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fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
April 29 2013 05:03 GMT
#34
/in
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 15 2013 00:41 GMT
#122
hi guys. Nice to meet you.

I think I'm going to need to reread the discussion so far a couple of times for it to all sink in. each of us figuring out where we are on the board looks like a priority, whether it makes sense to share that info or not. My gut says it does make sense to share. Whether or how much we should spread out from there...I dunno.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 15 2013 01:52 GMT
#125
On May 15 2013 09:46 marvellosity wrote:
from mafiascum, fferyllt?

Yes. VisceraEyes told me about the mafia here a few weeks ago.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 15 2013 02:20 GMT
#133
All I read from your post is "yeah I like the general idea that town is showing, but I am kinda on the fence about it" without anything on it.


This part is true. I'm guessing that our max MS is unknown to scum and I won't be sharing that info today. I am not a heavy duty strategist, so the questions of whether to move toward or away from each other, how to group, etc. I will leave to someone who's good at that stuff. My game strength is analyzing body of work and relative tells. The former I do whether I know players or not. The latter comes with familiarity.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 15 2013 03:17 GMT
#145
On May 15 2013 12:06 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 11:20 fferyllt wrote:
All I read from your post is "yeah I like the general idea that town is showing, but I am kinda on the fence about it" without anything on it.


This part is true. I'm guessing that our max MS is unknown to scum and I won't be sharing that info today. I am not a heavy duty strategist, so the questions of whether to move toward or away from each other, how to group, etc. I will leave to someone who's good at that stuff. My game strength is analyzing body of work and relative tells. The former I do whether I know players or not. The latter comes with familiarity.


Lots of fluff. No rush though, I'll wait for your big informative posts.

don't hold your breath.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 15 2013 04:06 GMT
#152
On May 15 2013 12:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Zephirdd is almost certainly town

agree.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 15 2013 16:07 GMT
#227
On May 15 2013 23:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 23:45 marvellosity wrote:
On May 15 2013 23:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Being relatively new (to TL) and overeager. I don't know about his mafiascum history so I can't say how many games he's played or whether the TL and MS atmospheres are different enough to alter one's gameplay.


I don't believe anyone was accusing him of being over-eager? Where do you think he was being over-eager?

What is this bizarre semi-defence? :/


Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 09:41 fferyllt wrote:
hi guys. Nice to meet you.

I think I'm going to need to reread the discussion so far a couple of times for it to all sink in. each of us figuring out where we are on the board looks like a priority, whether it makes sense to share that info or not. My gut says it does make sense to share. Whether or how much we should spread out from there...I dunno.


Not accusing him, his fluff came to me as more eagerness to do something productive than anything else

Being whiteknighted like this gives me a bad case of hives.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 15 2013 17:33 GMT
#250
On May 16 2013 01:39 Zephirdd wrote:
The other useless dudes actually attempted to discuss something. Fferllt said a lot of words with no meaning or whatsoever. His latest post - questioning sentinel's whiteknighting - is probably all the substance he has made this game.

Whats your take on sentinel and deconduo?

I've given two reads so far. I'm reading all the gridboard strategy and tactics discussion but aside from deciding what I will do night 1, I probably won't contribute much until we have some data to go with the theory.

I still think you are town. Phagga appears a little followy re your scum read on me. I don't have the meta to say whether that is typical of his game, but it pushes him a little below null in my subjective list.

marvelousity's reactions to FoSes looks townish, but once again I lack the meta to make that a solid town read. he's on the town side of null atm.

Sentinel's pretty far south of null. I have a strong allergy to being WK'd by someone who knows zip about my game when the objective data says "not townish".

deconduo hasn't made an impression either way yet.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 14:39 GMT
#380
On May 16 2013 21:53 Vivax wrote:
We mustn't forget to talk about our moves though. Finding a good lynch target is fine, but not having the angels feed on us is possibly a higher priority than that. This game is won on the board for them.

I'm currently looking at B and J and they are close to each other, they are basically already in a pair, any idea on how they should move ideally?

I was getting ready to put a Sentinel vote down before I reached this post.

On May 16 2013 22:19 Vivax wrote:
I've got stuff to study for the next few hours, I'll have a look into the thread from time to time.

And, as pressure mounts, you hit da club.

Okay, so does the day end early if the votes on a bandwagon hit majority+1?
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 14:50 GMT
#382
Then I guess I better go find that voting thread.

