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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 21 2013 01:12 GMT
#856
Okay Dec. We'll put the movement thing aside until we get some reply from either host.

I have nothing productive to reveal at the moment. I will return when this changes.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 21 2013 01:24 GMT
#857
On May 21 2013 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Vote: Deconduo
Im town, Phagga is town cause he doesnt fucking play like this as scum in the SLIGHTEST.

So therefore what does this mean? DECONDUO IS SCUM!

game too ez.
Fuck if there were 2 scum wagons at the start, I need to think about a lotta things.


Oats you keep forgetting to vote in the voting thread
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 21 2013 12:14 GMT
#869
On May 21 2013 20:50 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
who is the second scum phagga?

Sentinel. What's your take?


Real quick, I'm ruling out Oats as scum assuming Dec flips red because for two scum to bus each other at lylo is incredibly stupid. If by some miracle he doesn't, it'll be too late to care.

I'm rereading to find out the second scum, but I'm not voting him today. I'm voting deconduo today.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 21 2013 21:44 GMT
#883
Lol I pooped a little when I saw BHs case.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 21 2013 21:46 GMT
#885
On May 22 2013 05:08 phagga wrote:

Sentinel, any news on your second scum read?


One at a time.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 01:05 GMT
#888
We're lynching Oats based on a scumslip and the promise that Dec isn't lying.

Phagga you better have some quality shit on Oatsmaster to justify yourself because your vote is deciding this election.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 02:26 GMT
#890
On May 22 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sentinel is second scum after deconduo.
Why? Cause he has been flipflopping around my 'scumslip' and now of course he doesnt think phagga is scum, and he cant find any stronger reasons for me to be scum.


I never thought phagga was scum. I fell into the sheephole and when you presented your justification of "I wanted to move here" I realized you were in a similar position I fell into by defending feryl. That's when I realized the error of my ways. I pushed for Dec but that one was harder to prove at the moment so I went for ghost. Although ghost flipped town, I gathered more scum play from the dec camp.

Why are you not scum? Because Dec is, and for either of you to bus each other at lylo would be so idiotic I would make it a duty to policy lynch both of you from now on. Mkfuba is scum because he fluffs like a mofo and cherrypicks evidence. He believes dec's claim wholeheartedly yet votes to lynch you due to a scumslip and questionable meta. That's playing blind to so many facets of what's transpiring here, its obvious he is trying to sheep you simply because the alternative would be to bus Dec. It is for this reason I will not strive to convince him for he cannot be convinced as scum, but phagga can.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 02:28 GMT
#891
On May 22 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sentinel is second scum after deconduo.
Why? Cause he has been flipflopping around my 'scumslip' and now of course he doesnt think phagga is scum, and he cant find any stronger reasons for me to be scum.


Oh you misconstrued my post, I didn't see it. I'm still pushing Dec, I'm simply voicing my disdain for the Oats wagon and its integrity. I wish for the three remaining towns to vote for Dec, and I am asking Phagga what justification he could have to vote for you.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 02:40 GMT
#893
Not exactly sarcasm. Maybe the first part of that post just needed a question mark, the second part is fully literal
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 04:49 GMT
#896
Okay, you do have the valid point about the implications of an oats vs phagga lynch. I keep forgetting I posted it late.

Dec had nothing to lose. Sure enough, he could've passed himself as the third blue and pretended to be a DT. Zeph was one who would've pointed out that he too was a blue and there were an awful lot of blues in the game. But otherwise it would've been insanely hard to bust Dec or anyone on a simple claim. Imagine you were the real detective and someone else claimed - both of you haven't been able to secure a position next to someone to check , whether on purpose or accident. With your word against his, it would be impossible to root him out as scum. The rest of the players would suspect one of you is blue and the other red, but nothing more.

Similarly in this case it is my word against dec's. I have attempted to lay out points that strengthen the notion that he is scum, and he has done the same to defend himself. I'm just claiming that my points make more sense in context than him.

The fact that ghost was lynched sealed the deal. Now it is 2 vs 3 and thus the vote should hang on the balance of one townie. Maybe it is you who are town after all - I make mistakes and I have not analyzed either of you just yet. But dec's fakeclaim is very strong here - he wins, he wins the game. He loses, its 1 v 2 tomorrow and we have to start the scumhunt from scratch.

TL;DR Fakeclaiming isn't as dangerous as you think it is.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 12:57 GMT
#919
On May 22 2013 16:13 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 15:31 phagga wrote:
On May 22 2013 13:28 mkfuba07 wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On May 22 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sentinel is second scum after deconduo.
Why? Cause he has been flipflopping around my 'scumslip' and now of course he doesnt think phagga is scum, and he cant find any stronger reasons for me to be scum.


I never thought phagga was scum. I fell into the sheephole and when you presented your justification of "I wanted to move here" I realized you were in a similar position I fell into by defending feryl. That's when I realized the error of my ways. I pushed for Dec but that one was harder to prove at the moment so I went for ghost. Although ghost flipped town, I gathered more scum play from the dec camp.

