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On May 15 2013 10:53 Promethelax wrote:
Hiro, I appreciate your defense but I honestly don't care about it. if you think your accuser is town what do you gain by taking three paragraphs to tell me he is a lazy idiot?
Let it go and tell me about your scum reads. Why OO? Why a NL over OO?
because there are actually people who want to lynch me?
I've already explained exactly why I want to lynch obvious if you read my filter. I never said that I favored a no-lynch over lynching obvious, i said that i would rather no lynch than lynch vayne or waveofshadow.
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On May 15 2013 09:09 Promethelax wrote:
Kinda case thing on OO (fuck you VE, I hate writing cases):
1. Early defensiveness brought up by DP (not a thing I think is a huge tell but it is different from his usual town game)
2. Eagerly explains a reason for the nightkill which no one had thought of in thread previously (I think this is a strong tell, others clearly disagree with me, Chaoser in particular)
3. Martyring and promises for future contribution at the same time (Martyring is policy lynch. Martyrig while saying "if you leave me alive I'll be useful I promise" is a scum tell since he is begging to be left alive his martyring is false. False martyring comes from scum).
My only major problem with my lynch on him is actually the wagon which has formed behind me. Hiro's vote felt eh and Rayn's only felt a little better. BH is only there for policy. The discussion has all been around WoS/Oats and I was waiting for him to come back to the thread for me to really push him since pushing afk players is both boring and somewhat useless. We have four hours though, lets discuss him now.
1) This is something I'd missed reading over him earlier. I agree that it isn't much, but yeah as town I'd expect less defensiveness from OO in this scenario. I didn't see it so much as defensive at the time, but looking back it could be.
2) I'm with chaoser on this one. "Eagerly" is your subjective opinion of the post, and whether it's true or not, him speculating about the NK isn't a scumtell imo. It's null at best - actually I'd take it more as a towntell than anything because scum KNOW what happened at night. Talking about it right out of the gates is just like...asking to be looked at. So yeah, on this point we disagree.
3) At first I disagreed with this point as well as I said - but you're right in that while he was asking for death, he jumped at the opportunity to live (a la "VE cases Vayne"). I can see scum motivation for this action, while trying to see it from a townie perspective forces me to assume that OO is bad, which I have all but ruled out at this juncture. OO is NOT bad.
Added from my own observations:
HARD defending DP's miller claim decision as a townie action DIRECTLY flowing into having a strong scumread of DP seems contradictory to me considering DP's flip. If townie, if he honestly thought it was the best move for townDP to claim miller, I can't see him flipping his read of DP so suddenly and based on so little. It makes sense from a scum perspective considering the heat DP was garnering though, with the very real possibility of a DP lynch, and this further synergizes with the DP kill if OO is scum - DP had flipped town sentiment around and he was viewed as most likely town by several players. I DP lynch looked less likely toward the end of N0. In this vein, the following quote looks especially bad.
On May 13 2013 08:14 ObviousOne wrote:
VE what do you make of me being strongly in favor of lynching DP if he doesn't die tonight? Same question at you BH.
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What's wrong with wanting DP vigged?
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On May 15 2013 11:05 ObviousOne wrote:
What's wrong with wanting DP vigged?
Nothing - I'm just saying that taken with the fact that he actually died it looks bad.
Like "Oh look! A vig listened to me after all, but DANG he was town. Whoopsiedaisy, oh well at least we know it was a vig and not scum right? Right guys?"
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The fact that nobody wasted any night actions on him (other than mafia I guess?) just means that I was wrong about him being mafia. Did you disagree that without his miller claim he looked scummy? That was the idea I was pushing.
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On May 15 2013 11:08 ObviousOne wrote:
The fact that nobody wasted any night actions on him (other than mafia I guess?) just means that I was wrong about him being mafia. Did you disagree that without his miller claim he looked scummy? That was the idea I was pushing.
Without his miller claim? That was basically the only thing that went on with him the whole night, wasn't it?
