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danel did drop his vote then immediately ran away why you no care about town dandel?
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On May 20 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
if BH is town, I am clearly the most obvious target to mason, by a stretch. so by extension, the same is true if he's mafia.
Quick example: Mad Men Mafia. I replaced in and VE mafia felt compelled to use his mason power to mason me, because he knew I'd find it suspicious as fuck if he didn't. If BH is mafia, in your scenario here, i think his whole claiming a mason falls apart. It makes no sense. explain? Okay, let's say you are town and BH mafia: - BH unnecessarily claims mason. That will be confirmed at some point. - You say BH knows he needs to mason you. Makes sense. - If he is scum mason, why claim mason when he is not even really lynched yet? You can figure out his alignment on N1, you can figure out his scumbuddies. - Why not just buss a lesser scum (as BH is kinda good as scum right?) and earn credit for someone if you are "about to get lynched", as opposed to possibly outing more than one scum on N1?
Claiming mason when he did was suboptimal from either a mafia or town perspective. Yet you're discounting one and not the other.
What's the town explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him.
What's the mafia explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him.
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but why did he vote sputnik he didn't need to and would know he was town if dandel were scum
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On May 20 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
if BH is town, I am clearly the most obvious target to mason, by a stretch. so by extension, the same is true if he's mafia.
Quick example: Mad Men Mafia. I replaced in and VE mafia felt compelled to use his mason power to mason me, because he knew I'd find it suspicious as fuck if he didn't. If BH is mafia, in your scenario here, i think his whole claiming a mason falls apart. It makes no sense. explain? Okay, let's say you are town and BH mafia: - BH unnecessarily claims mason. That will be confirmed at some point. - You say BH knows he needs to mason you. Makes sense. - If he is scum mason, why claim mason when he is not even really lynched yet? You can figure out his alignment on N1, you can figure out his scumbuddies. - Why not just buss a lesser scum (as BH is kinda good as scum right?) and earn credit for someone if you are "about to get lynched", as opposed to possibly outing more than one scum on N1? Claiming mason when he did was suboptimal from either a mafia or town perspective. Yet you're discounting one and not the other. What's the town explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. What's the mafia explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him.
Claiming mason is not relevant. If he was town/scum he probably thought he was gonna get lynched and that does not tell anything about his alignment. There is no other reason to claim mason when he did.
What i said after that first line is however relevant.
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On May 20 2013 06:54 iamperfection wrote:
but why did he vote sputnik he didn't need to and would know he was town if dandel were scum
You mean DI? I know why, because GK is scum.
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On May 20 2013 06:50 yamato77 wrote:
There is a distinct lack of noting how scum Dandel is at the moment.
fk da h8ers
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On May 20 2013 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 06:54 iamperfection wrote:
but why did he vote sputnik he didn't need to and would know he was town if dandel were scum You mean DI? I know why, because GK is scum.
same as above
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im taking a break back later
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On May 20 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
if BH is town, I am clearly the most obvious target to mason, by a stretch. so by extension, the same is true if he's mafia.
Quick example: Mad Men Mafia. I replaced in and VE mafia felt compelled to use his mason power to mason me, because he knew I'd find it suspicious as fuck if he didn't. If BH is mafia, in your scenario here, i think his whole claiming a mason falls apart. It makes no sense. explain? Okay, let's say you are town and BH mafia: - BH unnecessarily claims mason. That will be confirmed at some point. - You say BH knows he needs to mason you. Makes sense. - If he is scum mason, why claim mason when he is not even really lynched yet? You can figure out his alignment on N1, you can figure out his scumbuddies. - Why not just buss a lesser scum (as BH is kinda good as scum right?) and earn credit for someone if you are "about to get lynched", as opposed to possibly outing more than one scum on N1? Claiming mason when he did was suboptimal from either a mafia or town perspective. Yet you're discounting one and not the other. What's the town explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. What's the mafia explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. Claiming mason is not relevant. If he was town/scum he probably thought he was gonna get lynched and that does not tell anything about his alignment. There is no other reason to claim mason when he did. What i said after that first line is however relevant.
No, all your subsequent lines are "why did he claim mason instead of doing something else"
because he panicked. same for both alignments.
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On May 20 2013 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 06:54 iamperfection wrote:
but why did he vote sputnik he didn't need to and would know he was town if dandel were scum You mean DI? I know why, because GK is scum.
That's a terrible reason, sputnik was lynched with or without Dandel's vote.
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On May 20 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
if BH is town, I am clearly the most obvious target to mason, by a stretch. so by extension, the same is true if he's mafia.