It looks like people post their votes in both threads. Is that the conveention?
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 14:53 GMT
#384
Also, I'm good with whatever name abbreviations people use.

And I"m not a he.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 15:02 GMT
#386
On May 16 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 23:50 fferyllt wrote:
Then I guess I better go find that voting thread.

It looks like people post their votes in both threads. Is that the conveention?


yes, basically so we know when and why people are voting without having to crosscheck constantly.

Tell me in your own words why you want to lynch Vivax now and not Sentinel.

Vivax' post that I quoted looks like he has knowledge that I don't have, since he was trying to plan the moves of two specific letters on the grid.

I still don't like Sentinel's WKing. As I read through the last few pages just now, I saw some other observations about why I might come off a little odd in my first post. They did so without making excuses for what I wrote, if that makes sense. Sentinel's comments stood out because he seemed to be characterizing my first post as something it was not.

Sentinel is still a person of interest, but Vivax' post clangs considerably.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 15:06 GMT
#389
On May 17 2013 00:05 marvellosity wrote:
Do you not accept his subsequent explanations?

They don't really seem adequate to me. Do they to you?
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 15:17 GMT
#394
On May 17 2013 00:09 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 00:06 fferyllt wrote:
On May 17 2013 00:05 marvellosity wrote:
Do you not accept his subsequent explanations?

They don't really seem adequate to me. Do they to you?


Hey now, this conversation is supposed to be entirely one way!

They're not great, no. Really the worst of it is that it could all have waited until tomorrow. I'm not averse to a Vivax lynch right now, but the wagon does seem to be choo-chooing along very easily.

That tends to happen when people think they see a scum slip.

He already had picked up some votes prior to that comment. Did you think those earlier votes made sense?
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 15:30 GMT
#398
On May 17 2013 00:29 marvellosity wrote:
##Unvote

I was just gong to ask you if you still thinkt Ghost was a better lynch than some of the alternatives.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 17:02 GMT
#441
I'm seriously considering sheeping you, marvellosity. Want to reread some thread sections first, though.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 19:54 GMT
#493
On May 17 2013 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
Vote count please!

Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:02 fferyllt wrote:
I'm seriously considering sheeping you, marvellosity. Want to reread some thread sections first, though.


This is now disgusting. You can't say this and then disappear.

tbqh with as little knowledge as I have of the players, I'm concerned about voting at all. My votes this game won't be random, but they will not be nearly informed enough for my comfort.

I think of my tentative town reads, you are by far the strongest. Town motivation and town uncertainty drip off every sentence. What I don't know is how good your reads are.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 19:58 GMT
#510
##Vote: Decuondo
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 19:59 GMT
#512
Wait...I thought he was on decuondo?
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 20:01 GMT
#527
##Vote: Vivax
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 20:01 GMT
#528
This user interface does not like me.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 20:09 GMT
#541
face forward, one step forward.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 16 2013 21:56 GMT
#580
I think I am K.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 17 2013 15:25 GMT
#627
On May 17 2013 23:31 Zephirdd wrote:
I want to see everyone's reaction to this oats thing.

@phagga
on the counterside, Sharranth talked a lot about Vivax but only defending him. Like, defending hard. I think I made an earlier post about that, before the whole "slip" thing.

@Oatsmaster
if you're town, don't feel demotivated. You are not dead yet and we can still let you live no problem. Use this moment to your advantage, and pressure people who you think are scum.

good morning.

Sharrant is weirder and weirder(need more posts from him); fferyllt looks better than at day 1; ghost had a cool post on sharranth; sentinel and deconduo are pretty set on what they are doing; blazinghand loves saying I'm town; mkfuba asked a nice question but he seems lurky; phagga is greenpeace

yet to comment on oatsmaster thing: fferyllt, sharrath

If you are town remember that the day is not over

Your observation about me looks like bullshit.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 17 2013 15:29 GMT
#630
On May 17 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote:
Good morning everyone, glad to see I was wrong about Vivax.

I don't buy into the whole "hosts let him get away with using cardinal directions because he is scum", that could've been an honest mistake, I don't particularly buy into the host WIFOM. What I believe makes it a scum slip is that he said "I wanted to move here". A townie would have no idea who they are, so how could they have a specific destination in mind?

