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On June 13 2013 12:42 Umasi wrote:
Ffer, how do you get xzav being anything but null out of the yavanna interactions?
at that point in time i was one of the most town looking people, active making pro town posts. the godfather was trying too hard to get on my good side, thats how i see it now. And thats why its a null read.
IF were both mafia, why the fuck would you tie yourself to each other, that wuold be something you would post in the mafia quicktopic, not this one. O.o
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one fucking second:
ONE FUCKING SECOND:
On June 06 2013 13:56 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 13:53 iVLosK! wrote:On June 06 2013 13:50 Umasi wrote:
iV, you DO care if people trust you.
THAT IS HOW YOU WIN THE GAME
You can't be correct on every read and win without convincing everyone else to go along with your read. Wait for it... Wait for it... On June 06 2013 13:50 Xzavier wrote:
##unvote iVosk! Huh, I guess he trusts me. And I did it all without making some shitty "plan" that I'm not going to follow anyway. Go figure. The plan talk was just something to get to shitflinging. We got there. im curious as to what else should be done.
Why not CONTINUE THE SHITFLINGING
he wasn't asking for it, this is explicitly your motivation.
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On June 13 2013 12:46 Umasi wrote:
"it wasn't exactly my problem"
of course it's your problem.
it's mafia, everything is your problem.
modkills arnt my job. stop saying pointless shit like that
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ebwop:
On June 13 2013 12:48 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 12:42 Umasi wrote:
Ffer, how do you get xzav being anything but null out of the yavanna interactions? at that point in time i was one of the most town looking people, active making pro town posts. the godfather was trying too hard to get on my good side, thats how i see it now. And thats why its a null read. IF were both mafia, why the fuck would you tie yourself to each other, that wuold be something you would post in the mafia quicktopic, not this one. O.o
which is why it is null.
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On June 13 2013 12:48 Umasi wrote:one fucking second: ONE FUCKING SECOND: Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 13:56 Xzavier wrote:On June 06 2013 13:53 iVLosK! wrote:On June 06 2013 13:50 Umasi wrote:
iV, you DO care if people trust you.
THAT IS HOW YOU WIN THE GAME
You can't be correct on every read and win without convincing everyone else to go along with your read. Wait for it... Wait for it... On June 06 2013 13:50 Xzavier wrote:
##unvote iVosk! Huh, I guess he trusts me. And I did it all without making some shitty "plan" that I'm not going to follow anyway. Go figure. The plan talk was just something to get to shitflinging. We got there. im curious as to what else should be done. Why not CONTINUE THE SHITFLINGING he wasn't asking for it, this is explicitly your motivation.
you continued the shitflinging, and look where it got you that day.
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It's not pointless, it's true.
Everything is your problem in mafia, don't just be like "eh they'll get modkilled SOME day. w.e.w.e, we can ignore it t.t
it pays to be worried about everything anyway, as town.
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On June 13 2013 12:49 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 12:48 Umasi wrote:one fucking second: ONE FUCKING SECOND: On June 06 2013 13:56 Xzavier wrote:On June 06 2013 13:53 iVLosK! wrote:On June 06 2013 13:50 Umasi wrote:
iV, you DO care if people trust you.
THAT IS HOW YOU WIN THE GAME
You can't be correct on every read and win without convincing everyone else to go along with your read. Wait for it... Wait for it... On June 06 2013 13:50 Xzavier wrote:
##unvote iVosk! Huh, I guess he trusts me. And I did it all without making some shitty "plan" that I'm not going to follow anyway. Go figure. The plan talk was just something to get to shitflinging. We got there. im curious as to what else should be done. Why not CONTINUE THE SHITFLINGING he wasn't asking for it, this is explicitly your motivation. you continued the shitflinging, and look where it got you that day.
Yes, I did continue the shitflinging!
But what's wrong with doing it on an entirely new target who is objectively acting unbelievably suspicious?
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On June 13 2013 12:51 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 12:49 Xzavier wrote:On June 13 2013 12:48 Umasi wrote:one fucking second: ONE FUCKING SECOND: On June 06 2013 13:56 Xzavier wrote:On June 06 2013 13:53 iVLosK! wrote:On June 06 2013 13:50 Umasi wrote:
iV, you DO care if people trust you.
THAT IS HOW YOU WIN THE GAME
You can't be correct on every read and win without convincing everyone else to go along with your read. Wait for it... Wait for it... On June 06 2013 13:50 Xzavier wrote:
##unvote iVosk! Huh, I guess he trusts me. And I did it all without making some shitty "plan" that I'm not going to follow anyway. Go figure. The plan talk was just something to get to shitflinging. We got there. im curious as to what else should be done. Why not CONTINUE THE SHITFLINGING he wasn't asking for it, this is explicitly your motivation. you continued the shitflinging, and look where it got you that day. Yes, I did continue the shitflinging! But what's wrong with doing it on an entirely new target who is objectively acting unbelievably suspicious?
go back and re-read day1. i think your memory might be a little off.