Quick example: Mad Men Mafia. I replaced in and VE mafia felt compelled to use his mason power to mason me, because he knew I'd find it suspicious as fuck if he didn't. If BH is mafia, in your scenario here, i think his whole claiming a mason falls apart. It makes no sense. explain? Okay, let's say you are town and BH mafia: - BH unnecessarily claims mason. That will be confirmed at some point. - You say BH knows he needs to mason you. Makes sense. - If he is scum mason, why claim mason when he is not even really lynched yet? You can figure out his alignment on N1, you can figure out his scumbuddies. - Why not just buss a lesser scum (as BH is kinda good as scum right?) and earn credit for someone if you are "about to get lynched", as opposed to possibly outing more than one scum on N1? Claiming mason when he did was suboptimal from either a mafia or town perspective. Yet you're discounting one and not the other. What's the town explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. What's the mafia explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. Claiming mason is not relevant. If he was town/scum he probably thought he was gonna get lynched and that does not tell anything about his alignment. There is no other reason to claim mason when he did. What i said after that first line is however relevant. No, all your subsequent lines are "why did he claim mason instead of doing something else" because he panicked. same for both alignments.
Yes but if he panicked as scum he would not claim mason if you were town. He would do something else. There is literally no reason (if he thought he, or other scum was gonna get lynched on D1) to make the game harder for your team. Just accept your fate and hope you play better next time. Damn you marv, you are supposed to be good at this shit, why are you so bad now?
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On May 20 2013 07:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:54 iamperfection wrote:
but why did he vote sputnik he didn't need to and would know he was town if dandel were scum You mean DI? I know why, because GK is scum. That's a terrible reason, sputnik was lynched with or without Dandel's vote.
That was not clear 12min before the deadline. I was arguing for GK lynch. Who is to say people won't last minute bandwagon as BH pointed out?
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On May 20 2013 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
if BH is town, I am clearly the most obvious target to mason, by a stretch. so by extension, the same is true if he's mafia.
Quick example: Mad Men Mafia. I replaced in and VE mafia felt compelled to use his mason power to mason me, because he knew I'd find it suspicious as fuck if he didn't. If BH is mafia, in your scenario here, i think his whole claiming a mason falls apart. It makes no sense. explain? Okay, let's say you are town and BH mafia: - BH unnecessarily claims mason. That will be confirmed at some point. - You say BH knows he needs to mason you. Makes sense. - If he is scum mason, why claim mason when he is not even really lynched yet? You can figure out his alignment on N1, you can figure out his scumbuddies. - Why not just buss a lesser scum (as BH is kinda good as scum right?) and earn credit for someone if you are "about to get lynched", as opposed to possibly outing more than one scum on N1? Claiming mason when he did was suboptimal from either a mafia or town perspective. Yet you're discounting one and not the other. What's the town explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. What's the mafia explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. Claiming mason is not relevant. If he was town/scum he probably thought he was gonna get lynched and that does not tell anything about his alignment. There is no other reason to claim mason when he did. What i said after that first line is however relevant. No, all your subsequent lines are "why did he claim mason instead of doing something else" because he panicked. same for both alignments. Yes but if he panicked as scum he would not claim mason if you were town. He would do something else. There is literally no reason (if he thought he, or other scum was gonna get lynched on D1) to make the game harder for your team. Just accept your fate and hope you play better next time. Damn you marv, you are supposed to be good at this shit, why are you so bad now?
Your alternative was "bus a scumbuddy". That's not a good alternative.
People always call me bad in arguments like this and it's rarely because I'm being bad. Just saying.
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On May 20 2013 06:54 iamperfection wrote:
but why did he vote sputnik he didn't need to and would know he was town if dandel were scum
So he looks like he's just sheeping town?
He obviously gives no fucks about finding scum. I'm tired of his antics.
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On May 20 2013 07:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
if BH is town, I am clearly the most obvious target to mason, by a stretch. so by extension, the same is true if he's mafia.
Quick example: Mad Men Mafia. I replaced in and VE mafia felt compelled to use his mason power to mason me, because he knew I'd find it suspicious as fuck if he didn't. If BH is mafia, in your scenario here, i think his whole claiming a mason falls apart. It makes no sense. explain? Okay, let's say you are town and BH mafia: - BH unnecessarily claims mason. That will be confirmed at some point. - You say BH knows he needs to mason you. Makes sense. - If he is scum mason, why claim mason when he is not even really lynched yet? You can figure out his alignment on N1, you can figure out his scumbuddies. - Why not just buss a lesser scum (as BH is kinda good as scum right?) and earn credit for someone if you are "about to get lynched", as opposed to possibly outing more than one scum on N1? Claiming mason when he did was suboptimal from either a mafia or town perspective. Yet you're discounting one and not the other. What's the town explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. What's the mafia explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. Claiming mason is not relevant. If he was town/scum he probably thought he was gonna get lynched and that does not tell anything about his alignment. There is no other reason to claim mason when he did. What i said after that first line is however relevant. No, all your subsequent lines are "why did he claim mason instead of doing something else" because he panicked. same for both alignments. Yes but if he panicked as scum he would not claim mason if you were town. He would do something else. There is literally no reason (if he thought he, or other scum was gonna get lynched on D1) to make the game harder for your team. Just accept your fate and hope you play better next time. Damn you marv, you are supposed to be good at this shit, why are you so bad now? Your alternative was "bus a scumbuddy". That's not a good alternative. People always call me bad in arguments like this and it's rarely because I'm being bad. Just saying.
