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On May 10 2013 06:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Can town have access to a town QT where we can discuss what roles we all get too?! | ||
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DP thinks he's hot shit but he's not, if he's scum or town we'll figure it out | ||
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wait maybe i did yes yes i did | ||
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On May 13 2013 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Anyone who doesn't post a gif is scum imo. ![[image loading]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/2225790_o.gif) oh WoS stop being so helpful you are drowning me in helpfulness omg stop plz | ||
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On May 13 2013 13:25 ObviousOne wrote: Yo DP You think I'm mafia. Find at least one of my scum partners please. Thanks Although I don't believe DP has properly articulated the reasons behind his scumread against you, this will never be a meaningful defense, and you should know that. Drawing associative cases between unflipped players is not even remotely helpful. Why would you ask him to do that? Or are you just asking him to give another scumread besides yourself? If _I_ was under attack for specious reasons I'd focus my efforts on A) shooting them down and B) pointing out that the guy is scum, or hunting scum who aren't him. At the very least, if I were going to criticize him, I'd do something like ask him to lay out specific reasons for his suspicions. If I were super lazy, I'd ignore him or call him bad (or both). Your response here is not reasonable/useful | ||
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On May 13 2013 13:33 ObviousOne wrote: BH that is clearly not what I asked him to do and you know that. I want another scum read from him I want him to be useful so I can shift tunnels somewhere else when I am satisfied he looks more townie than others. "another scum read" still not a meaningful thing, I address that in the seecond paragraph | ||
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Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong. | ||
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im not saying the other explanation doesn't have merit, i'm just saying you guys are wrong and i'm right until proven otherwise. default position is i'm right | ||
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OK real talk you can't go and say "that's s post s newbie would make" and also be like "also he has been worthless" and also be like "but let's not lynch him' WoS is no Marvellosity but hes no kushm4sta either. there's a pretty obvious explanation to his post there: blatant attempt to buddy me and hide in the shadow of my analysis. his isn't a post that helps town or hunts scum. he's just trying to blend in. there's an easy solution to that. ##vote WoS | ||
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On May 14 2013 02:59 HiroPro wrote: BH, do you actually believe that WaveofShadow is trying to blend in with his posts? Is there a reason that you haven't mentioned players like shirokami or prplhz? Obvious, point out exactly where I implied that mechanics are more important than behavioral analysis. I haven't made any such statement. Yeah in a sort of clever way I think he is. I'm going to mention something I did in The Game as scum, and before WoS cries "omg thats ur meta not mine" what i'm trying to point out here is that this is a viable scum move, not that WoS in particular has a meta of doing it. In The Game, I rolled scum. During Day 1, I make a scummy move by soft-defending Zarepath. My goal at the time was for him to get lynched, and for me to get town cred for defending him. I wanted to make it clear I was defending him but not actually derail the anti-Zarepath thread sentiment. I made this post to do that. Now, as I wrote the post I realized, "wow I'm pretty transparently scummy in this post, how do I fix that" and added a few lines to it: On March 17 2013 11:35 Blazinghand wrote: "oh bh are you soft defending zarepath" well admittedly yes, this is a soft defense. I don't have a townread on him. But he is playing recklessly and thoughtlessly, much like a poorly-thought-out town play. I can't let that lie. So basically, by straight-up admitting to doing something scummy, I made it appear not scummy for me to do so. I incorporate the natural objection any scumhunter would make to my soft defense into the post itself, naturally defusing that tension. Anyone who wants to say "Whoa, what is BH doing here? Why was he soft-defending zarepath, that's quite unlike him!" has been pre-emptively shut down by the fact that I straight-up admit to doing so. I don't actually give a reason why I do it, I don't actually have a justification or a defense for it-- but by saying "yes, I made this move" nobody can say "ah-ha! you made this move!" Taking a look at WoS's post we immediately see the same defusal of scummy behavior. And AGAIN, I'm not saying "oh this is BH's scum meta therefore WoS is scum", I'm just saying this is a classic scum move, I've used it, and I see it being used. On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that. I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end. This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo. Imagine he hadn't written that first line for a moment. You can be sure I'd instantly Dunk WoS for writing a post like this, which only reiterates what's already been said (especially by me) and agrees with it. He would be so dunked. In fact, if he had only written his first sentence, but not his second one, it's still almost certain I'd dunk on him. But take a look at his second sentence! Look at the doubt it plants in your heart. It makes him seem open and townie for a moment because it's like "oh, he's blandly sheeping