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Blazinghand
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I'm also going to be completely clear here: lynching oats because he sent in night actions phrased in absolute rather than relative directions is shit play and I WILL NOT HAVE IT. Fuck, what if you're the fuckign co-host of this game and you recieve some guy who says "I want to move 2 squares north then 2 squares east while facing north" are you really going to PM the guy back saying "hey man I want you to rephrase that"? Well, maybe, but let me put it this way:
are you willing to stake AN ENTIRE LYNCH on this speculation, OVER your read?
DECONDUO: you admit you think oats d1 play, and I quote, "wasn't particularly scummy" but you still want to lynch him. This is not acceptable, and coupled with your scummy play indicates you are scum.
GHOST: you intially had some concerns about Oats D1, but you admit that such concerns are assuaged by my meta read of Oats. Do you think I'm wrong, or is your vote on him just because of the wording of his movement, as you imply here? (link)
FUBA: you interacted with oats several times d1, and you even questioned whether it was wise of him to vote vivax. Is your voting him now based entirely on his wording of his movement, as you imply here? (link)
SENT: you say (link) that if not for the movement thing, Oats would be "above the level of suspicion". Is it really just the movement claim that changes you from utterly unwilling to lynch Oats to voting him?
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
Also, remember that if you are postulating that Oats "scumslipped" that he told the hosts to move to a location, you're making a VERY long proposition. You're saying
A) the way mafia angels move is by telling the hosts a relative movement using absolute direction (ie move north 3, east 2), despite the fact that the hosts have explicitly asked other members of the game (town) to move using relative direction
B) the hosts have chosen to get some of their movement directions in absolutes (from scum), and some of them in relative direction (from town)
C) scum ALSO send in the movements for dummies using absolute direction, rather than relative direction (since scum Oats would have to not know about relative direction to "slip" this. remember, he's pretending to be a dummy)
D) also, that C) is true despite the fact that some of the "dummies" are town players moving using relative motion
and finally, E) that the reason crossfire is receiving some of his orders with absolute and some with relative motion, for both kinds of pieces, and combining these different kinds of motion is that, AND I QUOTE, On May 15 2013 12:20 Crossfire99 wrote:
because this will prevent confusion when I have to play chess at the deadline because it's so much simpler for him to run two parallel systems of movement for some reason
THAT IS WHAT YOU FUCKING MORONS ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
Just... look, I'm sorry, I need to go to bed, this is it for tonight, but i'll lay it out more simply, okay?
imagine oats is town and he's telling the truth. He PMed the hosts and was like "I move up 3 spaces and left 2 while looking up" or something. for this to be true, all this requires is oats glossed over a post or two in the thread and the host saying "ok, I understand what he sent me, no need to send him a snarky PM requiring him to re-send in his movement". This is pretty easy to imagine. I bet this is what happened.
now imagine oats is scum and this is a legit slip. he pmed the hosts saying "move my dummy up 3 spaces and left 2" because this is how scum move their dummies. for this to be true, hosts have to be running two different ways of keeping track of movement, which seems needlessly complicated, and use both of those for moving dummies around. and then there's the same assumption that oats glossed over soem of the thread, but this time as scum instead of town.
since both scenarios require oats not paying attention to the post, the fact that he did in fact not realize how to move is not the part that's different between our two potential outcomes. Both outcomes assume oats glossed over this post.
You guys
ugh, you guys
good night. vote deconduo.
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Blazinghand
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I'm assuming it's 2 hours, 30 minutes since that's where the deadline was last time. I get what you're saying regarding the possibility of scum oats, and I definitely see how it COULD be a slip. Of the people on oats at the time I made my post, you are unique fuba in that you didn't express a townread of any sort on him beforehand. I understand how your thought process went. If I had a scumread on a guy (or at least a non townread) something that could be percieved as a scumslip would definitely ring alarm bells for me. What I don't get is decon, ghost, and sent who all were like "yeah oats is probably / definitely / above the level of suspicion town" and see something that could be interpreted as a scumslip then get on his ass.