Blarf... What are you doing. First you say "BH panicked". Now you say "bussing a scumbuddy is no good alternative".
If BH panicked, he thought he was gonna get lynched right? BH is supposed to be a good scum player right? Why is bussing not a good alternative?
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On May 20 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 07:03 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 20 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
if BH is town, I am clearly the most obvious target to mason, by a stretch. so by extension, the same is true if he's mafia.
Quick example: Mad Men Mafia. I replaced in and VE mafia felt compelled to use his mason power to mason me, because he knew I'd find it suspicious as fuck if he didn't. If BH is mafia, in your scenario here, i think his whole claiming a mason falls apart. It makes no sense. explain? Okay, let's say you are town and BH mafia: - BH unnecessarily claims mason. That will be confirmed at some point. - You say BH knows he needs to mason you. Makes sense. - If he is scum mason, why claim mason when he is not even really lynched yet? You can figure out his alignment on N1, you can figure out his scumbuddies. - Why not just buss a lesser scum (as BH is kinda good as scum right?) and earn credit for someone if you are "about to get lynched", as opposed to possibly outing more than one scum on N1? Claiming mason when he did was suboptimal from either a mafia or town perspective. Yet you're discounting one and not the other. What's the town explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. What's the mafia explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. Claiming mason is not relevant. If he was town/scum he probably thought he was gonna get lynched and that does not tell anything about his alignment. There is no other reason to claim mason when he did. What i said after that first line is however relevant. No, all your subsequent lines are "why did he claim mason instead of doing something else" because he panicked. same for both alignments. Yes but if he panicked as scum he would not claim mason if you were town. He would do something else. There is literally no reason (if he thought he, or other scum was gonna get lynched on D1) to make the game harder for your team. Just accept your fate and hope you play better next time. Damn you marv, you are supposed to be good at this shit, why are you so bad now? Your alternative was "bus a scumbuddy". That's not a good alternative. People always call me bad in arguments like this and it's rarely because I'm being bad. Just saying. Blarf... What are you doing. First you say "BH panicked". Now you say "bussing a scumbuddy is no good alternative". If BH panicked, he thought he was gonna get lynched right? BH is supposed to be a good scum player right? Why is bussing not a good alternative?
Because losing a mafia is never a good alternative unless absolutely necessary. If he's scum mason, he can claim mason and his alignment isn't provable one way or another, and it averts the lynch like it absolutely did.
No-one has ever called BH a good scumplayer btw. He's always dead by day 2-3 latest.
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Anyway, I've been dragged into this where it looks like I'm accusing BH of being mafia, which is not what I'm trying to say.
I'm just saying that BH could plausibly have done what he did as either alignment.
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What i am trying to say is this:
Try to look at this from his perspective. If he is scum, he clearly panicked and claimed his role because he thought he was gonna get lynched (as otherwise there is no reason to claim). He knows he needs to mason you on N1. That is a big big nono if you are town (which BH would know if he is scum and you town) as you might be able to catch not one, but more scum on that phase.
Why the fuck would BH claim mason if he is mafia and you are town? You say people do not call him a good scum player, even more reasons to not get in a one phase debate with you dontcha think?
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On May 20 2013 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i am trying to say is this:
Try to look at this from his perspective. If he is scum, he clearly panicked and claimed his role because he thought he was gonna get lynched (as otherwise there is no reason to claim). He knows he needs to mason you on N1. That is a big big nono if you are town (which BH would know if he is scum and you town) as you might be able to catch not one, but more scum on that phase.
Why the fuck would BH claim mason if he is mafia and you are town? You say people do not call him a good scum player, even more reasons to not get in a one phase debate with you dontcha think?
You're attributing a level of foresight and thought to someone who panic-claimed. see the issue? If you're panicking and roleclaiming when it absolutely isn't even necessary, it's highly unlikely you're thinking "if i do this, i'll have to mason marv night 1 and talk to him there and it'll be really difficult". Because if he was capable of making that logical train of thought in that moment he wouldn't have been claiming at all (as either alignment!)
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On May 20 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, I've been dragged into this where it looks like I'm accusing BH of being mafia, which is not what I'm trying to say.
I'm just saying that BH could plausibly have done what he did as either alignment.
Me too. It's just that you asked me to explain.
And i don't know why the fuck iamp thinks i think you both need to be town or mafia, as i never said so..
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