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On June 13 2013 12:42 Umasi wrote:
Ffer, how do you get xzav being anything but null out of the yavanna interactions?
The yavanna interactions eliminate him as a teammate in my mind. An experienced scum player with nerves of steel and ice in their veins will chat up their scumbuddies in a game thread but it goes against scum instinct to separate, distance, ignore and null-read each other. It boggles my mind that Yavanna would pull that off in her first ever mafia game or that Xzav would react without a ton of caution if he were her partner
Look at the Yavanna/Firere interactions to get a sense of how inexperienced scum behave with each other in the game thread.
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Xzavier, what is off about my memory of day one?
Two things ffer:
One: WHY WOULD XZAV NOT FIND HER SUSPICIOUS AND CALL HER ON IT. I found her suspicious and I'm not even xzav. t.t
The way xzav has been playing would lead me to believe he would call someone on that kind of thing, that's just how I feel he has been this game. I don't know his meta, he doesn't have a meta. But, with my perception of him, he would call her on it if he were town.
Two: Firere/Yav hardly have interactions, I think it's entirely possible Yav was just being an idiot and xzav was like t.t go away, compared to calling her on it.
I admittedly don't know why he wouldn't correct her in the scum qt, but all of this talking, if memory serves, was kinda rapid. It would be awkward to switch between the scum thread and this thread, which may go quite a way.
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On June 13 2013 13:11 Umasi wrote:
Xzavier, what is off about my memory of day one?
Two things ffer:
One: WHY WOULD XZAV NOT FIND HER SUSPICIOUS AND CALL HER ON IT. I found her suspicious and I'm not even xzav. t.t
The way xzav has been playing would lead me to believe he would call someone on that kind of thing, that's just how I feel he has been this game. I don't know his meta, he doesn't have a meta. But, with my perception of him, he would call her on it if he were town.
Two: Firere/Yav hardly have interactions, I think it's entirely possible Yav was just being an idiot and xzav was like t.t go away, compared to calling her on it.
I admittedly don't know why he wouldn't correct her in the scum qt, but all of this talking, if memory serves, was kinda rapid. It would be awkward to switch between the scum thread and this thread, which may go quite a way.
The bolded is exactly right. The confirmed scum hardly interacted. And Yavanna even said she was willing to lynch Firere. THAT is how newb scum act.
Xzav was reveling in being townread and viewed as a town leader and not just by Yavanna. You were openly willing to sheep his vote. Sheeping his vote wasn't scummy, but it was kinda ill advised given that ALL of the more experienced players were on a different wagon.
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On June 13 2013 13:16 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 13:11 Umasi wrote:
Xzavier, what is off about my memory of day one?
Two things ffer:
One: WHY WOULD XZAV NOT FIND HER SUSPICIOUS AND CALL HER ON IT. I found her suspicious and I'm not even xzav. t.t
The way xzav has been playing would lead me to believe he would call someone on that kind of thing, that's just how I feel he has been this game. I don't know his meta, he doesn't have a meta. But, with my perception of him, he would call her on it if he were town.
Two: Firere/Yav hardly have interactions, I think it's entirely possible Yav was just being an idiot and xzav was like t.t go away, compared to calling her on it.
I admittedly don't know why he wouldn't correct her in the scum qt, but all of this talking, if memory serves, was kinda rapid. It would be awkward to switch between the scum thread and this thread, which may go quite a way. The bolded is exactly right. The confirmed scum hardly interacted. And Yavanna even said she was willing to lynch Firere. THAT is how newb scum act. Xzav was reveling in being townread and viewed as a town leader and not just by Yavanna. You were openly willing to sheep his vote. Sheeping his vote wasn't scummy, but it was kinda ill advised given that ALL of the more experienced players were on a different wagon.
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this this this this this.
please fucking read this.
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Alright.
Here's what I'm not getting around my apparently big stupid head, and currently three things I want explained:
Why was Xzav even considering a mass claim if he's read so many guides
Why would scum bus day one when they could have saved their partner, or why would they have even voted someone else when they could have saved their partner
Why did xzav give yav a free pass despite being openly unbelievably idiotic in her buddy-buddy with him
I do not accept the "I was waiting for more interactions with her". I think that's bull crap.
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Also, Onegu: do you still think Xzav is scum, given the way he has defended himself/what he's said?
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On June 13 2013 12:42 Xzavier wrote:i said something hinting to it, but i didnt want to bash the fuck out of her at the very start of the game, i was going to wait to see a few more posts from her and not judge her based off that alone. But she never posted anymore so it wasnt exactly my problem, and she was modkilled accordingly, also i asked you to quote this: Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 01:44 Xzavier wrote:On June 06 2013 23:24 fferyllt wrote:I'm going to go against the current here and say that Yavanna worries me a bit because she's being awfully nice when going for clarification. The self-deprecation that comes with her questions to players. Stuff like "Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town." Or this to xZAv "Now that I've ruffled your feathers" what ruffled feathers? Yavanna you agreed with xZav in that post.