On the board I am most certainly L, all I did was an about face, didn't figure anyone else would do anything similar, and I didn't want to potentially move myself into a worse position by blindly moving. (about 70-30 chance of picking the right direction versus not)

It seems to me that the optimal movement for town is as follows: Form into large groups as quickly as possible, and gather up stragglers as we move around the board. The trick here, is that once we are into a group, we do not want our specific move patterns known. It's been revealed to us through Vivax's PM that the angels have a "leap" mechanic, where they match a players movement within a certain range. We can use this to our advantage in the following way: Once we are in groups of 3-4 people, the group will set a direction of up to 3 spaces. The players in the group will all keep their moves hidden but will do their best to follow the assigned direction and distance. (optimal distance is probably 1 or 2) The people on the outside of the group always move inwards, and the people on the insides always move outwards. I believe this would make the leaps ineffective in the clutter because of bodyblocking. It also means if an angel does get inside the group, we can pretty much guarantee at least someone will have their flashlight on the angel, after that it's just coordination.

[green]If an angel encounters an obstacle, say a town character, that is not their intended target during a leap what will happen?
If a player ends the night beside an Angel, does that Angel feed automatically, or does the Angel have to specify the target in advance and then get close to them?
[green]

##Vote: Oatsmaster


The host wifom has made me leery of the Oatsmaster wagon. I think your paragraph 2 makes sense, though.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 17 2013 15:56 GMT
#634
On May 18 2013 00:35 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 00:29 fferyllt wrote:
On May 17 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote:
Good morning everyone, glad to see I was wrong about Vivax.

I don't buy into the whole "hosts let him get away with using cardinal directions because he is scum", that could've been an honest mistake, I don't particularly buy into the host WIFOM. What I believe makes it a scum slip is that he said "I wanted to move here". A townie would have no idea who they are, so how could they have a specific destination in mind?

On the board I am most certainly L, all I did was an about face, didn't figure anyone else would do anything similar, and I didn't want to potentially move myself into a worse position by blindly moving. (about 70-30 chance of picking the right direction versus not)

It seems to me that the optimal movement for town is as follows: Form into large groups as quickly as possible, and gather up stragglers as we move around the board. The trick here, is that once we are into a group, we do not want our specific move patterns known. It's been revealed to us through Vivax's PM that the angels have a "leap" mechanic, where they match a players movement within a certain range. We can use this to our advantage in the following way: Once we are in groups of 3-4 people, the group will set a direction of up to 3 spaces. The players in the group will all keep their moves hidden but will do their best to follow the assigned direction and distance. (optimal distance is probably 1 or 2) The people on the outside of the group always move inwards, and the people on the insides always move outwards. I believe this would make the leaps ineffective in the clutter because of bodyblocking. It also means if an angel does get inside the group, we can pretty much guarantee at least someone will have their flashlight on the angel, after that it's just coordination.

[green]If an angel encounters an obstacle, say a town character, that is not their intended target during a leap what will happen?
If a player ends the night beside an Angel, does that Angel feed automatically, or does the Angel have to specify the target in advance and then get close to them?
[green]

##Vote: Oatsmaster


The host wifom has made me leery of the Oatsmaster wagon. I think your paragraph 2 makes sense, though.


Can you expound on the bolded part?

I'm talking about the questions swirling over whether the host would accept and process a messed up move depending on the alignment of the player, and the fact that at least some of the votes on that wagon appear to be predicated on an answer of "yes, they would if the player were an Angel".
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 17 2013 18:20 GMT
#639
On May 18 2013 01:00 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 00:56 fferyllt wrote:
On May 18 2013 00:35 phagga wrote:
On May 18 2013 00:29 fferyllt wrote:
On May 17 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote:
Good morning everyone, glad to see I was wrong about Vivax.

I don't buy into the whole "hosts let him get away with using cardinal directions because he is scum", that could've been an honest mistake, I don't particularly buy into the host WIFOM. What I believe makes it a scum slip is that he said "I wanted to move here". A townie would have no idea who they are, so how could they have a specific destination in mind?