BH but he's not sure what to make of that!" He's stating awareness of that fact, and thereby defusing the arguments against him. How much of my case against WoS seemed weak to you because of that second sentence? Now imagine you are WoS. OR rather, imagine you are in his position but are town instead of scum. You would DEFINITELY have an opinion on the fact that we are in agreement. If absolutely nothing else, if really nothing else at all, you'd try to interact with BH besides blandly sheeping him. You'd draw BH into a conversation and see if you agree on more things. You wouldn't ONLY rehash things BH has already said then be like "I guess we agree, not sure what to make of that" As town you are curious. you want to hunt scum. Simply agreeing with the best player in the game isn't good enough. To those of you out there who agreed with me on my nk analysis-- you didn't just think "herp derp I agree with BH" did you? You wanted more information. You wanted to interact with my thoughts to get a better read on me. You had a townie instinct-- and instinct WoS doesn't have. So, yes WoS was trying to blend in. He even wrote his post in a way that wouldn't spark more discussion with me. I'm just too sexy to be fooled by such things /Dunked | ||
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should have shot me when u hat thebchjqce nublet | ||
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i have seen prplhz be useful. Same with BM, in his own way. strong disgree with policy lynch of prplhz or BM mild categorical disagree with policy lynches in general | ||
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WoS for me is priority 1 and to be fair the day has just begun I can look more into OO who for me remains somewhat scum but this lynch on WoS is more important because... he is definitely scum | ||
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That being said, this tells me "worthless town" more than it tells me "scum" and if people read VA as scum they are doing it wrong. Scum doesn't use blatantly bad or wrong-headed analysis methods (necessarily). The fact that VA is trying to solve the game and work out who is scum based on the flips, as he said he would during N0, shows me he's at least trying to get something done. He has blatantly said he's not rereading filters and just reading the game as it develops. Is this a shit-bad way of playing? absolutely. But it's not a scummy way of playing. He's not trying to hide behind meanings, he's not trying to avoid taking stances, and although he's bad, he has the mindset of someone trying to work this game out. All this subject to change as the situation develops-- but I would not lynch him today. | ||
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On May 14 2013 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: BH let me get this straight; You want to lynch WoS for him straight up agreeing with you that scum killed DP, but not Vayne even when he did take a full 180 on flip analysis when you told him scum might have more than 1 KP? Almost! I want to lynch WoS for HOW he agreed with me that scum killed DP, and I want to not lynch vayne because HOW he did his 180 on flip analysis. Perhaps I didn't make this clear enough in my case: Whether someone buddies me, or whether someone disagrees with me, or whether someone derps or is wrong or is right, these are not how you catch scum. Scum can fake agreeing or disagreeing or being good or being bad as much as they want. A scum player could just bus all his buddies and pretend to be a master scumhunter, if all you look at is who he pushes and who he defends. I'm not saying this isn't useful information (since scum obviously don't want to bus) but this is only part of the picture. When you hunt scum, you need to pay attention to HOW people do things, and what they are thinking (or not thinking) when they do. WoS's post, imo, could not have come from a town mindset. I don't think he'd have written what he did the way he did if he really was town and was wondering why we were in agreement. Vayne, on the other hand, really just seems to be that wrongheaded, and although I don't think of him as captain mctown, i can see how from a town PoV Vayne has written what he has. This is how you hunt scum. | ||
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On February 13 2013 09:16 Blazinghand wrote: please stop, omg please stop you're being so helpful i'm being crushed by your helpfulness etc etc Clearly your goal is to paint me as scum rather than figure out if I am scum, because I literally make posts like this in every game. It's just what I do. I'm not saying the fact that I posted it makes me town, but it sure as hell don't make me scum. If you were really trying to get a meta read on me you'd know this. But that's not what you're doing. You're just trying to fling shit before you die. scum. | ||
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On May 14 2013 06:24 Vivax wrote: Telling your scumread to shut up and die isn't exactly the most productive way to head for a lynch BH. okay reasonable but look at what he posted! He's like "look at this, this is meta for BH being scum" and quoted a post I LITERALLY MAKE IN EVERY GAME. I do see how a town player could make a mistake like this, maybe he's just cornered and defensive. But really, what this says to me is that he's scum, and he's more interested in painting me as scum and defending himself than he is in hunting scum. If he was really town and thought he was getting mislynched, he wouldn't auto-think I was scum , he would evaluate evidence and a quote like that, which I make both as scum and as town, is not evidence I am scum. It's literally OMGUS. It's not an attempt to hunt scum, it's not an attempt to discern my alignment, it's an attempt to fling shit and try to cause collateral damage without giving up associative tells before he flips. I get that I'm a bit abrasive, but I'll tell you something else: I'm also right. and I calls em like I sees em /dunked | ||