And yet with assurances that you'll be plenty abrasive when the time comes. On June 06 2013 16:23 Yavanna wrote:
Shit I'm sorry...? Should I put on my bitch face? I mean there's like 3 people talking here. When someone comes into the thread that I should jump on I will, but I haven't seen anything to make me do so yet. I'm really not so nice all the time but those of you who I'm conversing with are townie as fuck imo. Should I pull an iV and attack you just for shits? On June 06 2013 16:30 Yavanna wrote:
Ermahgerd...I can feel the Vlosk coming!! RAAAAGGGGEEE!!
No but in all seriousness, I just don't see the point in being an asshole unless its warranted. When I think someone is doing something scummy I'll jump all over their ass and not feel bad about it in the least. I'm not seeing any sign of this iron fist in the velvet glove. Yavanna is working for minor clarifications from her town reads, mostly, which isn't such a great place to put a lot of effort. i believe that she meant she didnt want to flatter me overly too much lol. thats the way i read it atleast. but yeah, this might be because she is new, but she does seem overly apologetic and it is suspicious when somebody says i dunno who im gonna vote for, so im going to sheep you, this early on. I mean id be okay with her saying she was going to sheep me if she had absolutely no reads, but this is almost giving her an excuse not to try and make reads/find mafia. kinda like saying here, you do the work. and then ofc not having her name attached to it anywhere. now tell me again that i was buddy buddy with her?
thats not exactly a free pass, thats saying "your looking pretty suspicious, start being useful or some questions might arise" now, i am wondering if you even read this post. read the bolded and tell me it was a free pass again
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Okay I will make this part towards you PERFECTLY FUCKING CLEAR:
WHY
DID
YOU
NOT
BRING
IT
UP
WITH
HER
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i was considering a mass claim at the start, hell i wont even say that. i was asking about it because it sounded like an interesting thought, i wasnt pushign it or anyhting. i was merely trying to gather information about how they work.
and the guides arnt black and white, and certainly are not explicitely geared toward noobie games. i was asking the advice of the more experienced players, and they gave it to me, and it leaves me wondering why the experienced people answered my questions and the less experienced people are trying to get my lynched for it. the thing that bothers me is i dont know which one of you two is the scum.
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On June 13 2013 13:25 Umasi wrote:
Okay I will make this part towards you PERFECTLY FUCKING CLEAR:
WHY
DID
YOU
NOT
BRING
IT
UP
WITH
HER
On June 13 2013 13:23 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 12:42 Xzavier wrote:i said something hinting to it, but i didnt want to bash the fuck out of her at the very start of the game, i was going to wait to see a few more posts from her and not judge her based off that alone. But she never posted anymore so it wasnt exactly my problem, and she was modkilled accordingly, also i asked you to quote this: On June 07 2013 01:44 Xzavier wrote:On June 06 2013 23:24 fferyllt wrote:I'm going to go against the current here and say that Yavanna worries me a bit because she's being awfully nice when going for clarification. The self-deprecation that comes with her questions to players. Stuff like "Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town." Or this to xZAv "Now that I've ruffled your feathers" what ruffled feathers? Yavanna you agreed with xZav in that post.
And yet with assurances that you'll be plenty abrasive when the time comes. On June 06 2013 16:23 Yavanna wrote:
Shit I'm sorry...? Should I put on my bitch face? I mean there's like 3 people talking here. When someone comes into the thread that I should jump on I will, but I haven't seen anything to make me do so yet. I'm really not so nice all the time but those of you who I'm conversing with are townie as fuck imo. Should I pull an iV and attack you just for shits? On June 06 2013 16:30 Yavanna wrote:
Ermahgerd...I can feel the Vlosk coming!! RAAAAGGGGEEE!!
No but in all seriousness, I just don't see the point in being an asshole unless its warranted. When I think someone is doing something scummy I'll jump all over their ass and not feel bad about it in the least. I'm not seeing any sign of this iron fist in the velvet glove. Yavanna is working for minor clarifications from her town reads, mostly, which isn't such a great place to put a lot of effort. i believe that she meant she didnt want to flatter me overly too much lol. thats the way i read it atleast. but yeah, this might be because she is new, but she does seem overly apologetic and it is suspicious when somebody says i dunno who im gonna vote for, so im going to sheep you, this early on. I mean id be okay with her saying she was going to sheep me if she had absolutely no reads, but this is almost giving her an excuse not to try and make reads/find mafia. kinda like saying here, you do the work. and then ofc not having her name attached to it anywhere. now tell me again that i was buddy buddy with her? thats not exactly a free pass, thats saying "your looking pretty suspicious, start being useful or some questions might arise" now, i am wondering if you even read this post. read the bolded and tell me it was a free pass again
read quote pls.
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Who two, me or onegu, or me and ffer?
If you think ffer is scum, that's the nail in the fucking coffin imho.
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