On the board I am most certainly L, all I did was an about face, didn't figure anyone else would do anything similar, and I didn't want to potentially move myself into a worse position by blindly moving. (about 70-30 chance of picking the right direction versus not)

It seems to me that the optimal movement for town is as follows: Form into large groups as quickly as possible, and gather up stragglers as we move around the board. The trick here, is that once we are into a group, we do not want our specific move patterns known. It's been revealed to us through Vivax's PM that the angels have a "leap" mechanic, where they match a players movement within a certain range. We can use this to our advantage in the following way: Once we are in groups of 3-4 people, the group will set a direction of up to 3 spaces. The players in the group will all keep their moves hidden but will do their best to follow the assigned direction and distance. (optimal distance is probably 1 or 2) The people on the outside of the group always move inwards, and the people on the insides always move outwards. I believe this would make the leaps ineffective in the clutter because of bodyblocking. It also means if an angel does get inside the group, we can pretty much guarantee at least someone will have their flashlight on the angel, after that it's just coordination.

[green]If an angel encounters an obstacle, say a town character, that is not their intended target during a leap what will happen?
If a player ends the night beside an Angel, does that Angel feed automatically, or does the Angel have to specify the target in advance and then get close to them?
[green]

##Vote: Oatsmaster


The host wifom has made me leery of the Oatsmaster wagon. I think your paragraph 2 makes sense, though.


Can you expound on the bolded part?

I'm talking about the questions swirling over whether the host would accept and process a messed up move depending on the alignment of the player, and the fact that at least some of the votes on that wagon appear to be predicated on an answer of "yes, they would if the player were an Angel".


Ok, I understand that I asked the question wrong, because that's not what I wanted to know.

Is there anyone specific on the Oats wagon that you are leery of?

Also, quite generally, who would you like to lynch currently? Who looks like scum to you and why?


Gut says Ghost is the most questionable on the Oats wagon. I need to find time to figure out what my gut is worried about. Zeph freaked my out when he said my sole day 2 post (pretty sure it was one post at that point, where I said which letter I think is mine) looked better than my day 1 body of work.

I want to dig some more before answering your last questions. Probably in an hour or so.

fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 18 2013 17:22 GMT
#694
I think I buy the role claim.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 18 2013 18:24 GMT
#706
I'm in the thread.

But I really don't feel like I have a handle on the game today. Had planned to vote for decunduo before I caught up.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 18 2013 18:34 GMT
#716
If you've got nothing better in the way of a lead today, go ahead and lynch me.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 18 2013 18:41 GMT
#719
On May 19 2013 03:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Honestly your non-contribution imo is a big lead. I'm willing to eat my hat on that, etc etc. For what it's worth, if you are in fact a townie, you should share your thoughts with the thread before you flip. I drew a lot of my analysis from reading marv's filter etc knowing that he was town. I'd like you to leave behind, if not something comparably useful for us, something at least non-useless.

of course, if you're scum, feel free to ignore this and continue lurking!

My thoughts are that I'm an easy lynch and analyzing my bandwagon may fruitful.

I still feel pretty confident of my town reads. And I still don't care much for Sentinal's WKing.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 18 2013 18:50 GMT
#726
1. Oatsmaster - null
2. Sharrant - null
4. deconduo - no counterclaim, tentative town
5. Zephirdd - town
7. ghost_403 - null
8. [UoN]Sentinel - leaning scum
9. Blazinghand - town
11. mkfuba07 - null
12. phagga - town

I doubt that all my town reads are accurate. But I bet there is at least one scum in my nulls. Possibly Sharrant. mkfuba07 has really not made any impression at all on me and that's probably a bad sign.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 18 2013 18:52 GMT
#729
On May 19 2013 03:44 Blazinghand wrote:
ugh, whatever, i'll be checking in via phone if we need to do shenannies. everyone vote fferyllt.


I don't see any point in maintaining the uncertainty I obviously represent another game day, unless somebody has a strong argument for another player being scum.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 18 2013 19:04 GMT
#731
On May 19 2013 03:52 Blazinghand wrote:
You have one scum read, it's "leaning scum", and it's on sentinel entirely because he defended you and nothing else in possibly the least interesting post of his filter

He hasn't made a positive impression in most of his posts IMO. I'm not going to produce a wall of defense or a lengthy case on him. The interface is just too cumbersome to make that an easy task right now. I should have spent some time prior to the game getting more comfortable with this format.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 18 2013 19:07 GMT
#734
Is that L-1?
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 18 2013 19:10 GMT
#736
I'll vote myself to prevent a nolynch if it comes to that.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
May 18 2013 19:20 GMT
#742
Good luck, town.

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