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On May 14 2013 06:30 Vivax wrote: BH, from 1 to 10, how sure are you WoS is scum 10 it's basically impossible he's town | ||
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On May 14 2013 06:32 WaveofShadow wrote: I am neither cornered nor defensive. You will not be lynching me today.  You're STILL ignoring what I've asked you to look at you; you only pick out the part of my post that is easy for you to dump on. How is this town behvaiour? If you expect me not to try and turn it around on you, STOP ACTING LIKE SCUM. Rayn I think it's too early to lynch OO, he has decent potential and despite his trolly nature, he gets MUCH more useful later on in the game, much more so than prplhz. I'm a little surprised he hasn't done more yet but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. I'm not sure BH IS a better lynch; I'm trying to understand why he's acting this way but he refuses to acknowledge my questions of him and the fact that he is basing his entire read of me on one post---that is what makes him look scummy to me. I am certainly most comfortable with my vote on Oats right now due to his blatant flip on me without explanation. if you're not cornered or defensive how do you explain your lies about my meta? | ||
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On May 14 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote: And BH you don't literally make it in every game. I wasn't going to go back into every single game of yours to look for that post; I looked into the games we have played in together and the only one you posted that in was The Game in which you were scum. You did not post it in LX, where you were DT. Lazy, fine. Grasping, maybe and I will admit it was a weak point. But you sure do seem to be the one getting all riled up about this, not me. Ah, the scumsplanation emerges I don't even need to point out how scummy WoS is at this point, just read this paragraph and the previous posts he's made attacking my sterling credibility for no reason and tell me he's town, I dare you in fact, I might even say WoS has /dunked himself | ||
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On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote: I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business. ##Vote WoS I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here. | ||
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On May 14 2013 06:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Already did, bro. And I NEVER LIE. All I did was post something and ask if you recognized it. You ever wonder why waffling is considered scummy? Cause scum love to backtrack their statements when guys like me shoot spears of pure logic through their wispy posts | ||
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On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote: I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here. I'm about to step out, so let me make this clear for you Vivax when WoS flips scum, people will start saying "oh, who was scum with him?" and they're going to see you, who had zero interest in lynching him, voting him with no explanation at all after it's clear he's going to be lynched.If you're town you better man the hell up and analyze and stuff cause if you saw a guy doing what you are doing now, after the red flip you'd want to lynch him. You know this. Don't be that guy. Of course if you are scum I'm okay with you being that guy. Just saying man | ||
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I find it noteworthy that WoS's posts (at least at first) were trying to cause collateral damage rather than hunt scum. I believe it was Vivax(?) who pointed out that when WoS was close to death as town, he was accepting of it and tried to crank out as much analysis as he could. Where is that WoS, the town WoS? I admit that he has begun waffling on me instead of just blandly calling me scum, but I wouldn't count this as a legitimate point in his favor. I'm playing poorly, WoS? Everything I've done has been well-reasoned and thought out. If you think my thought process is flawed, that's fine-- show me where. If you think my prior assumptions or my observations are flawed, that's also fine-- show me where. As for statements that I'm being trolly and aggressive as I was in The Game as scum, I'm going to take a moment now to address those. First off, I am generally a wordy and much-posting aggressive player regardless of alignment. In The Game I used a lot of spam and insults to ruin the town atmosphere, and I understand that any aggression from me might be interpreted through that lens. That being said, aggression for me is a key method for how I hunt scum. Many players who have occupied observer QTs with me have noted that my ability to hunt scum from an Obs QT is really bad. Why is that? Well, a lot of how I play involves, yes, prodding people aggressively and gauging their responses. WoS responded to a push not with trying to figure out what's going on, or discern my alignment, and he definitely didn't respond until he was told to with trying to refine and post reads and help the town. He responded with OMGUS (that he backtracked when he realized it wasn't working), he responded with flames, he responded with general unhelpfulness and damage control for his potential associative tells. I'll admit, at the beginning of the push I was not 100% confident WoS was scum. Now? I am. /dunked | ||
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I would not policy Kush D1. | ||
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also, you're literally troling this game and not trying to solve it. It's not a damn meta case that you're being a useless omgusing flamer instead of helpful. | ||
