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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 15:13 yamato77 wrote: DP is also correct in that you love to talk a shitton once you make a mistake as scum and try to cover it up. Not this time, pal. And what about the fact that I do this also as town? | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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look dude, i get it, you think i acted scummy after the "slip". could you please point out why and how? I'd like to at least try to convince you, and unless you're literally 100% sure I am scum it's worth it to at least explain your read. even if you are sure you might as well explain it so you don't look like bandwagoning scum, right? What's the point by point reasons? | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 15:19 Blazinghand wrote: look dude, i get it, you think i acted scummy after the "slip". could you please point out why and how? I'd like to at least try to convince you, and unless you're literally 100% sure I am scum it's worth it to at least explain your read. even if you are sure you might as well explain it so you don't look like bandwagoning scum, right? What's the point by point reasons? oh herp that was DP not yamato this is directed at yamato | ||
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 15:21 yamato77 wrote: I agree with DP that this reaction is totally scummy and yet another slip of your mindset. You're so spammy as mafia that you just post random shit without thinking, and this sounds exactly how someone would react to that as scum. Why would a townie even act like it could potentially get him lynched if it is just an honest mistake? Well, because it could IN FACT potentially get me lynched. Despite my record, being town doesn't make me magically immune to getting mislynched. Recognizing that a slip, whether real or percieved, can get you lynched, isn't a scumtell. Perhaps I shouldn't have shared the thought and am too open with how I play, but that's just what I was thinking. I don't really have a bettere xplanation for this. On May 20 2013 15:21 yamato77 wrote: Why would a townie even assume there are three scum in the first place? Why is a townie assuming information not given to us? It's a mini, for whatever reason I assumed 3 scum, then realized there could be 4. On May 20 2013 15:21 yamato77 wrote: And why did you make the post about it saying something about Marv's alignment? Why would that be the case, and why are you making this post at all? Someone was saying (DP I think?) that not only could I potentially be a scum masoner, but a scum non-masoner, and was scum with marv. Or maybe they were just floating the idea. In a moment of wry humour, I thought "well at least this 'scumslip' has won me the argument, since everyone thinks I'm scum masoner now" and decided to share it with the thread. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 15:23 yamato77 wrote: I've only ever played with scum BH, but I doubt you would do what you've done here as town. What specifically do you doubt I would do as town? scumslip? I can and have linked to specific games where I have done so (once even as a mason!) react coolly and with wry humor to a bad situation? what specifically? | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 15:58 DarthPunk wrote: Fucking what? WIFOM now. This is over. Burn him with the fury of a thousand suns. I'm just saying! You're definitely town. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 15:58 DarthPunk wrote: Fucking what? WIFOM now. This is over. Burn him with the fury of a thousand suns. I'm not saying it's true! I'm just saying it would be awesome. Like for what it's worth, you have to admit that this would IN FACT be awesome! It's not true, but it would be so awesome. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote: You're so... emotionless. The exclamation point and the whole "I'm being a helpful, friendly townie!" thing you've got going on is just too much. Maybe I'm conditioned to think of town as messy and egotistical, but I see literally nothing but flat logic from you, which amounts to nothing more than WIFOM. Honestly, believing that you just happened to assume there's 3 scum in a 16 player game with no information in the OP pointing at this possibility is wine that's insanely hard to drink, good sir. I like the wine that tastes like "BH is scum." So you have no rebuttal of all my points that have shot down your initial arguments, other than that the way I did so was "emotionless"-- and of course, the scumslip, which you believe to be real. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 16:55 yamato77 wrote: I'm voting for you because I don't believe you. I already don't particularly want to believe you anyway, because the amount of effort you've put in to finding scum is pathetic, and then you make a slip like this. You have YOUR explanations for why you wrote what you did, but they seem much more easily and simply explained as"BH is scum and not colossally bad at this game." See, I think when it comes down to it, you don't actually want to lynch me because of what I said after my "scumslip". You wanted to lynch me all D1 and wrote lots of cases and put a lot of pressure on me. The scumslip itself fits into your preconcieved notion of how I always play as town (though this notion is not correct (link) (link)) so you see no reason to question it. You don't have specific things to say about why you don't like my actions post-scumslip because, well, you don't like my actions post-scumslip because you don't like my actions BEFORE the "scumslip". And that's reasonable, more reasonable than the people who want to lynch me for the scumslip, but you're not owning it! At least own it. Of the various people who seem to think I'm scum, you have a reason to do so OTHER than the scumslip. Why isn't that the centerpiece of your case? | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 16:53 Blazinghand wrote: So you have no rebuttal of all my points that have shot down your initial arguments, other than that the way I did so was "emotionless"-- and of course, the scumslip, which you believe to be real. And in particular I'd like to point out that me being "emotionless" has no bearing on whether or not I'm scum. It's not a scumtell for me, and I don't think it's a scumtell in general. What happened here was you made an observation, then said "oh, well I already think BH is scum, so I'm going to believe this observation supports my hypothesis!" even though the observation on its own isn't meaningful. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 20 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote: To believe you're town, I have to assume: 1) You assumed there were 3 scum for no discernible reason, which is directly in conflict with the reasonable assumptions most people have made about the size of the scum team given the total number of players. This also shows an absolute neglect of paying attention to the thread. Honestly I don't have a good explanation for the slip other than that I thought "oh there are 3 scum in this game". That's it. On May 20 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote: 2) Were so intent on proving yourself innocent that you made this faulty assumption instead of simply playing the game in a more conventionally townie way, such as scum hunting. This was specifically in the context of people talking about the usage of my role-- it didn't come out of the blue, it came up during conversation. There was talk of a marv+bh scumteam, and I noted (erroneously) that by night 3 I'll have masoned 3 people and it'll be clear I'm a 'confirmed town'. This statement was also wrong in that I assumed there is no possibility for a scum masoner, but the point is, it was during a conversation. On May 20 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote: 3) Assumed immediately upon reading DP's post that it would be so difficult a situation to diffuse that it would get you lynched, despite him being only one member of the game, and there being a plethora of time between now and the lynch, and acted on this assumption. I didn't say it would get me lynched, I said if I get lynched for it I'd never live it down! And it's totally true. On May 20 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote: 4) Made a weird post considering the possibility that your slip is real in a moment of "humor", despite DP breathing down your neck about the "scumslip". Not once, but twice now. Uh have you ever played with me? On May 20 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote: To believe you are scum, I assume: 1) You are scum, made some colossally bad posts, and are now trying to control the damage in every way possible. See why I think you're scum? You have to also believe there are 3 scum in a 16-player game. You have to also assume that I forgot that this fact is unknown (despite that fact that a 3-scum team in a 16-player game is thinking a lot about the 3p role and definitely talking about their size in the group) You have to also assume that I, as scum, am a scum masoner in a normal mini game. All of these are as weird or weirder assumptions than the ones you brought up. The reason you think I'm scum has nothing to do with this and everything to do with how I played D1. You've thought i'm scum for the past 48 hours. | ||
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