Why are you not scum? Because Dec is, and for either of you to bus each other at lylo would be so idiotic I would make it a duty to policy lynch both of you from now on. Mkfuba is scum because he fluffs like a mofo and cherrypicks evidence. He believes dec's claim wholeheartedly yet votes to lynch you due to a scumslip and questionable meta. That's playing blind to so many facets of what's transpiring here, its obvious he is trying to sheep you simply because the alternative would be to bus Dec. It is for this reason I will not strive to convince him for he cannot be convinced as scum, but phagga can.

See, that's my problem when I play mafia. I can't keep everything everyone's said in my head at all times. I can't go through everyone's filters nonstop because it takes me an eternity. It takes me hours to write almost any post because it's like I see literally every possibility, and can't finish a thought without another one second-guessing what I've already written. If I try to play like everyone else (as everyone else seems to play similarly, though with different attitudes and with different skill levels), I'm fluffy and wishy-washy.

So I try to focus on individual actions. It's why I wanted to vote for vivax earlier, and it's why I had more to say about oats's "scumslip". It's why I latched onto phagga's suggestion to check two people, when it gains us literally nothing other than the doubt I find myself in now. The fact that everyone else here (oats excluded, probably) seemed to have had very similar thoughts before the nightpost (oats likely scum, phagga likely town), makes me wonder why the hell no one sees exactly what I do. THERE WAS NO REASON TO CHECK PHAGGA! We all pretty much thought he was town! If I were in phagga's place, even if I considered that I could be checked at the same time, I'd leave it be because THERE WAS NO POINT. Add to that the fact that IF oats is town, and IF phagga is scum, this situation leads to an almost guaranteed win for scum, and the argument seems stronger. We already thought oats was scum. A green check (which decon would provide if it was an oats-only check) on oats would ruin that mislynch. What goes on to secure it? Adding a scum check that can either be attributed to oats or phagga, with obvious results. Keep in mind that this was before you mentioned your case against deconduo. At that moment, if it came simply down to oats vs phagga as scum, you know who you would choose, and I argue that that's what scum was counting on.

##Unvote

Anyway, all of that being said, maybe I was taking deconduo's claim for granted. Do you not feel like fakeclaiming like that would be dangerous as scum at that point in time? Is it not risky to fakeclaim when there's the possibility of you being lynched, when being caught in a fakeclaim will guarantee it? Would you fakeclaim the DT role even though the Doctor would seem like a pretty good DT candidate himself (and you can't use his name, because there's definitely a Doctor out there)? These are some thoughts that keep me believing deconduo, so if you want me to vote for him, convince me I'm wrong.


Look, I'm not even debating that in hindsight it was useless to let decon check me as well, it was just something that came into my mind 5 minutes before deadline and then there was no time left to discuss it. Yes, I agree it could have been a plan by scum, but the point is that in both cases it did not make much sense to let that check happen. Also, as I said earlier, if I was so inclined on getting Oats misslynched, why would I kill all the people that support an Oats lynch? (mainly Zeph). Would it not be much easier to kill deconduo instead and then push an Oats lynch with Zeph?

The plan you are implying is so highly convoluted that it would get a small chance of success for scum. If I was indeed scum, I would have had so many easier ways to push a misslynch than what you are proposing.

Look, let's line this out: For your theorie to work, you have to make these assumptions:
  • Phagga is scum
  • Deconduo is town
  • Oats is town
  • Scum decides to kill the guy that supports a town-phagga/scum-Oats theory (Zeph)
  • Scum on purpose let town deconduo check town oats
  • Scum on purpose come up with a last minute plan before deadline
  • Scum on purpose demands of deconduo that he changes his movement 1 minute before deadline
  • Scum than uses the new information of deconduo to push an Oats lynch

For my explanation to work, you need to make these assumptions:
  • Phagga is town
  • Phagga had a bad plan 5 minutes before deadline

If you look at it like this, it should be obvious that while your theory is not impossible, it is very improbable. If I was indeed scum, why would I come up with such a complicated and risky-to-execute plan when I could have had it so much easier with the same chance of success?

What scum gains from this wouldn't be that simple, and what I need to assume for this plan to work is far, far more than scum would have to. In my scenario, scum don't simply gain a mislynch on oats. They kill a confirmed, experienced townie (zeph), avoid allowing deconduo to make oats a confirmed townie, almost guarantee a mislynch on oats, and in turn win the game because it's lylo. Those are a LOT of gains when the alternative is letting deconduo confirm the most lynchable townie. And as for the assumptions scum would have to make in that scenario, they know everyone's alignment already, they didn't need to come up with a last minute plan, just unveil it at the last minute, and the rest of those assumptions are just implicitly part of the plan that they would have formed.