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you can't just use a bunch of sarcasm and claim you've been helpful already then put together a post like this On May 15 2013 03:37 WaveofShadow wrote: @Rayn I like your play this game so much more than other games I've been in with you and it almost worries me. I don't think you could be anything but town atm though. What are your thoughts regarding VE and Oats' suspicion of him (dropped it once again after thinking he looked scummy without VE having posted anything in between). I like the case on Oats and since he still hasn't shown up to be useful like I want him to, I'm comfortable voting him. I'm less comfortable with the knowledge that there are scum on my wagon; the problem is I don't know which they are (not that anyone has listened to any push of mine thus far anyway). I'll hold off my change of vote for a little while though and give BH a sporting chance to try to cook up 5 more people (or however many it is with the Oats vote-stealing thing) since he doesn't seem to want to attempt anything other than be useless and tunnel me all day. If he can't get them soon I move my vote to OO and he'll have to find another person. CHALLENGE ON and say "yes i have been helping all along look at how helpful I am" come on man nobody's gonna fall for that | ||
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On May 15 2013 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Omg you two. BH the more this goes on the more I start to dubt my read of you. :/ Widen your gaze a little bit. Who else is scum? Who knows...maybe if so.eone agrees with ur further targets they'll be more inclined to vote with you today. OR maybe you'll find someone else is a better target. Like VayneAuthprity for instance. Your read of me is not relevant to whether or not WoS is scum. | ||
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I want better reasoning for allt hese not-WoS votes. That being said I understand there are other people to be talked about today, and so I will offer my thoughts on other players. | ||
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On May 15 2013 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote: See right now, there is literally nothing I could do to prove to BH I am town, which is what makes me angry. He's got the idea in his head, and anything I do and have done since then he is justifying as he pleases rather than look at it objectively. Once again I challenge the thread: how is this in any way good town play? This is literally not true. I mean, it woudl be difficult to prove you are town, but here's my advice, advice I typically follow if I am worried about getting mislynched: when you are under pressure and worried about getting lynched, hunt scum and find a better target than yourself. Not "OMGUS the best player in the game" or "flame and be wrothless" or "pretend to be mad" This is how I never get mislynched, I help the fuck out of town | ||
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On May 15 2013 04:19 VayneAuthority wrote: obviously there's no one way to know somebody is mafia or this game would be boring, not all mad people are innocent so you have to use your intuition at that point. If he flips mafia I look really bad at this point and hes scheduled to be lynched, so think about that for later when deciding on my alignment. Would I really stick myself out this far and look bad on either flip for WoS if I was mafia? Now THAT makes no sense at all. I'm not saying you're mafia dude, chillax. I'll make a more serious read and case against you. When I call you mafia you know i'm calling you mafia. Why so paranoid? I'm just saying you need better reasoning than what you got to not lynch WoS. Anyone can fake being mad. | ||
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On May 15 2013 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Why do you keep drawing me back into these arguments wit you if you're going to attempt to be useful? At least I'm trying to hold conversations with other people about different fucking topics. Holy shit dude, I wish there was an ignore function so I could actually play this game properly instead of being baited by you. I'm not "baiting" you i'm freaking making good cases against you. look, I understand we've been a bit antagonistic with each other but that's not a reason to be like "I'm going to ignore BH" Until I see what I view as legitimate progress towards appearing town from you, I will criticize your play. That's just how it is. Ask some dudes in your QT what to do, they may have some advice. If you want to tlak to me about another topic i'll be glad to continue to point out awesome useful points which nobody but e would ever think of until then youre ability to be useful is limited, probably by choice | ||
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On May 15 2013 00:58 WaveofShadow wrote: That's what I figured the reason was but I wanted to hear you explain it. I guess I don't but much faith in 'townslips' as other people do because assumptions like that don;t seem to do me any good. Now as far as my problems with Oats being scum: 1) It's basically impossible for Oats and BH to both be scum given their voting. It is possible I suppose for them both to be town. I find both to have done scummy things (whether you think it's OMGUS or not) so I am struggling with this given their behaviour. 