I'll admit there's a possibility Oats is scum, and I see how you thought. decon, ghost and sent I don't understand.
that being said, I believe decon's claim, at least for now. he'll probably be dead before he can get anything done.
There are two more players I want to lynch today, and they are Sharrant and Ghost.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
actually hm not so sure on sharrant, just ghost
##unvote
##vote ghost
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Blazinghand
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On May 19 2013 02:47 Zephirdd wrote:I think you need to post more.
yeah i've vaguely toyed with the idea of what would effectively be a lurker lynch on fferyllt. I gave him a pass because he seemed to be interacting with the thread but now he's doing things like this. I also give him some credit for being part of the last-minute voteswap both to decon and to vivax, when he could have easily stayed on decon.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
ah, yes, my bad.
Ok rethinking on oats, in light of decon being town and oats unvoting without bringing up any reads, I'm gonna say oats has done literally nothing useful today. I'm willing to lynch him for that.
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Blazinghand
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I'm here. I'm down for lynching oats based on him not contributing anything all game. I'm aware that just being an anti-setup speculator doesn't make him scum, but his lack of contribution outside of that (notably not doing anything all day today) indicate to me that he is scum.
##unvote
##vote oatsmaster
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
be useful isntead of being yourself
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Blazinghand
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I'm serious, showing up once every 48 hours to sheep is not acceptable behavior.
actually, wow you've done less than oats today. you get no goodwill for your voteswaps D1. All you've done is post a couple one liners SINCE THE START OF THE GAME.
##unvote
##vote fferyllt
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
oats, wait plz vote fferyllt
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Blazinghand
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Oatsmaster, this is important, fferyltt has NEVER TAKEN LEGIT STANCES. he's not playing the game. he's posting once every few days or whatever with oneliners. VOTE HIM
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Blazinghand
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I understand the desire to flip ghost, and I can also get behind the ghost wagon. I'd say there are three players who have been really not contributing, and in order of not-contributing-ness it's like fferyltt then oats+ghost. I thought fferyltt would shape up since she had some good interactions D1 but that is clearly not the case.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
Honestly your non-contribution imo is a big lead. I'm willing to eat my hat on that, etc etc. For what it's worth, if you are in fact a townie, you should share your thoughts with the thread before you flip. I drew a lot of my analysis from reading marv's filter etc knowing that he was town. I'd like you to leave behind, if not something comparably useful for us, something at least non-useless.
of course, if you're scum, feel free to ignore this and continue lurking!
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Blazinghand
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on a personal note, anyone reading the thread right now needs to vote fferyllt. if we no-lynch today i'm going to be umad beyond belief, and wil be lynching into those of you who decided to sit by idly and let a no-lynch happen. stop dragging down mah game
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Blazinghand
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On May 19 2013 03:41 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 03:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Honestly your non-contribution imo is a big lead. I'm willing to eat my hat on that, etc etc. For what it's worth, if you are in fact a townie, you should share your thoughts with the thread before you flip. I drew a lot of my analysis from reading marv's filter etc knowing that he was town. I'd like you to leave behind, if not something comparably useful for us, something at least non-useless.
of course, if you're scum, feel free to ignore this and continue lurking! My thoughts are that I'm an easy lynch and analyzing my bandwagon may fruitful. I still feel pretty confident of my town reads. And I still don't care much for Sentinal's WKing.
your townreads are zephirdd (obvious) and marv (dead). you have not updated this set of reads int he past 72 hours.
Don't tell me things I already know. SAY sOMETHING, ANYTHING
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Blazinghand
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ugh, whatever, i'll be checking in via phone if we need to do shenannies. everyone vote fferyllt.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
FUCKIN OATSMASTEr
did he not post in the voting thread? jesus christ working with you people (zephirdd excluded) is like herding freakin cats
yeah fferyllt is my top choice today
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
mkfuba here's waht i'll say and this may sway you
fferyllt hasn't posted anything all game, and will not do so for the rest of the game. We gotta deal with her now, or at LYLO. your call.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
god I hope scum shoots me today and frees me from this agony
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