Your list of town phagga assumptions is right though... And I just now understood what you really said about my assumptions. I'm wondering if I've been Sherlocking it (that's what I've decided to call it when I find a scum plan that I think fits so perfectly that I can't believe it's not the truth). The ease with which I feel a scum phagga could have developed this plan is at odds with how I would otherwise feel about your alignment. I'll have to think on it a bit more, possibly set myself straight. In any case, I do still believe deconduo, which means that either you or oats is scum (but not both). That leaves only Sentinel as the last scum.

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel

Oh, and as for oats's plan... I'm kind of against it.


HOLD THE FUCK UP

You're telling me that you don't know whether phagga or Oats is town because Oats refuted your plan, so by that logic I'm the scum?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 13:26 GMT
#920
On May 22 2013 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 15:38 phagga wrote:
On May 22 2013 15:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
For me,
I think its mkfuba. I agree that some of his stuff has looked good as I said, but scum have an easy time speculating on stuff so that isnt all alignment indicative I realize. Considering that I have a scumread on Dec, and that he switched between both of them day 1, whoever got lynched would look good for him.
Further more, it seems like he has been following the boat and not rocking it, like all of his reads are in line with town sentiment, and his one outlier, read on phagga, he dropped after it wasnt supported by anyone other than be briefly. Other than that, all ive seen was a few long posts and no bursts of sustained activity I feel.
##Unvote
Vote: mkfuba

wait what? deconduo has a red check, you claim to be town, I claim to be town, someone is lying. How do you not try lynch the guy that is lying?

because both you or dec could be scum, and I dont think its both. So there is one scum in sent or mkfuba. Which I think its easier to figure out than you or dec considering the fact that you caused the check to cause this confusion.
I think you are town, but Dec is claimed blue, and lynching claimed blue takes a lotta proof for me, and I dont wanna risk it over my read on him or you.

So therefore, filtered both sent and mkfuba, And I think that what I see is that mkfuba is scum.

mkfuba, who do you wanna lynch?


Okay. So now, after voting for Dec not once but twice today, you suspect that he's indubitably blue compared to phagga?

I am going to admit something - I've been making a mistake all day. In my zeal to push Deconduo I couldn't see the fact that out of the five of us, one has bothered to contribute minimal information. One of us spent the entire thread asking questions like "What do you think of X" while rarely taking the initiative and posting his own reasoning. One of us has been making jokes in an effort to take the heat off of himself. One of us has sheeped every vote so far.

Oats has never in this game voted for someone out of his own volition except when someone did it already before him. And he dares to accuse me and condemn me on the premise that I flip flopped on feryl's vote when he himself switched from Dec to Phagga to Dec to mkfuba to myself. On about one paragraph of actual evidence at a time.

In my zeal to push a lynch i forgot to look at the big picture, and now I realize not only did Oats scumslip but he's been playing scum this whole time.

Forgive me, Deconduo.

##Unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 14:56 GMT
#924
On May 22 2013 23:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well no, I said that I dont want to make a decision today between you 2 because Im not confident in killing dec cause blue, and not confident in flipping you cause you townish. And I want to kill outside that.
I am now firm in the belief that Sent is scum. Yay thanks sent for posting that case.

Isnt it easier to make a decsion between 2 people for dec/sent/mkfuba? Than 3 people if me/you/dec is up for lynch?


Keep believing that. See where it gets you.

I might not be here at the deadline itself but I'll check in whenever I can. Everyone vote Oats.

The reason I can't make a big case on him like I did with ghost and dec is that his lack of substance is spread all across his filter. Six pages of "what do you think of abcdefg" and sheep.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 15:00 GMT
#926
On May 22 2013 23:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
The reason I can't make a big case on him like I did with ghost and dec is that his lack of substance is spread all across his filter. Six pages of "what do you think of abcdefg" and sheep.

I do this in a whole lotta games....
Show a meta reason why im scum if you can.


I've never played with you. All I see is scum play so I vote for the person who I'm most convinced is scum. That would be you.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 15:17 GMT
#929
I wouldn't mind mislynching Bill Murray because Bill Murray is useless.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 19:49 GMT
#933
If Oats holds his vote, then only one of us can be scum because of the bussing I was talking about before.

And by extension of your logic, I am not scum so I am convinced that Oats is.

Oh and oats doesn't actually have much of an argument, he parrots other peoples words to make it look like he's contributing.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 19:57 GMT
#936
On May 23 2013 02:26 Crossfire99 wrote:
Day 4 Lynch

Oatsmaster (3): deconduo, phagga, mkfuba07, [UoN]Sentinel
[UoN]Sentinel (2): phagga, mkfuba07, Oatsmaster
deconduo (0): [UoN]Sentinel, Oatsmaster, Oatsmaster
phagga (0): mkfuba07, Oatsmaster
mkfuba07 (0): Oatsmaster

The lynch will happen in at 20:00 GMT (+00:00). With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake.


Oatsmasters name is in every slot except for his

Vote for Oat
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 20:01 GMT
#939
If it is the game ends and I get to go play igrok's retarded game
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 20:02 GMT
#940
Day's over, shower time
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 22 2013 21:33 GMT
#944
I saw something last night. Also I didn't move. I should probably start doing that.
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