2) Oats pickup of Vivax's mistake. This is WIFOM but thinking about it now the mistake was glaringly obvious so maybe a towncred grab rather than town analysis of case? 3) The scumread of VE---I share his problem with VE's lack of activity yet I also know that scum know people will call VE out on this as they do every game. (people know lazy VE = scum VE) I can't figure out if the town side or scum side of these things is more likely or not. The rest of his play looks scummy to me, especially the quick flip-flop vote only adding rationale later. This is similat to what BH and Vivax have done regarding voting me except they actually put effort into trying to cook up their post-hoc rationale. I don't see any correlation between Oats and my voting, but I don't like that Oats just sheeped me on the DP claim = null statement, or rather that he made an identical statement without giving me the cred I deserve for being a good thinker. The assumption of a vigi shot, btw, shoudl not be considered a "townslip" I get why people would think that, but consider that mafia are aware that the number of mafia shots is not disclosed in the setup. I will say this though, he was one of the people who turned me on to your weird post that you and I are on the same wavelength. Whatever the case, he at the very least is looking for weird things and trying to hunt scum. Ultimately I am going to say "scummy" for now because the townslip is the kind of thing mafia would fake and he's been sheeping me a lot. That being said, when you flip scum I'm going to be more charitable regarding oats' alignment since it wouldn't make sense for Oats to bus you | ||
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On May 15 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's start with this. Oats says prplhz is pushing for hiro lynch, and at the same time chaoser is not pushing any lynch. If Oats prplhz' posts about hiro is pushing his lynch, chaoser should definitely be pushing my lynch. Oats, explain. Why is prplhz pushing a lynch but chaoser is not? /dunked | ||
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OO was small info hunch WoS high prio case | ||
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your attempted to distance before death is noted though. | ||
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On May 15 2013 05:19 grush57 wrote: BH isn't WoS putting in a lot of effort for a supposed scum player? you have a funny idea of how scum is properly played | ||
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On May 15 2013 05:24 grush57 wrote: Yea but you're just tunneling him with bad reasons. However no one else has a better option and d1 sucks so thats why so many votes are on WoS. if my reasons are bad please explain why like shit man what have you done today ohr ight you have like 3 pots On May 15 2013 05:24 grush57 wrote: Yes but you never claimed abyssal passion. You jokingly said starsenses. Scum claim? oh good thing grush is here to find good reasons someone vig this kid he's worthless as town and a menace as scum, always makes it to lylo and fucks us | ||
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that was sarcasm by me | ||
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just internet u kno gotta b cler | ||
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On May 15 2013 05:29 grush57 wrote: that you meant that btw not that I reason bad. And it wasn't just him giving effort, He seemed townie and gave good defenses, your just tunneling him like usual, FIREY HANDS OF BLAZING! u can't just say "he seemed townie"... y town read give specifics / supporting detail plz | ||
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##unvote ##vote OO "oh but bh isn't wos 100% scum" FYC SDFDASDFSA fine actually no not fine nobody does what OO does without getting lynched | ||
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On May 15 2013 06:44 WaveofShadow wrote: lol we're not lynching OO today either, and if we do it certainly won't be because of you. I miss Prom. that's true, if we lynch OO and he flips town we lose a valuable player oh wait no that's literlaly false also there is no way this kind of play should ever be allowed by anyone, martyring is something anyone can do and if we refuse to lynch people for it we will never catch any scum and games will become shitfests populated by poop creatures and turdposts | ||
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On May 15 2013 10:01 Promethelax wrote: oh thank fuck, BH, VE and me all here at once finally. (RoL would kill himself) After The Game I'm sure he already has | ||
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On May 15 2013 10:04 Promethelax wrote: lol. So BH, do you think OO is scum or is your vote pure policy? yes and yes | ||
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On May 15 2013 10:16 Promethelax wrote: succinct as always my friend. Do you plan on lynching WoS tomorrow no matter the OO flip or will his flip influence your reads? VE: thanks, I look forward to it. I too have that problem with a lot of the newer players, having coached them/talked to them on skype frequently it makes it hard to be impartial. Doesn't help that OO looks exactly like my little cousin. I don't think the OO flip will influence my reads either way. I don't have any association between him and WoS or any anti-association or anything, and tbh even if I did that wouldn't be big enough to sway me either way. I get that OO is making some semi-legit attempts to appear helpful in his final hours here, but (and don't get a big head here WoS) I have had more constructive dialogue with WoS than OO. We lose nothing by lynching OO and have everything to gain. That being said, I have this niggling feeling that OO might flip town, in which case people will be on my ass after with flip WoS tomorrow and he flips scum, since I delayed the WoS flip by a day. Hell, if by some ridiculous circumstance (and this is just for the point of argument) WoS flips town after tomorrow's lynch, I *still* look bad since I'm delaying my "reckoning" by a day. I get that I'm spending all my towncred and goodwill by flipping OO today rather than tomorrow, but it's still the optimal move. I'm sure I will analyze and catch scum and people won't mind that I'm doing this. Over the course of the game, I will be acquitted. But this lynch is necessary. | ||