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On May 15 2013 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 11:08 ObviousOne wrote:
The fact that nobody wasted any night actions on him (other than mafia I guess?) just means that I was wrong about him being mafia. Did you disagree that without his miller claim he looked scummy? That was the idea I was pushing. Without his miller claim? That was basically the only thing that went on with him the whole night, wasn't it?
He had a back and forth with OO too that was the basis of OO's scumread of him.
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:/
Like, okay let's take a step back. Where did Oats go? Didn't he like, just wake up and make his presence known?
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Also where are players like slOosh, chaoser and Vivax during all this?
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Alright I'm up to talk about Oats.
Are we excusing his play because 'oh that's just what Oats does?'
His 180ing and shit like this?
On May 14 2013 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
and yes, I am fishing for blues. Oh noes. so horrible.
Asking me to claim at something like L-5 and pre-empting people calling him out for it. The assumed guilty is scummy as all hell.
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On May 15 2013 11:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Alright I'm up to talk about Oats. Are we excusing his play because 'oh that's just what Oats does?' His 180ing and shit like this? Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
and yes, I am fishing for blues. Oh noes. so horrible. Asking me to claim at something like L-5 and pre-empting people calling him out for it. The assumed guilty is scummy as all hell.
why is this scummy?
Also I do this shit in all my games. So no its not a scumtell for me.
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On May 15 2013 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
:/
Like, okay let's take a step back. Where did Oats go? Didn't he like, just wake up and make his presence known?
I went to eat, Im in class so not consistently online. Anything in specific you wanted to talk about?
I wanna lynch WoS and Hiro at this point.
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Yeah sure - why are you poopooing the two feasible lynch candidates but doing nothing to get your preferences lynched? Wave is in here dude, he's going over people in depth and showing his work. You've got a long road to hoe if you're planning on getting Wave lynched before you I'm afraid because I'll fight it...I've been fighting BH on it for the whole cycle. If you want to lynch Hiro, you should try and maybe convince others of that. Not just disappear only to resurface when you're summoned. That isn't convincing anyone of anything except that you're scum.
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On May 15 2013 11:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah sure - why are you poopooing the two feasible lynch candidates but doing nothing to get your preferences lynched? Wave is in here dude, he's going over people in depth and showing his work. You've got a long road to hoe if you're planning on getting Wave lynched before you I'm afraid because I'll fight it...I've been fighting BH on it for the whole cycle. If you want to lynch Hiro, you should try and maybe convince others of that. Not just disappear only to resurface when you're summoned. That isn't convincing anyone of anything except that you're scum.
???
I dont want to pressure them cause its like 1.30 hours to lynch and everyone has disappeared  .
What in the whole wide world makes me scum?
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GUYS LYNCH HIRO CAUSE HE IS A WHINY SCUM PLAYER AND GIVES NO FUCKS ABOUT LYNCHING HIS TARGET, OO. AND WANTS A NO LYNCH.
am I doing this right VE?
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On May 15 2013 11:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
GUYS LYNCH HIRO CAUSE HE IS A WHINY SCUM PLAYER AND GIVES NO FUCKS ABOUT LYNCHING HIS TARGET, OO. AND WANTS A NO LYNCH.
am I doing this right VE?
That's better, but can you hold the indignation?
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On May 15 2013 11:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 11:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
GUYS LYNCH HIRO CAUSE HE IS A WHINY SCUM PLAYER AND GIVES NO FUCKS ABOUT LYNCHING HIS TARGET, OO. AND WANTS A NO LYNCH.
am I doing this right VE? That's better, but can you hold the indignation?
Hiropro. hmm. A player that seems to have deepset anger towards prp for what seems to be no reason. His longest post in the game is shitting on prp. A pacifist though, he doesnt want to lynch anyone today that isnt OO. A shame, looks like he doesnt want to suspiciously 180 out of that. I say that he might be scum.
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Vote for Vayne!
He literally claimed scum in his back and forth with Prome.
If you disagree say why, and then vote Hiro or me or WoS or anyone really just take a stance cause I want to have something to analyze tonight.
Stances people. Take them. Only mafia has any reason to have no strong opinions. Are you mafia? Then have no strong opinions so we can lynch you tomorrow.
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