 | ||
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I agree with fferyllt. LoneMeow's filter looks suspicious. On June 07 2013 19:05 LoneMeow wrote: Gotard's posts are extremely weird, jumping in and straight away pushing lynch on you who most seem to find the strongest town read at the moment. Even weirder that he's pushing his second best scum read instead of the best. On the other hand, this is such a suicidal move that it makes me wonder if scum would dare do something like that. Your case on him seems pretty good, but I still worry that he might be just overeager townie since as said, the move seems too suicidal for scum to dare try. I'm fine with lyching him if he doesn't provide better input, though. If you read my filter I didn't really try to lynch Xzavier on day 1. It was more like "Hey, this guy could be a scum but at the same time He's helping town so I don't really know". Ok I looked like a scum for a moment but you took my words and overreacted really heavily. At the end pressuring me gave us great results and we were able to find a scum. And about "jumping in and straight away pushing lynch" that was my first post because I only post during EU afternoons and evenings (but he couldn't know that) and I had to go through a lot of text before posting.. On June 07 2013 20:59 LoneMeow wrote: It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so. This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash. And changes he's mind (is he trying to save his friend Firere?). Look at the timing Firere was going down hill at this point and it was really close (after his vote Firere345 (5), Gotard (4)) On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote: Crap, running out of time. Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town. Main suspects right now: Skanjab1s and LoneMeow. | ||
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On June 08 2013 20:36 Onegu wrote: Why do you think gotard is still scummy? I would like to hear this please. I get the feel of newb town not scum and with fireres vote on him makes me feel even stronger in that opinion. I think he had to vote on me doesn't matter if i'm town or not. Not voting on me would be even more suspicious it was his last chance to stay alive. | ||
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I will quote myself. On June 08 2013 00:40 Gotard wrote: Skanjab1s - 40% Town. Jumping with votes like creazy sometimes without really explaining why. And then I expressed my doubts in my first post and then listed him anyway as my 2nd suspect He was pressuring me way to much but i'm unsure because it seems like he was fine with lynching Firere. And at the same time he thinks that LoneMeow is a scum. He's posts after first day look much better. | ||
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I think it's good time for LoneMeow to explain everything. | ||
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On June 06 2013 14:41 Umasi wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid to go it alone. I want to win, and I'm not confident in myself, so other people expressing doubt like that makes me feel more uneasy. I guess I have shitty reading abilities, but I'm actively trying to improve it. I'm not mindlessly tunneling you, I feel like I've tried to read what you had to say in a pro-town light, but I don't see why you are saying what you're saying. And my list may have been shitty. If so, ignore it and move on. If you don't ignore it, and it helps you achieve some understanding of the game, then it wasn't useless! If it confuses you, it was bad! So was it bad, null, or good. Did it confuse you, did you ignore it, or did it help you understand the game. Everything you say pisses me off, and that makes me think you're mafia. It's possible you're town! There's always a possibility! It's a possibility my role pm lied! And keeping my options open is important, because someone could come and make a convincing case you are town. I'm not going to just continue tunneling you, that's STUPID. If there is a better lynch than you, I will HAPPILY VOTE IT. At this point, I think you are the best lynch, and have the highest chance of flipping mafia, according to my shit reading abilities. On June 07 2013 14:23 Umasi wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475 I think we can draw parallels between Gotard and Misder that are not trivial: Ver: Gotard: Like, right from the fucking get go. And he acknowledges that he made a mistake (see above), which I take as basically apologizing. Why would he apologize? For holding a contrary read? And also this list is looking really interesting Gotard (4): Umasi, Firere345, LoneMeow, Xzavier | ||
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On June 10 2013 03:36 Onegu wrote: Just a quick question on this? Why ask for a vig kill on him so strongly, i find this quite scummy actually. I am not sure the case is so solid either, people said the samething on gotard and that didnt really turn out so well. Unless the case is a complete slamdunk I dont believe the vig should kill definitely not the first night. But why would be do that as mafia? If you do things like that and person that you request to kill turns out to be town you are in really bad position next day. | ||
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Mafia or not? You can't be sure but this is interesting: On June 07 2013 03:37 Yavanna wrote: Atm I'm interested in hearing from firere and LM. It's hard to judge someone who disappeared before the most important parts of this game. ##Vote: LoneMeow He's defense and argumentation seems desperate to me. | ||
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On June 10 2013 22:08 iVLosK! wrote: ##Vote: Xzavier Your posts have been piss poor since the D1 flip in which you attempted to save a confirmed scum. Agree but i don't know if I should choose LoneMeow or Xzavier. | ||
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On June 11 2013 03:19 Umasi wrote: As I talked myself through it, I became more and more sure that Yavanna/Lonemeow was the team. What about Yavanna mentioning Xzavier all the time? On June 06 2013 11:31 Yavanna wrote: @spicy, how long should we wait before we start applying said pressure? I think Xzavier said something around 20 hours. I mean how much time spent inactive do you consider lurker status? On June 06 2013 15:43 Yavanna wrote: Xzav, you seem to have your shit together. Probably my strongest town read atm and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna sheep the shit out of you in the future. Now that I've ruffled your feathers, maybe you'll help me out a bit. Just so I know we are on the same page, you think iV is town now? I would concur with that analysis. Is it too early to ask for your opinion on anyone else who's posted so far? Humor me, I'm bored as shit and looking for some good convo. On June 06 2013 16:10 Yavanna wrote: nm, shoulda refreshed before I posted. whoops. Word, if Xzav flips scum I will bow to him. lol On June 06 2013 16:24 Yavanna wrote: I'm sucking up to Xzav because he, so far, has impressed the balls off of me. When/if he drops the ball I'll make sure to be the first to catch it. | ||
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On June 06 2013 13:01 Umasi wrote: We, as town, do not want emotional. We want thought and logic. This this post was always really suspicious to me: On June 08 2013 07:30 Xzavier wrote: Fuck me. sry gotard. i feel bad about this. you woke up at 5 am to respond to me ##unvote ##vote gotard the claim on firere is weak. im going with my gut and my case. I really want to look into lonemeow tomorrow My priorities so far: 1st - LoneMeow 2nd - Umasi and Xzavier I am still super confused if Xzavier is mafia or not | ||
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I'm really busy Do we need to vote today or tomorrow? | ||
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On June 16 2013 23:41 Spicydinosaur wrote: GG everyone. Remember in future games that even if someone is acting scummy.... does it make sense from a scum view. Gotard almost got mislynched because of it and Xzavier lost his head. That was my strategy to get almost lynched. | ||
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