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On May 15 2013 10:25 WaveofShadow wrote: So....many...things....want to post.....must not derail....consolidation...... Yes, I get it, all my towncred is gone after you flip scum if OO flips town. Yes, everyone will claimed I delayed scumlynch for a day. I'll get by okay though. Your vote for OO is more troubling to me than anything else you've said or done. Why are you bussing him? | ||
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On May 15 2013 11:52 ObviousOne wrote: Vote for Vayne! He literally claimed scum in his back and forth with Prome. If you disagree say why, and then vote Hiro or me or WoS or anyone really just take a stance cause I want to have something to analyze tonight. Stances people. Take them. Only mafia has any reason to have no strong opinions. Are you mafia? Then have no strong opinions so we can lynch you tomorrow. Okay, I'm really dumb and can't find him literally claiming scum. Do you mean he literally figuratively claimed scum, or did he actually literally claim scum? Like are you talking about (this post) or what | ||
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On May 15 2013 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Because you feel the need to torture yourself. Can we please consolidate on WoS or Hiro please? Prefer Hiro at this point. OO totes town. will eat and read hiro's filter. then comment and consolidate, preferably (at this point) onto OO or WoS | ||
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On May 15 2013 12:22 ObviousOne wrote: Hey when this is over let's see who lynched on policy. Policy is pretty easy way out of taking responsibility for your lynch. Keep that in mind in case it's me. I take full responsibility for your lynch. Everyone else who votes you does as well. We are justice and you shall be struck down as the martyring scum you are | ||
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On May 16 2013 04:57 strongandbig wrote: ve is a really inconsistent player, sometimes he's really good and sometimes he isn't. but he's not one of those consistently really good players we can't all be blazinghand | ||
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has to do with how lynched turned out, basically if there were any scum NOT on OO why weren't they when we were one vote from lynching him? they wanted us chasing own tails for +1 day bh out /dunked | ||
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but yeah looks straightforwards to me, vivax shot vayne, scum shot rayn and sniped vivax. at least the guy got a bullet off before he died so I see no reason not to ##vote obviousone | ||
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On May 16 2013 15:05 WaveofShadow wrote: No kill on Prom/BH worries me. The Vivax shot was honestly smart; the guy seems to pick up a strong blue role every game and every game he gets sniped for it. I can't say it was an attempt to frame me either since BH is still alive as well; despite the fact that he dropped me as prime target yesterday he was making it fairly clear he still wanted me dead. Rayn shot was obvious as well. I've already been called out for this, but the fact that Prom and BH are both still alive and both were the primary proponents of me being scum yesterday means one of them must be scum imo. I am aware the Prom never attempted to push me beyond his initial case/suspicion but it fits with what I'm thinking. I'll attempt to build on this as the day progresses but it really doesn't feel good to me at all. so what you're saying is, since prom didn't push you, and i was the one who really pushed you, one of BH and BH must be scum Now i'm replying to you not for your sake, since you're almost certainly scum, but just to lay it clear for everyone else: it's utterly unreasonable to think i'm scum for that reason., because man my head is spinning like, scum would shoot me for pushing one of their scumbuddies, WoS, that's the theory right? Like, WoS is saying "If BH is so onto me, and so pushing me, why didn't my scumbuddies just shoot BH? clearly BH is scum!" but like this would require both woS and me to be scum, and for wow i literally have a headache look, WoS's logic, that scum would shoot to protect him from me because i was onto him, and didn't, therefore i'm scum, literally only makes sense if WoS is scum, but then it doesn't make sense because why would I push a scumbuddy so hard D1 i'm dizzy i need to lie down fuck | ||
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On May 16 2013 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote: K wait, I actually think I understand what you're trying to write here. Did you write this post from the perspective that I am outed scum and trying to tell a town that knows I'm scum that you're scum? That's..... This takes the cake for the most retarded thing I have ever read in mafia. see now we're on the same page for how we feel about your post | ||
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On May 16 2013 15:22 WaveofShadow wrote: LOL. So you appear to understand it here but not my earlier post where I am alluding to the same thing? WTF BH. well there you explain it super clearly "BH is scum because he is pushing me, omgus huehuehue" vs "some weird shit about nks, i am scum so bh is scum because... yeah" | ||
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and i'm like the #1 guy getting OO lynched, it's people like all people who didn't vote OO due to like badness and stuff that are the reason he didn't getl ynched | ||
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If OO was town I don't see why a scum player wouldn't have hammmered him apart from literally not being able to do so. OO is scum. | ||
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On May 17 2013 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: VE I dont see a situation where scum wouldve 100% hammered OO yesterday. I dont. It allows the scum players to come out pushing OO like 'he must be scum or else scum wouldve hammered'. Yeah. I dont think VE's reads are horrible, and him calling OO scum is horrific. horrifically scummy. so why are you voting VE and not me | ||
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On May 17 2013 10:33 ObviousOne wrote: Please hide more information while you refuse to vote for scum. Please. It's helping me decide which of you or BH is scum. Stop being so helpful. Stop it. Stop. Oh wait. i'm serious though, what part of the reasoning that makes VE scum doesn't apply to me? Why are you on him and not me? | ||
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On May 17 2013 10:43 ObviousOne wrote: You or wave is scum. Not both. I choose wave. His ambivalence here halfway through the day is strengthening my feelings. You being wrong about me does not make you wrong about him. okay, that's reasonable. I'm willing to lynch WoS first and you second if people are unwilling to lynch you. I have a question for Oatsmaster. You're voting for VE for the following reasons: On May 17 2013 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont see a situation where scum wouldve 100% hammered OO yesterday. I dont. It allows the scum players to come out pushing OO like 'he must be scum or else scum wouldve hammered'. Yeah. I dont think VE's reads are horrible, and him calling OO scum is horrific. horrifically scummy. but as far as I can tell these are all reasons to vote me, as well. After all, I'm one of the two votes on the OO wagon. | ||
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here's the question. Why not me? | ||
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Anyone who makes case against kush that does not include a cop claim or a meta component, I will immediately vote you. | ||
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On May 17 2013 18:33 prplhz wrote: Okay I really want to lynch kushm4sta. The guy hasn't notably pushed anything hard this game. He's fine being lurkish and just poking in here and there. I don't really find that to be scummy in itself but it's not a town tell either. What my problem with kusm4sta is is how he's focused on himself and how he himself appears and not about other people. This is especially prevalent in his early game with posts like this and this and this. Those posts have only one purpose: showing people that he doesn't care about how he appears, but by being so blatant about it becomes apparent that he very much cares about how he appears to other players. Contrast his early posts from Dessert Mini Mafia where he was town. In this post which is one of his very first he comes out pretty strong with a "I'm going to tell you a scum read in a second", there's no focus on how he appears but focus only on contributing. Read for yourself, the filters are pretty short: Dessert Mini Mafia This game I also find this post very off. First of all he is promising us something very insubstantial: "more activity", it's really hard to hold people up on that. He's also promising it to us "second half of the game" but when is that? This game could end in a few days or it could drag on until 3 players left. He's promising us nothing and at a time no townie knows when is. I imagine townies who were busy would say "I am busy this weekend, will post something after" or something like that, not say "I am busy for the first half of the game"?! And then look at his latest post: First kushm4sta says that WaveofShadow spams as scum but he has absolutely no way to know this as WaveofShadow has never been scum. He is literally making things up here and there is NO townie motivation for this. His response also seems really nervous in that he makes a weird jokish comment on it like it means nothing when WaveofShadow has actually caught him in a direct lie that no townie would ever make. Would you as town ever say that someone is acting like last time he was scum, when he has never rolled scum before? He also says it in a weirdly reassuring manner "Don't worry guys, just lynch him". Anyway, lets lynch kushm4sta. ##Vote kushm4sta Although you've noted a small thing that he did in one game as town that he's not doing this game, you have failed horribly at meta because you haven't shown that it's something kush does as scum. Meta cases can't just be "I usually see him do this as town and he's not", it has to be "He does X as town and Y as scum, and this game he is doing Y". This is because people's play varies from game to game even within their alignment. People are busier or more or less active or just have good or bad analysis games. Kush hasn't written as much about others as he has in one or two town games. So what?! Show me where he does this as scum OR tell me you have a red check on him OR tell me this is a policy lynch. Until then I will not unvote ##unvote ##vote prplhz | ||
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On May 18 2013 00:34 prplhz wrote: LOL are you kidding me? This isn't a meta case, this is me saying that kushm4sta's early game doesn't look like his town game and contains general traits that are indisputably scummy AND he has been caught in a straight up lie that no townie would ever do. No I'm not going to make this into a pure meta case because you vote me. Jesus christ. Seriously look at it: "Kush hasn't written as much about others as he has in one or two town games. So what?!" So what?! So that's a pretty good sign that something might be up. Can anybody tell BlazingHand that he's being completely ludicrous. you clearly don't understnad hwat i'm tlaking about and haven't been reading the thread. You say he's indisputably scummy and has been lying like no townie would ever do but that straight up is NOT GOOD ENOUG. literally every game this happens with kush. he plays like scum, people say "herp depr kush is scum" and then lynch him and he flips town. Unless you show me he's doing something he does as scum, you are bad. every game kush plays he is objectivly scummy. you need to do better. You need a check, a policy lynch, or a LEGIT meta case, or you're clearly scum looking for low hanging fruit of kush mislynch or town who's so bad he can't be allowed to live | ||
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On May 18 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Wat. BH are you just trying to fuck with the whole thread all game? Because if so tell me that's not your scumplay. dude ok look at prplhz case against kush and TELL ME PRPLHZ IS TOWN i dare you | ||
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On May 18 2013 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote Talk to me about prplhz BH. ok so there's two big things about prplhz, but only one that I consider seriously a thing I'm lynching him for. First, and this is the important one, prplhz is pushing a lynch on kush that he MUST know is bad. he has stated repeatedly that he thinks kush is objectively scummy, but refuses to give a complete meta read on him. If presented with evidence that kush is ALWAYS objectively scummy, reasonably you'd back off, make a meta read, claim a red check, or state you want to lynch him for policy reasons. If you don't do any of these, you haven't actually demonstrated that kush is scum and not town. If you're not interested in doing any of these, then you are not interested in finding out if kush is scum or not. Basically, prplhz wants to lynch kush. Why? Well, prplhz claims it's because he thinks kush is scummy, but it's completely clear that nothing kush is doing this game is scummier than normal kush play. Prplhz says "well, he's more self-focused this game!" but doesn't give the evidence to show this as a legitimate meta read. He doesn't even say he wants to policy lynch kush. Why is he voting kush? Because he doesn't want to take part in the serious discourse/wagons (OO, WoS, and for some reason VE and HiroPro) and by voting kush he looks like he's doing something. It's completely clear what's going on here-- prplhz is opting out of the town discourse by voting kush. | ||
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On May 18 2013 07:31 strongandbig wrote: this case is terrible. your case against prp boils down to "prp looks bad and his cases are bad! He's saying we should lynch kush because he looks bad but he always looks bad!" BUT BH GUESS WHAT PRP ALWAYS LOOKS BAD AND HIS CASES ARE FREQUENTLY BAD OMG ITS LIKE YOU ARE MAKING A CASE ON YOURSELF! this whole thing is stupid. man up and vote for someone who is scum for actual *reasons* ! Check my filter, I go through a lot of them in a post I made. Or check VE, prome, and sloosh's posts about him. NO YOU ARE MAKING A CAS EON YOURSELF look at yoru freaking kush case look at it and tell me it's legit at all | ||
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On May 18 2013 08:23 kushm4sta wrote: neither bh's case on prpl nor prpl's case on me are legit but my case on prpl is legit becaues his case on you isn't legit | ||
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On May 18 2013 08:26 kushm4sta wrote: @BH town thinks i am scum ALL THE TIME. So this is probably a case of town thinking I am scum. @VE cool story bro cry more. Reading filters now because no one has made a case worthy of sheeping. yeah but i have explicitly pointed out to prplhz why he shouldn't think you're scum and he STILL THINKS IT like wtf | ||
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On May 18 2013 09:41 kushm4sta wrote: just because someone's case is bad doesn't make them scum. Also scum really have no reason to fabricate a case against me at this time. ok but heres the thing i pointed out how his case was bad BEFORE HE EVEN MADEI T. I said anyone who makes case vs kush without elgit meta or red check or policy is not doing it right. it's super clear. I told him why and he denies it, and also doesn't make meta. he's obviously trawling for a mislynch. for chrissake do you really think he's town? | ||
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HES ON HIS DUMB WAGON OF ONE THAT MAKES NO SENSE | ||
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On May 18 2013 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: I have reasoning. Again, you're just trying to discredit what I'm saying by saying it doesn't exist. This is EXACTLY the same shit you pulled in The Game, and it's TIRED FUCKING BULLSHIT BH. ok, just link me your amazing reasoning, the reasoning you keep on not linking me to | ||
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well, my dota game is done so I can offer some help and stuff. I'm at L-1 I see and I get it, i'm gonna get mislynched for the first time in a over a year today. All I ask is don't hammer me for an hour or two so I can post some reads before I do so | ||
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On May 18 2013 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I guess that makes me a scum player right BH? Or no? See you didn't really say one way or the other so it's kinda ambiguous when you say it like that, huh? still not linking it! | ||
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but i didn't cause I didn't think hiropro was scum. If I were sucm surely i'd see what a bad situation this is and at least try to take one townie with me. it's not WIFOM, it's WTHTD | ||
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On May 25 2013 08:36 kushm4sta wrote: i know for a fact that BH balances his teams. I don't know why you keep on saying this, but I really RNG my teams. People complain about it a lot. E: good work scumteam! special thanks to Ace for a sweet game and thoughtful notes. | ||
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